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6 minutes ago, er_gaming01 said:

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I've tried to overclock my Ryzen 1700 to 3.8 Ghz but just doesn't want to stay stable with low voltage... My current voltage is 1.3875v, LLC Level 2, SOC 1.16v on my B350M Mortar. The lowest I can go on 3.7Ghz is 1.3v without crashing (30min aida stress test). I've read that others have gotten 1.3v with 3.8Ghz. Either it's my motherboard or I just lost the silicon lottery... 3.9Ghz wasnt stable on 1.45v. My ram is at 3466Mhz(2133 when overclocking). I have the latest BIOS 1.5 and used previous beta BIOS and still the same. 

 

Thanks in advanced! 

LLC should be set to 1, SOC to 1.2V, DRAM to 1,35-1,5V and kept at 2400Mhz max. For CPU voltage, try 1,375.

 

If it doesn't give you any benefit, you simply got a """"bad"""" chip.

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Hi! 

I've tried to overclock my Ryzen 1700 to 3.8 Ghz but just doesn't want to stay stable with low voltage... My current voltage is 1.3875v, LLC Level 2, SOC 1.16v on my B350M Mortar. The lowest I can go on 3.7Ghz is 1.3v without crashing (30min aida stress test). I've read that others have gotten 1.3v with 3.8Ghz. Either it's my motherboard or I just lost the silicon lottery... 3.9Ghz wasnt stable on 1.45v. My ram is at 3466Mhz(2133 when overclocking). I have the latest BIOS 1.5 and used previous beta BIOS and still the same. 

 

Thanks in advanced! 

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What cooler are you using 

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I has a 6700k for a while, I got stuck at 4.3ghz stock voltage and assumed it was terrible.

 

Changed the cooler from an h60 to an H80i and I hit 4.6ghz EASY. 

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try with BIOS 1.4, I had OC problems with 1.5 and had to move back.

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Lot of things can come into play for one his VRM temps could be jumping above 90C and the board might be shutting off as the B350 boards don't have the best VRM. Two if he is on the stock cooler pushing anything higher then 1.25V is going to push temps. 

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6 minutes ago, er_gaming01 said:

Hi! 

I've tried to overclock my Ryzen 1700 to 3.8 Ghz but just doesn't want to stay stable with low voltage... My current voltage is 1.3875v, LLC Level 2, SOC 1.16v on my B350M Mortar. The lowest I can go on 3.7Ghz is 1.3v without crashing (30min aida stress test). I've read that others have gotten 1.3v with 3.8Ghz. Either it's my motherboard or I just lost the silicon lottery... 3.9Ghz wasnt stable on 1.45v. My ram is at 3466Mhz(2133 when overclocking). I have the latest BIOS 1.5 and used previous beta BIOS and still the same. 

 

Thanks in advanced! 

LLC should be set to 1, SOC to 1.2V, DRAM to 1,35-1,5V and kept at 2400Mhz max. For CPU voltage, try 1,375.

 

If it doesn't give you any benefit, you simply got a """"bad"""" chip.

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13 minutes ago, CUDA_Cores said:

You lost the silicon lottery. Same thing happened with my i7-5820K. I could only get the thing to 4.2GHz at 1.3v. I gave up and went back to stock. 

Eh 1.3V with 4.2 ghz should be a lot better then stock. my 5930k can go 4.6 ghz at 1.35V but it goes up to 85 degrees on a 360MM radiator, so generally i stick with 4.4ghz or 4.3 ghz at 1.3V depending on whats more stable, most of the time 4.4 is stable, renders and programs run fine, with the occasional Blue screen or restart.

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If you're using the stock cooler that's not too bad...

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16 minutes ago, ErrantNyles said:

LLC should be set to 1, SOC to 1.2V, DRAM to 1,35-1,5V and kept at 2400Mhz max. For CPU voltage, try 1,375.

 

If it doesn't give you any benefit, you simply got a """"bad"""" chip.

No. 1.2v soc is the absolute max for ambient cooling and will only help if the memory is unstable. This is bad advice 

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24 minutes ago, Jumper118 said:

No. 1.2v soc is the absolute max for ambient cooling and will only help if the memory is unstable. This is bad advice 

You kidding, right? You can go a 30 or even 50% higher than what I said on the SOC without issues.

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52 minutes ago, ErrantNyles said:

LLC should be set to 1, SOC to 1.2V, DRAM to 1,35-1,5V and kept at 2400Mhz max. For CPU voltage, try 1,375.

 

If it doesn't give you any benefit, you simply got a """"bad"""" chip.

35 minutes ago, Jumper118 said:

No. 1.2v soc is the absolute max for ambient cooling and will only help if the memory is unstable. This is bad advice 

10 minutes ago, ErrantNyles said:

You kidding, right? You can go a 30 or even 50% higher than what I said on the SOC without issues.

 

2400 MHz on the memory max?  It is very common knowledge that Ryzen performance scales nicely with RAM overclocks and you're basically telling him to do the very thing that will cripple his CPU's performance.  

 

Additionally, how are you able to determine the appropriate LLC without knowing his workloads or conditions?

 

Lastly, @Jumper118 is very well known with regards to overclocking AMD and Ryzen chips.  I'm pretty sure he wasn't "kidding".

 

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I just had a go OCing my 1700 today. I was running Prime95 29.1 64k FFT as a continuous stress. 3800 MHz crashed at 1.3v set 1.231v measured. It seemed ok at 1.4v set 1.319v measured, and that voltage went on to 3850. With load line tinkering, I got to 3925 with 1.4v set 1.381v measured. This is cooled with a Corsair H110i GTX and temps at 3925 peaked around 84C. This seems comparable to OP's result, without knowing how much voltage droop there was.

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1 hour ago, Jumper118 said:

No. 1.2v soc is the absolute max for ambient cooling and will only help if the memory is unstable. This is bad advice 

Can I go above 1.2 with a h110 on my 1700 ?

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25 minutes ago, porina said:

I just had a go OCing my 1700 today. I was running Prime95 29.1 64k FFT as a continuous stress. 3800 MHz crashed at 1.3v set 1.231v measured. It seemed ok at 1.4v set 1.319v measured, and that voltage went on to 3850. With load line tinkering, I got to 3925 with 1.4v set 1.381v measured. This is cooled with a Corsair H110i GTX and temps at 3925 peaked around 84C. This seems comparable to OP's result, without knowing how much voltage droop there was.

Erm thoes temps are crazy I do t go over 55 ever at 1.42v 4ghz

also up your llc to stop the droop it will yield lower idle voltages

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The vrms are at 108c while stressed intensely

Is that hot for vrms ? 

Everything Iv measured on my system is under 55 on hwm64

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On tuesday I'll try my CPU on my brother's motherboard. Strix b350

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5 minutes ago, jjohnthedon1 said:

Is that hot for vrms ? 

Everything Iv measured on my system is under 55 on hwm64

They should be able to handle 130

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1 hour ago, ErrantNyles said:

You kidding, right? You can go a 30 or even 50% higher than what I said on the SOC without issues.

Feel free to provide the sources to those claims. Unless AMD themselves (or at the very least, a board partner) made the claim, it's simply not true. You also can't use the whole "well, i've done it and i'm fine" response, as Ryzen is still far too young to consider those values "safe". 

 

You were completely wrong with "2400mhz max" memory, as Ryzen would benefit far more from a memory overclock than what it would from an extra 100mhz core clock anyways. Certainly not the best advice I've seen today.

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29 minutes ago, er_gaming01 said:

The vrms are at 108c while stressed intensely

That's mega. Sure they're stressed but 108C is nuts. Feel like your board is a factor here too. VRM is too hot and might be a bit unstable. 

 

That or AMD is binning the CPUs properly. A 1700X should clock better than your 1700. With the 1800X the CPU to push 4GHz and slightly beyond. So, if you really want all the clock, you'll need an 'X' part. In theory anyway. 

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Unfortunately, thanks to MSI's AM4 design trend, I think I'd lean more toward this being a board problem since you seem pretty covered for cooling. They didn't do great with VRM design on their higher-end boards, so I wouldn't put too much faith in the B350 Mortar, seeing as it's a 4+2 phase. That should be totally cool for normal operation, and some reasonable overclocking, sure, but not much past that. Additionally, yes, depending on the spec, VRM components can get pretty toasty and remain within spec, but they'll still become pretty inefficient in doing so.

 

I wouldn't put too much into tweaking further, but what was the LLC scale on that board? Was 1 the highest or the lowest?

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2 minutes ago, DildorTheDecent said:

That's mega. Sure they're stressed but 108C is nuts. Feel like your board is a factor here too. VRM is too hot and might be a bit unstable. 

 

That or AMD is binning the CPUs properly. A 1700X should clock better than your 1700. With the 1800X the CPU to push 4GHz and slightly beyond. So, if you really want all the clock, you'll need an 'X' part. In theory anyway. 

My 1700 is stable at 4.1 ...

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1 minute ago, jjohnthedon1 said:

My 1700 is stable at 4.1 ...

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