X99 vs x299

[yazerak]

I've wanted an x99 system for a while now but never had the money for one, that is until now but now x299 is out. should I go with x299 even though ive heard it has heating issues and other optimization problems at the moment or stick with x99 because its a more mature chipset 

 

I plan on using 2 1080tis, 64g of ram and water cooling for the cpu and gpu i plan on gaming, streaming,  and video editing/rendering 

[The Sloth]

why not ryzen? 

[Sir Asvald]

Would you consider Ryzen? It's cheap and you can do all your required tasks. Do you have a budget in mind or you're open (no budget)

[yazerak]

I'd prefer Intel honestly nothing against AMD

[yazerak]

Just now, Abdul201588 said:

Would you consider Ryzen? It's cheap and you can do all your required tasks. Do you have a budget in mind or you're open (no budget)

4500$ with about 800-1000 of it set to wateecooling

[Sir Asvald]

1 minute ago, yazerak said:

4500$ with about 800-1000 of it set to wateecooling

 

2 minutes ago, yazerak said:

I'd prefer Intel honestly nothing against AMD

What are you reasons for going Intel over AMD?  I want to know.  

[Princess Luna]

Go Ryzen

[NumLock21]

X299 due to its more updated platform.

[Anghammarad]

I would chose X99. It is "well hung dry" and what speaks against X299 is all the crap with "optional" features depending on what CPU you put in like amount of PCIE Lanes and other stuff... And it's well... too fresh... 

 

Did I anywhere already mention that I don't like still warm form development hardware? I like working stuff and not being a beta tester...

[panther420]

40 minutes ago, yazerak said:

I've wanted an x99 system for a while now but never had the money for one, that is until now but now x299 is out. should I go with x299 even though ive heard it has heating issues and other optimization problems at the moment or stick with x99 because its a more mature chipset 

 

I plan on using 2 1080tis, 64g of ram and water cooling for the cpu and gpu i plan on gaming, streaming,  and video editing/rendering 

Well I would suggest a normal desktop Ryzen system, but for proper dual x16 bandwidth to both 1080tis and quad-channel support to pair with 64 gb of ram, you kinda have to go HEDT. My recommendation is to wait for Ryzen threadripper, which will have 12 and 16-core CPU's as well as 64 pcie lanes, and quad-channel support, something that the normal Ryzen doesn't have. Threadripper will drop in early august. If you need to buy something right this second then x299 isn't horrible, but you can really get more out of your money if you go with ryzen. X99 is really only good now if you can get it on sale or just not at msrp, especially the CPU's.  

[He_162]

if you are dedicated to intel, here are your options:

X299 has no issues whatsoever in terms of the "new platform" bugs that Ryzen had when it launched, yes the processors are kind of hot, but only if you overclock them, in which case they will take in a lot of power, and you want a motherboard with an 8+4 power connector pin, not just an 8 pin, and you want a higher end board with a good VRM for powering the processor, other than that, there are really no big issues with going X299.

X99 is old, it offers no more than AMD Ryzen does, and AMD Ryzen is cheaper, and offers future proofing (AMD's next gen processors will work on the X370 chipset), so you will want to go with that over X99, or just go for X299.

[Drak3]

@done12many2 is happy with his X299 system, and he's replicated as best he could, the thermal issues. Huge exaggeration, and you'll only have "issues" if you pair high end chips on low end boards and try to OC them to their wits.

Gaming performance is great on either platform, but X299 might be able to be made better with some updates (not needed IMO, X299 is still massive overkill). Quite a few programs outside of gaming get performance boosts from the restructured cache and AVX512 if you're a content creator.

 

Either is a good choice, I'd personally go X99 if you want to heavily OC without a delid, and X299 in every other scenario.

12 minutes ago, He_162 said:

X99 is old, it offers no more than AMD Ryzen does

Better overclocking. Better AVX performance. Quad Channel memory. More PCIe lanes.

[He_162]

7 hours ago, Drak3 said:

@done12many2 is happy with his X299 system, and he's replicated as best he could, the thermal issues. Huge exaggeration, and you'll only have "issues" if you pair high end chips on low end boards and try to OC them to their wits.

Gaming performance is great on either platform, but X299 might be able to be made better with some updates (not needed IMO, X299 is still massive overkill). Quite a few programs outside of gaming get performance boosts from the restructured cache and AVX512 if you're a content creator.

 

Either is a good choice, I'd personally go X99 if you want to heavily OC without a delid, and X299 in every other scenario.

Better overclocking. Better AVX performance. Quad Channel memory. More PCIe lanes.

I recommend threadripper over X99, but X299 over threadripper then, unless you need PCIE lanes specifically, then go for threadripper.

And the AVX performance alone is not worth paying 3x as much for an 8 core in X99, or a 10 core in X299, unless of course you have the money, which the OP does, so he can just go for the 16 core, and get better performance than the Skylake-X 10 core if he wants.

As for going for just intel, like you said, X299 is the way to go.

[bomerr]

Have you ever owned a gaming PC before? Because 2 1080 Tis are really pointless for vast majority of people. A single 1080 Ti with a good overclock can game at 4K 60fps on high settings in all games. SLI is good when it provides even 40% more performance so it's terrible return on investment and can cause problems in some games such as micro-stutter, as well as put out more heat. 

 

My recommendation would be 7700k + 1 1080 Ti for a gaming centric building. Or an 7820x or 7900X if you are generating revenue from video editing and could benefit from the performance performance. 

[Drak3]

5 hours ago, He_162 said:

I recommend threadripper over X99, but X299 over threadripper then

I would only recommend Threadripper for PCIe expandability. Otherwise, IMO, shit HEDT platform.

 

[rockon5622]

X299 has newer features and support. So, go with x299 over x99. I run x79 right now and plan on jumping on board x299. Also skylake per core performance is great.

[He_162]

14 hours ago, bomerr said:

Have you ever owned a gaming PC before? Because 2 1080 Tis are really pointless for vast majority of people. A single 1080 Ti with a good overclock can game at 4K 60fps on high settings in all games. SLI is good when it provides even 40% more performance so it's terrible return on investment and can cause problems in some games such as micro-stutter, as well as put out more heat. 

 

My recommendation would be 7700k + 1 1080 Ti for a gaming centric building. Or an 7820x or 7900X if you are generating revenue from video editing and could benefit from the performance performance. 

Who are you talking to?

 

9 hours ago, Drak3 said:

I would only recommend Threadripper for PCIe expandability. Otherwise, IMO, shit HEDT platform.

 

You say it's shit, but it's better than X299 price to price, and that means a lot for people who don't want to pay for RAID keys, etc.

 

 

3 hours ago, rockon5622 said:

X299 has newer features and support. So, go with x299 over x99. I run x79 right now and plan on jumping on board x299. Also skylake per core performance is great.

But only marginally better than x99, and Ryzen.

Also, you have to pay for things such as RAID keys for X299, and you don't on Threadripper. Oh, and threadripper is cheaper.

[Clanscorpia]

6 minutes ago, He_162 said:

 

You say it's shit, but it's better than X299 price to price, and that means a lot for people who don't want to pay for RAID keys, etc.

The main market for X299 doesnt care about price, it cares about how much performance it can get, and when a middle teir i9 will theoretically beat the top Threadripper chip, Intel still has better performance

 

[He_162]

1 minute ago, Clanscorpia said:

The main market for X299 doesnt care about price, it cares about how much performance it can get, and when a middle teir i9 will theoretically beat the top Threadripper chip, Intel still has better performance

 

If you are going to get anything bigger than the 10 core, then the market they are looking at is the Xeon market, which doesn't force you to use RAID keys, there is literally no reason to go for the 12+ core i9 parts, none whatsoever.

In which case, Threadripper is cheap enough and offers enough cores that the Xeon's look silly until you want more than 16 cores, in which case EPYC is there for competition as well.

[Clanscorpia]

Just now, He_162 said:

If you are going to get anything bigger than the 10 core, then the market they are looking at is the Xeon market, which doesn't force you to use RAID keys, there is literally no reason to go for the 12+ core i9 parts, none whatsoever.

Overclocking

[He_162]

Just now, Clanscorpia said:

Overclocking

That's very minor, I don't see a reason to overclock these 12 core+ chips if the reason you need more cores is because the applications require more cores, rather than better clock speeds, of course it helps, but if you really want a program that can use that many cores to benefit from it, you might as well just get a higher core count processor.

[TahoeDust]

You do not have to buy a RAID key to run chipset driven raid on x299.  It functions just like it always has.  I am booting from two m.2 drives in raid 0 and do not have any kind raid key.

[Drak3]

15 minutes ago, He_162 said:

You say it's shit, but it's better than X299 price to price, and that means a lot for people who don't want to pay for RAID keys, etc.

For the tasks that HEDT targets, it really isn't. Also, the RAID key is only for VROC RAID 1, 5, 6, 10 on NVMe. Every other RAID that one could do on X99, or any other platform, is fully available on X299.

[He_162]

10 minutes ago, TahoeDust said:

You do not have to buy a RAID key to run chipset driven raid on x299.  It functions just like it always has.  I am booting from two m.2 drives in raid 0 and do not have any kind raid key.

100$ for a RAID 1, and 10 key, for RAID 5 it will be 200+$$ according to motherboard manufacturers, either way, you have to pay for anything past RAID 0.

 

 

4 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

For the tasks that HEDT targets, it really isn't. Also, the RAID key is only for VROC RAID 1, 5, 6, 10 on NVMe. Every other RAID that one could do on X99, or any other platform, is fully available on X299.

I suppose 99% of all people just have endless stores of cash they can throw at intel for X299, or Xeon's then, huh?

You seem to think that people who work for a living don't want to save money and get better performance while doing so?

[DildorTheDecent]

1 minute ago, He_162 said:

You seem to think that people who work for a living don't want to save money and get better performance while doing so?

Well they've never been able to do that. AMD could never compete against the Intel HEDT since AMD never had a HEDT platform of there own. 

 

Maybe now things MIGHT change.