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Iphone 8 will probably not have fingerprint scanner embedded in screen

19 minutes ago, RedRound2 said:

Your point being?

Agreeing with you?

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30 minutes ago, RedRound2 said:

Dont we have to blink or something? iirc it doesnt work while youre sleeping

The point is that they're equally secure unless you're being forced, and if someone is forcing you then they're probably going to have enough leverage to force you either way. 

 

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Wish it were inside the Apple logo in the very least. Hopefully KGI is wrong, but OLED and near bezeless is an excellent start.

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3 minutes ago, VerticalDiscussions said:

Wish it were inside the Apple logo in the very least. Hopefully KGI is wrong, but OLED and near bezeless is an excellent start.

There's a chance it is. Apple hasn't commented on this yet, and if it is in the logo, that's pretty good. I doubt it will be in the oled unless Apple says so though.

 

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1 hour ago, suicidalfranco said:

member when all the fanboys called windows hello a gimmick?

lmfao

To be fair at this point high end phones are battleing it out almost exclusively on gimmicks - we've come to a point where speed and thinness increases aren't noticeable and screens are amazing even on mid to low end devices. For apple, samsung etc it's just a race to try and justify the ridiculous price tag however they can at this point. People aren't going to fork out another 800$+ 2 years from their last purchase if the only difference is an incremental performance boost.

 

I'd like to see a big leap in battery technology, but unfortunately it seems we have hit a dead end there for the time being.

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4 hours ago, Matu20 said:

Whatever they decide, sheeple will still praise and worship their decision. Rational people need not apply.

I'm sorry, but for me is always the same nonsense the people that buy Apple without looking alternatives as the people saying rational people don't buy Apple. Is just such a shame that they both get it wrong and so they close for alternatives that could work great.

 

But hey, every time I read some of these people I just get reminded how fortunate I am for being able to use whatever product serves my purpose.

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Who's ready for all the dick-sucking that'll go on both sides for whatever Apple does?

In any case, if they go for facial recognition, that'll be interesting if it's effective enough.

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If they make it in the apple logo that would be sick.

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29 minutes ago, Sauron said:

To be fair at this point high end phones are battleing it out almost exclusively on gimmicks - we've come to a point where speed and thinness increases aren't noticeable and screens are amazing even on mid to low end devices. For apple, samsung etc it's just a race to try and justify the ridiculous price tag however they can at this point. People aren't going to fork out another 800$+ 2 years from their last purchase if the only difference is an incremental performance boost.

 

I'd like to see a big leap in battery technology, but unfortunately it seems we have hit a dead end there for the time being.

That's why a majority of people have 5Ses, 6s, and 6Ses

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12 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

If they make it in the apple logo that would be sick.

Yeah. But how would that work with cases?

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1 hour ago, Cheezdoodlez said:

Yeah. But how would that work with cases?

You have a hole there. Many cases already have a hole to show off the apple logo so they wouldn't even have to change. My guess is it will have both a finger print and iris so you can use a case that covers it if you want and just use your eye

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9 hours ago, BuckGup said:

If they make it in the apple logo that would be sick.

But the Apple logo is metal. How would they fit it in there and have it work

 

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10 hours ago, Shreyas1 said:

But the Apple logo is metal. How would they fit it in there and have it work

How would they fit it under a screen. They can and it has already been shown off on other phones. I am sure it would be glass or another material

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On 04/07/2017 at 2:18 PM, Matu20 said:

Whatever they decide, sheeple will still praise and worship their decision. Rational people need not apply.

see this http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/irony

On 04/07/2017 at 2:32 PM, djdwosk97 said:

This never stops being ironic. 

I've seen a lot of conflicting reports both for and against touch ID embedded in the screen. At this point we won't know until it launches, although I really hope they manage to get good enough yields.

lol and ......

On 04/07/2017 at 2:52 PM, Arokhantos said:

Getting rid of finger print scanner would be stupid idea tbh.

 

On 04/07/2017 at 3:00 PM, djdwosk97 said:

If facial recognition (or whatever they replace it with) is equally accurate/secure/fool proof, then it wouldn't be terrible -- the only problem I would have is if I wanted to unlock it while it's on my desk. 

 

On 04/07/2017 at 3:01 PM, Arokhantos said:

I's not that secure right now and i doubt it could be made more secure unless they added 3D stereo camera on the iphone to even detect depth and all.

from what have been looking at the FP scanner just wasnt up to scratch so they dropped it for now. as for facial recognition they have allegedly came up with a system that unlocks your phone as quick as touch ID uses 3d cameras as to prevent a picture being used and work if when you phone is lying on a table.......IF this is true BOOM thats a game changer right there but its seams a little too good to be true.......ill be getting this one no matter what way they go. my 7+ is starting to struggle and is looking tired.

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On 7/4/2017 at 7:47 AM, Jito463 said:

Pair this with the patent that Facebook filed - to monitor your face, determine your mood and deliver appropriate ads based on said mood - and it's becoming seriously worrying (dare I say, scary?) to own a smart phone lately.

Uhh, Apple has no interest in this kind of stuff. 

 

They don't know and they don't want to know what you do with your phone. 

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15 hours ago, Shreyas1 said:

But the Apple logo is metal. How would they fit it in there and have it work

The logo is a cut out, any material could go there. 

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If Apple does remove TouchID iOS will need a lot of changes. 

 

iOS is pretty dependent on TouchID for so much of the OS. Not just Apple Pay and unlocking your device. 

 

Putting it under the glass may have been an idea too early for its time, and Apple isn't one to lead the charge. The rumors say no TouchID under the display, but I do not think they will remove it. 

 

Putting it on the back, while imo, a terrible decision, it is still better than getting rid of TouchID all together. 

 

If they remove it Apple is going to have their iPads, all other iPhones, and their MacBook Pros all running TouchID and then the iPhone 8/Edition/whatever as being the only device using facial recognition. 

 

No matter how efficient or accurate it is, you won't be able to unlock your phone from your pocket with facial recognition.   

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On 04/07/2017 at 9:15 PM, Shreyas1 said:

Also many people probably wont like a company having pics of their face in apple's database. 

Apple would be stupid if they do something like this. 

If it is not broken, let's fix till it is. 

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I think that there is a possibility apple produce 3 models of iphone. 

2 regular one, iphone 7 and 7+. And a special one with touch ID embedded in the screen,. 

And the last one is gonna come to the market later than the 1st two. 

But that would be a stupid thing to do cos they want their most expensive product to get to as many people as they can.

 

I won't be the one that purchase this year's iphone though. 

 

Also I hope apple makes sure that whatever comes out, is perfect. Not half baked solution like other companies come out. I rather they postpone the imperfect solution than come out with a half working one and put a premium price tag on it. 

If it is not broken, let's fix till it is. 

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27 minutes ago, mrchow19910319 said:

Apple would be stupid if they do something like this. 

It's not so far fetched.  If someone locks their iPhone to their Apple ID (which is common), then switches phones, you don't think Apple would potentially transfer that facial recognition information to the new phone when paired to the existing Apple ID?  It would be good if they didn't and forced people to do it manually, but I could see people complaining about having to set it up on a new phone again when transferring.  And if Apple did transfer it automatically, they'd have to have that information in their database.

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8 minutes ago, Jito463 said:

you don't think Apple would potentially transfer that facial recognition information to the new phone when paired to the existing Apple ID?  It would be good if they didn't and forced people to do it manually, but I could see people complaining about having to set it up on a new phone again when transferring.  

They won't do this. They don't even store our fingerprint in their server. 

If they will do something like this, the tech world would be outrageous. 

If they will do this kind of thing, our fingerprint will be stored to their cloud too when they 1st introduced touchID. 

And there won't be cases like the FBI has so much difficulty unlock that iphone a few years ago. 

 

It is quite easy to use fingerprint sensor in your phone, voice recognition can be done too. But doing it right, without violating people's privacy is hard to do so. 

 

Of course people who really dislike apple will claim: "they are lying. don't trust them etc" but these kind of info is really sensitive. And I personally think that apple will not do that.

 

Edit: Even your imessage is encrypted. You know that when you sign into apple ID on new devices a lot of the things are synced up. Contacts and such. But not until iOS 11, imessage isn't one of them. Because apple haven't figured it out how to sync your imessage without decrypting them, 

 

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If it is not broken, let's fix till it is. 

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Just now, mrchow19910319 said:

They won't do this. They don't even store our fingerprint in their server. 

If they will do something like this, the tech world would be outrageous. 

If they will do this kind of thing, our fingerprint will be stored to their cloud too when they 1st introduced touchID. 

And there won't be cases like the FBI has so much difficulty unlock that iphone a few years ago. 

 

It is quite easy to use fingerprint sensor in your phone, voice recognition can be done too. But doing it right, without violating people's privacy is hard to do so. 

 

Of course people who really dislike apple will claim: "they are lying. don't trust them etc" but these kind of info is really sensitive. And I personally think that apple will not do that.

 

You could be right.  I wasn't stating as a definitive, but as a possibility.  If you're right, then my fears are unfounded and we're good.

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4 minutes ago, mrchow19910319 said:

Edit: Even your imessage is encrypted. You know that when you sign into apple ID on new devices a lot of the things are synced up. Contacts and such. But not until iOS 11, imessage isn't one of them. Because apple haven't figured it out how to sync your imessage without decrypting them, 

 

Your messages will also be restored when you restore a backup. 

3 minutes ago, Jito463 said:

You could be right.  I wasn't stating as a definitive, but as a possibility.  If you're right, then my fears are unfounded and we're good.

Regardless, I would be FAR more concerned with Apple having my fingerprints than my face and that is probably a universal truth considering your face is plastered all over the internet and easily accessible by anyone who sees you. 

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Just now, Jito463 said:

You could be right.  I wasn't stating as a definitive, but as a possibility.  If you're right, then my fears are unfounded and we're good.

I think I am abit leaning towards apple cos I really like their service and product. 
I'm definitely a bit pro apple at this forum. 

 

But in the end it is hard to find that thin line between "convenience" and "security". A lot of people suggested (vocally) that we should NOT let our browsers remember our passwords and there are number of incident that this function can easily be bypassed and cause of leaking passwords and personal info and such. But we did it anyway. Why? Cos it is convenient to do it this way. 

If it is not broken, let's fix till it is. 

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