Vega FE benchmarked by random dude

[3DOSH]

Its been stated that FE is using the crimson 17.1.1 as fall back when gaming by RTG rep. 

This means nothing of the new Vega features are in effect thus explaining the weird results.

Who ever thought it was good idea to release this card in this state needs to be looking for new job.

Hell you waited a year, what is another month??? Mind boggling stuff. 

[The Benjamins]

6 minutes ago, 3DOSH said:

Its been stated that FE is using the crimson 17.1.1 as fall back when gaming by RTG rep. 

This means nothing of the new Vega features are in effect thus explaining the weird results.

Who ever thought it was good idea to release this card in this state needs to be looking for new job.

Hell you waited a year, what is another month??? Mind boggling stuff. 

Why? it is not a gaming card, so why is the gaming performance important?

[Sacriledgy]

Just now, The Benjamins said:

Why? it is not a gaming card, so why is the gaming performance important?

Maybe because people are insecure and worred that AMD will topple Nvidia from GPU king. 

 

Now people will use anything to proof that Vega will be a flop. 

[The Benjamins]

2 minutes ago, Its Not Important said:

Maybe because people are insecure and worred that AMD will topple Nvidia from GPU king. 

 

Now people will use anything to proof that Vega will be a flop. 

how many times does AMD have to say it is not a gaming card and to wait for RX Vega.

 

The point of the card is to get a great workstation performance which it does, and be able to swap quickly to test it in a game environment, well hey it does that too.

 

It is faster right now then a 580 and 1070 and in early game development you don't care about top FPS but does it work.

 

I would expect this Card to get better when RX Vega is out.

[Sacriledgy]

2 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

how many times does AMD have to say it is not a gaming card and to wait for RX Vega.

 

The point of the card is to get a great workstation performance which it does, and be able to swap quickly to test it in a game environment, well hey it does that too.

 

It is faster right now then a 580 and 1070 and in early game development you don't care about top FPS but does it work.

 

I would expect this Card to get better when RX Vega is out.

Well yeah, but maniacs will always think otherwise. 

[Notional]

7 hours ago, mr moose said:

Ahhhhh, the arguments they used against/for the titan have come back to be used for AMD.  Its not a gaming card, it is a gaming card, its not workstation card, it is a workstation card.  

What is in a name, should a titan be called that by any other name, would it not still be over priced for what it does in crysis?

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Are you sure you can compare them though? The first Titan's might have had a point, in that they could do double precision fairly well. However, Maxwell and Pascal Titan's are only standard GTX cards with double amount of VRAM and uses GTX gaming drivers. By all definitions, Titan cards the last couple of generations have been gaming cards.

 

Vega on the other hand, might be a gaming GPU, but it comes with pro drivers. It can change to gaming drivers too, but those seems to be secondary, with low performance and doesn't seem to be optimized for anything. By all accounts, I would say this is a semi pro card, mostly for devs/content creators.

 

That being said, Vega could be bad at gaming, and simply be a better pro card than gaming. But it's way too early to say anything about that.

 

The problem for AMD atm, is the lack of R&D resources. AMD is forced to make 1 architecture to suit both pro and gaming markets. That is not very effective, and one of the reasons why GCN has always been such brutal compute cards. When AMD gets more money, I'm sure we will see a split in architectures for gaming and prop cards, just like Nvidia.

[3DOSH]

1 hour ago, The Benjamins said:

Why? it is not a gaming card, so why is the gaming performance important?

It doesn't matter what AMD says the card is or not, that's not the point.

 Vega is the most anticipated Gpu launch this year, which ever card AMD first released was gonna be tested with games and AMD KNOWS that that's why they said wait for the RX line.

It's Pro consumer card, means it does both not one thing.

PC per even said they were gonna bench it with games.

AMD dropped the ball with this specific card not Vega. 

[NumLock21]

don't know if this was already posted or mentioned

 

[The Benjamins]

Just now, 3DOSH said:

It doesn't matter what AMD says the card is or not, that's not the point.

 Vega is the most anticipated Gpu launch this year, which ever card AMD first released was gonna be tested with games and AMD KNOWS that that's why they said wait for the RX line.

It's Pro consumer card, means it does both not one thing.

PC per even said they were gonna bench it with games.

AMD dropped the ball with this specific card not Vega. 

Well, that sucks for the people that believe this will be it. I feel they are doing this to ensure that they will be able to refine RX vega and Pro Vega better before launch.

It is neat to see the results but this is no indication of preformance.

[Valentyn]

Turns out the gaming driver in Frontier Edition is the old wrong one, at 17.1.1.

 

https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/amd-vega-10-vega-11-and-vega-20-rumors-and-discussion.59649/page-119#post-1989522
 

[3DOSH]

2 minutes ago, Valentyn said:

Turns out the gaming driver in Frontier Edition is the old wrong one, at 17.1.1.

 

https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/amd-vega-10-vega-11-and-vega-20-rumors-and-discussion.59649/page-119#post-1989522
 

Yep which explains everything but not why AMD rushed the launch with old gaming driver instead of waiting one more month and not hurting VEGA hype regarding it's gaming capability. Oh because they wanted high margin card for the rich people of the world.

 

[Taf the Ghost]

1 minute ago, Valentyn said:

Turns out the gaming driver in Frontier Edition is the old wrong one, at 17.1.1.

 

https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/amd-vega-10-vega-11-and-vega-20-rumors-and-discussion.59649/page-119#post-1989522
 

It also strikes me that the driver engine for the FE should be setup to "work" rather than be optimized for raw performance. If it's for Design & Dev work, you want baseline compatibility. This is the reason his clocks were dropping in games, more than likely, as the driver just simply wasn't allowing the game engine to provide enough data to compute.  

 

So, for its actual purpose, the FE seems great. For gaming, it's not cost comparative for the Titan Xp. Oh well.

[Taf the Ghost]

2 minutes ago, 3DOSH said:

Yep which explains everything but not why AMD rushed the launch with old gaming driver instead of waiting one more month and not hurting VEGA hype regarding it's gaming capability. Oh because they wanted high margin card for the rich people of the world.

 

HBM2 supply issues, more than likely. The FE was the one they could get to market first.  And, frankly, it's quite ready for its actual job. 

 

I also think some anti-Hype might be a good idea, as it's much more the fan community that's really worked themselves up for Vega.  Mostly because competition really helps in the computer space.

[Valentyn]

5 minutes ago, 3DOSH said:

Yep which explains everything but not why AMD rushed the launch with old gaming driver instead of waiting one more month and not hurting VEGA hype regarding it's gaming capability. Oh because they wanted high margin card for the rich people of the world.

 

 

3 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

It also strikes me that the driver engine for the FE should be setup to "work" rather than be optimized for raw performance. If it's for Design & Dev work, you want baseline compatibility. This is the reason his clocks were dropping in games, more than likely, as the driver just simply wasn't allowing the game engine to provide enough data to compute.  

 

So, for its actual purpose, the FE seems great. For gaming, it's not cost comparative for the Titan Xp. Oh well.

 

AMD royally screwed up this launch. Once the reviews are out there, they stick. They're launch day reviews, and many places just recycle those results in the coming months and years when reviewing newer GPUs.

AMD had to relaunch the RX 480 as the 580 to get away from the abysmal launch day reviews where the 480 was competing against the 970, and not the 980/1060.

Someone at HQ needs to sort out the damn GPU marketing department, this launch is a massive flop that's severely hurting AMD in the eyes of the internet. It's spreading like wild fire. "Vega barely faster than FuryX/1070, can barely get close to 1080"

Public perception and mindshare is extremely important. This entire launch could have been handled better by people on this forum; compared to the folks at RTG marketing.

[Valentyn]

PcPer have their Frontier Edition!

[The Benjamins]

4 minutes ago, 3DOSH said:

Yep which explains everything but not why AMD rushed the launch with old gaming driver instead of waiting one more month and not hurting VEGA hype regarding it's gaming capability. Oh because they wanted high margin card for the rich people of the world.

 

I think the goal was to use this release to tune both RX and Pro cards. I think it is a good idea to get a nicer gaming and pro card launch.

[Valentyn]

4 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

I think the goal was to use this release to tune both RX and Pro cards. I think it is a good idea to get a nicer gaming and pro card launch.

@3DOSH

 

AMD Rushed it for one reason. Shareholders. They promised Vega by Q2 2017.

Vega Frontier Edition has made that promise with a few days to spare.

[Valentyn]

PC per are doing live benchmarking of the FE at i think 10:30 our time

https://www.pcper.com/live/
 

 

[MoonSpot]

16 minutes ago, Valentyn said:

PcPer have their Frontier Edition!

They're going live in approx 2hrs for some live benching.  This one should offer some actual insight.

 

:edit: derp.  ninja'd 

[3DOSH]

24 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

I think the goal was to use this release to tune both RX and Pro cards. I think it is a good idea to get a nicer gaming and pro card launch.

Tuning happens in the lab with all the tools at your disposal. My point is this: first impressions are everything now a days, half the use case of this card is gaming, it's 13 teraflops beast and still not on our with 1080.

RX Vega needs to knock it out the park now .

 

[Valentyn]

14 minutes ago, 3DOSH said:

Tuning happens in the lab with all the tools at your disposal. My point is this: first impressions are everything now a days, half the use case of this card is gaming, it's 13 teraflops beast and still not on our with 1080.

RX Vega needs to knock it out the park now .

 

Hell man, it loses to an overclocked Fury X in 3Dmark! Makes no sense, it's all over the place right now.

[leadeater]

2 hours ago, Valentyn said:

AMD royally screwed up this launch. Once the reviews are out there, they stick. They're launch day reviews, and many places just recycle those results in the coming months and years when reviewing newer GPUs.

But these are not launch reviews or reviews at all, user benchmarks are not the same thing and unless you are well, frankly utterly stupid, no one is going to mistake them as anything else. When the actual reviews come out they will get recycled as you say like always but these aren't those.

 

2 hours ago, Valentyn said:

Public perception and mindshare is extremely important.

This is the actual issue.

[PCGuy_5960]

2 hours ago, Valentyn said:

That blue looks soooooo good!

[Valentyn]

20 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

That blue looks soooooo good!

Damn right!  

 

Apparently the temps average out at 83, same as NVIDIA reference. Issue is, PcPer are seeing average clocks of 1440Mhz on it at "stock" settings.

So looks great, is pants

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, Valentyn said:

Damn right!  

 

Apparently the temps average out at 83, same as NVIDIA reference. Issue is, PcPer are seeing average clocks of 1440Mhz on it at "stock" settings.

Yep and at 1440MHz, it can barely match a 1070 (in Superposition, which is DX12).......