7900X Coming In Hot?!

[VagabondWraith]

1 minute ago, done12many2 said:

 

That's how @tom_w141 compares most things.  Value is his #1.  Nothing wrong with that, but it's not the same for a guy like me.  

Makes me wonder if the 7820X was the same price as the 1700, and soldered, would the AMD fangirls really consider Intel? Doubtful. They have come from hiding in defense of a good (not great) product after all these years.

[mynameisjuan]

Just now, done12many2 said:

 

That's how @tom_w141 compares most things.  Value is his #1.  Nothing wrong with that, but it's not the same for a guy like me.  

I dont know why value is even mentioned here. The people buying this are spending the money because they want their shit done as fast as possible and are willing to pay for it no matter what the price to performance value is. 

 

Its like since Ryzen, things in the past 6 years that never mattered all of a sudden matter. Power and value are all of a sudden number 1&2 priority.

[Morgan MLGman]

6 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

That's how @tom_w141 compares most things.  Value is his #1.  Nothing wrong with that, but it's not the same for a guy like me.  

Though you need to keep in mind this as I can tell you that first-hand, not every country is like the US. Sure, the 7900X will cost 999$ in the US, but it will cost 1500$ in countries that have elevated tech prices such as my own, Poland. Now to add to that, people generally earn a lot less here so there goes the reasoning behind value... That is why it is one of the most important parts of making a purchase decision for me

2 minutes ago, mynameisjuan said:

Its like since Ryzen, things in the past 6 years that never mattered all of a sudden matter. Power and value are all of a sudden number 1&2 priority.

So AMD wasn't bashed every time their CPUs were mentioned for big power draw in the past?

[done12many2]

11 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

Oh, I'm not saying they're lies bud.  Temps will be high if someone is dumb enough to try to cool a high clock speed 10 core with an AIO.  That's just stupid.  Yet all the reviewers keep trying.  4.5 to 4.8 on a small CLC is just ridiculous.  Why not just go for 4.3 to 4.4 and still enjoy the great performance results.

 

I for one am glad they can clock that high and even higher as I don't plan to use a CLC.  Intel gave me the option on how high I want to talk it and I appreciate that.  

 

1 minute ago, tom_w141 said:

No no the thread is irrelevant now. @done12many2 has enlightened us to the lies of all the tech reviewers, they are forming a Cabal to bring down beloved, infallible Intel. The thermal issues are not present it is a scheme concocted by the Cabal to hurt Intel.

 

Nice try.  Now you really are started to act like a little younger then your age bud.  

 

See who does this shit?

[XenosTech]

1 minute ago, Morgan MLGman said:

Though you need to keep in mind this as I can tell you that first-hand, not every country is like the US. Sure, the 7900X will cost 999$ in the US, but it will cost 1500$ in countries that have elevated tech prices such as my own, Poland. Now to add to that, people generally earn a lot less here so there goes the reasoning behind value... That is why it is one of the most important parts of making a purchase decision for me

Where I am that's $2700 at best if you buy it in a store

[PCGuy_5960]

1 minute ago, VagabondWraith said:

Makes me wonder if the 7820X was the same price as the 1700, and soldered, would the AMD fangirls really consider Intel? Doubtful. They have come from hiding in defense of a good (not great) product after all these years.

This would be their excuse: "X299 motherboards are way too expensive"

[done12many2]

2 minutes ago, mynameisjuan said:

I dont know why value is even mentioned here. The people buying this are spending the money because they want their shit done as fast as possible and are willing to pay for it no matter what the price to performance value is. 

 

Its like since Ryzen, things in the past 6 years that never mattered all of a sudden matter. Power and value are all of a sudden number 1&2 priority.

 

Because those are the two metrics that make them look better then the competition.  Base it purely on performance and things don't turn out the same way.  

[PCGuy_5960]

2 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

Though you need to keep in mind this as I can tell you that first-hand, not every country is like the US

Easy fix, come to the US

(This message is Trump approved)

[The Benjamins]

2 minutes ago, VagabondWraith said:

Makes me wonder if the 7820X was the same price as the 1700, and soldered, would the AMD fangirls really consider Intel? Doubtful. They have come from hiding in defense of a good (not great) product after all these years.

The reason I am not considering Intel is the mess with the motherboards and it not being soldered. was originally considering a x99/x299 setup but now I am not. intel messed up.

[tom_w141]

2 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

That's how @tom_w141 compares most things.  Value is his #1.  Nothing wrong with that, but it's not the same for a guy like me.  

Do you understand what value is? Value is when a $300 product can perform almost as well as a $600 product. Therefore doing not quite as well for half the cost = value.

 

Comparing a $600 product against a $600 product is calling comparing at the same price bracket and it is the best way to compare CPUs as @leadeater said earlier on. You take offering from Company A at $600 and you take offering from Company B at $600 and you see who is better at that level, then you move on to the next level  and repeat.

[done12many2]

3 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

Though you need to keep in mind this as I can tell you that first-hand, not every country is like the US. Sure, the 7900X will cost 999$ in the US, but it will cost 1500$ in countries that have elevated tech prices such as my own, Poland. Now to add to that, people generally earn a lot less here so there goes the reasoning behind value... That is why it is one of the most important parts of making a purchase decision for me

 

I agree man.  Guys in some countries get slayed over pricing and I wish it were different.  With that said, I understand why value is important.  It's very important to me in other things I buy.  The more money I save on the other things, the more money I have to blow on computer parts.

 

I eat a lot of Ramen noodles and push my car instead of driving it to save money for computer parts.  

[Morgan MLGman]

Just now, PCGuy_5960 said:

Easy fix, come to the US

(This message is Trump approved)

That is actually one of my biggest dreams, living in either the US or South Korea. Trust me when I say this, noone would freely choose to live in Poland and even people living here want to leave

[VagabondWraith]

6 minutes ago, mynameisjuan said:

I dont know why value is even mentioned here. The people buying this are spending the money because they want their shit done as fast as possible and are willing to pay for it no matter what the price to performance value is. 

 

Its like since Ryzen, things in the past 6 years that never mattered all of a sudden matter. Power and value are all of a sudden number 1&2 priority.

And everybody streams 7 days a week and has a Hollywood Blockbuster studio budget for rendering.  

[done12many2]

1 minute ago, tom_w141 said:

Do you understand what value is?

 

Yes, it's what consumes you.  

[tom_w141]

5 minutes ago, VagabondWraith said:

Makes me wonder if the 7820X was the same price as the 1700, and soldered, would the AMD fangirls really consider Intel? Doubtful. They have come from hiding in defense of a good (not great) product after all these years.

You realise for me they are $20 apart right? If I buy its 50% off Intel. I would consider selling my AM4 platform if X299 was soldered and if the performance uplift was higher, the reason I don't is I don't want to delid a high value product so I choose an option where I don't have to. For me personally the performance uplift isn't enough of a trade off for the increase in heat and power bills + the hassle of selling my current system, but that is ofc a personal opinion and not suited to everyone.

[Techstorm970]

19 hours ago, Nicholatian said:

 it's like watching a trainwreck in slow motion

Soooooo...uh...it's mysteriously majestic?

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, huilun02 said:

Nice to see Intel defense force working their asses off trying to twist this post of bad news about an Intel product into the exact opposite. And courtesy of the mods allowing it to go miles OT, 13 pages and going strong

Alright let's start hating on Intel, shall we? "Intel sucks" "Intel is a furnace", "Intel is not soldered", "Intel is too expensive" /s

1 minute ago, tom_w141 said:

power bills

That $1 is going to make a huge difference! /s

[tom_w141]

4 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

Yes, it's what consumes you.  

Question well ignored *claps* I suppose avoidance is one way admitting you misread what I said. I have been careful not to say value and be specific for that reason  

[tom_w141]

1 minute ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Alright let's start hating on Intel, shall we? "Intel sucks" "Intel is a furnace", "Intel is not soldered", "Intel is too expensive" /s

That $1 is going to make a huge difference! /s

Only quotations 2 and 3 are true, play it off as Intel hate however you like but a fact is a fact.

[tom_w141]

19 hours ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

95C is just bad, I really hope that the 12+ core ones are soldered

Oh look who it is from page 1 when people actually discussed the OP before just saying "fuck the haters man"

[XenosTech]

4 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

I agree man.  Guys in some countries get slayed over pricing and I wish it were different.  With that said, I understand why value is important.  It's very important to me in other things I buy.  The more money I save on the other things, the more money I have to blow on computer parts.

 

I eat a lot of Ramen noodles and push my car instead of driving it to save money for computer parts.  

 Yup (divide by 2 and you should have your us price) and this is the cheapest you can get them here at anywhere else the markup is stupid

[done12many2]

4 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

Question well ignored *claps* I suppose avoidance is one way admitting you misread what I said.

 

Actually it was answered.  I like how you call people out for you're same exact practices.  

 

Like how you avoided your comment about me saying the reviewers were lying when in fact I said the opposite.   Glanced right past that one didn't you bud?

 

Of course you'll respond to it now.  You just accused me of avoidance.  

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, tom_w141 said:

Oh look who it is from page 1 when people actually discussed the OP before just saying "fuck the haters man"

I know, it is bad, but I first thought that 95C was core temps. (Which is VERY bad) But then I realized that it was the package temp, so meh. Not that big of a deal

[tom_w141]

2 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

I know, it is bad, but I first thought that 95C was core temps. (Which is VERY bad) But then I realized that it was the package temp, so meh. Not that big of a deal

He said core was not much lower. Guess we have to wait for the full video  

[Techstorm970]

19 hours ago, The Benjamins said:

TIM issues

What is TIM, exactly?