iOS 11: Marking the end of 32-bit Apps

[LAwLz]

3 hours ago, Commodus said:

AAC, ALAC, H.264, HEVC, HEIF and Thunderbolt are all true standards.

They are or were proprietary though.

 

3 hours ago, Commodus said:

Apple doesn't have a lock on them

Just because it's proprietary from some other company than Apple doesn't make them free and open.

 

3 hours ago, Commodus said:

(even ALAC is open source)

It became non-proprietary in 2011. That's 7 years after Apple introduced it.

 

3 hours ago, Commodus said:

anyone can use them, even if they need to get a license from a standards group

That does not make it free. H.264 is proprietary. Proprietary does not mean "anyone can use it". Proprietary means that the IP is copyrighted by one or more organizations/companies/people and they put limits on use, distribution and modifications.

 

4 hours ago, Commodus said:

I need to clarify: if Apple adopts someone else's technology, it's usually a real standard.

That I can agree with.

[ionbasa]

16 hours ago, LAwLz said:

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Except 100% of my list is correct. The problem is that you seem to think "proprietary" stands for "made by Apple and nobody else uses it". The reality is that proprietary means:

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Maybe I misunderstood, but your post specified:

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Apple has historically been God awful when it comes to adopting and/or creating their own proprietary standards

You specified "creating their own proprietary standards", and then listed technologies that weren't created by Apple. I never claimed Apple didn't use proprietary standards, but rather, that half your list wasn't actually created by Apple.

[NumLock21]

So let me get this straight. New ipad gets ios11 cannot run 32bit apps, while old ipad that cannot upgrade to ios11 can run both 32bit and 64bit?

So old ipad is better then!

[79wjd]

5 minutes ago, NumLock21 said:

So let me get this straight. New ipad gets ios11 cannot run 32bit apps, while old ipad that cannot upgrade to ios11 can run both 32bit and 64bit?

So old ipad is better then!

If you need to run apps that have been abandoned for years, then yes. 

[Colonel_Gerdauf]

15 minutes ago, NumLock21 said:

So let me get this straight. New ipad gets ios11 cannot run 32bit apps, while old ipad that cannot upgrade to ios11 can run both 32bit and 64bit?

So old ipad is better then!

Not really. Like I explained before, running 64-bit apps on 32-bit will introduce performance penalties, as you are going through emulators and wrappers in order to do so. Also, no apps updated after 2014 will support native 32-bit, and iDevices that support 64-bit will install and run 64-bit versions of said apps, without any kind of user choice in this matter (and this is a very good thing). The only thing this will affect are what are effectively abandonware, of which there are ALWAYS better and more recently updated alternatives.

[LAwLz]

6 hours ago, ionbasa said:

Maybe I misunderstood, but your post specified:

You specified "creating their own proprietary standards", and then listed technologies that weren't created by Apple. I never claimed Apple didn't use proprietary standards, but rather, that half your list wasn't actually created by Apple.

Yes you did misunderstand. What I said was:

"adopting and/or creating their own proprietary standards"

What I said was that they either adopt proprietary standards or create their own. That's what the "and/or" means.

If I was just talking about which proprietary things Apple has created then I would not have added that "adopting and/or" in the sentence. Adopting means taking something from someone else (as in, adopting a child). You can't adopt your own child to yourself, right?

 

 

5 hours ago, Colonel_Gerdauf said:

Like I explained before, running 64-bit apps on 32-bit will introduce performance penalties

[Citation Needed]

[Commodus]

On 6/19/2017 at 1:56 PM, LAwLz said:

They are or were proprietary though.

 

Just because it's proprietary from some other company than Apple doesn't make them free and open.

 

It became non-proprietary in 2011. That's 7 years after Apple introduced it.

 

That does not make it free. H.264 is proprietary. Proprietary does not mean "anyone can use it". Proprietary means that the IP is copyrighted by one or more organizations/companies/people and they put limits on use, distribution and modifications.

 

That I can agree with.

We're clearly using different terms here.

 

I'm using proprietary in the most literal sense: that it's developed largely by one company and isn't meant to be widely used.  In that sense, the technology I've listed isn't proprietary.  Not anymore, in the case of Thunderbolt or ALAC.

 

H.264, HEVC, HEIF... those are definitely all standards.  It might suck that there's frequently a royalty involved for commercial use, but they're run by standards groups and intended to be universal.  If we don't count them as standards, then you're arguing that all standards must be FOSS, and that's not really how it works.

[TechGod]

On 6/8/2017 at 0:38 AM, Master Disaster said:

Just another way Apple can force obsolescence onto hardware that otherwise is perfectly fine.

Is this a joke?

[TechGod]

On 6/17/2017 at 1:39 PM, samiscool51 said:

even though the 64-bit architecture is designed to have backwards compatibility without much problem?

if apple is saying thats it's not possible to run 32-bit programs on 64-bit hardware, the bullshit meter would explode

wait one sec

(gets out bullshit meter)

WE INTERRUPT THIS POST TO BRING YOU A BULLETIN NEWS STORY, a young couples house exploded at 11am, police say the cause was a bullshit meter that coulden't handle the amount of bulshit something was giving out, currently police don't know what thing caused it to explode but know that it was bullshit of the highest level.

next up: these puppies have fun at the local dog park with their adopted owner..

THEY HAVE NEVER CLAIMED THAT!!

 

People like you will make shit up just to bash Apple. 

[LAwLz]

5 hours ago, Commodus said:

We're clearly using different terms here.

 

I'm using proprietary in the most literal sense: that it's developed largely by one company and isn't meant to be widely used.  In that sense, the technology I've listed isn't proprietary.  Not anymore, in the case of Thunderbolt or ALAC.

 

H.264, HEVC, HEIF... those are definitely all standards.  It might suck that there's frequently a royalty involved for commercial use, but they're run by standards groups and intended to be universal.  If we don't count them as standards, then you're arguing that all standards must be FOSS, and that's not really how it works.

Well, your definition is wrong.

 

Standard and proprietary are not opposites. Something can be an industry standard and still be proprietary, aka de facto standard.

For example PDF was a proprietary format until 2008, but even today it has some proprietary components.

[Commodus]

1 hour ago, LAwLz said:

Well, your definition is wrong.

 

Standard and proprietary are not opposites. Something can be an industry standard and still be proprietary, aka de facto standard.

For example PDF was a proprietary format until 2008, but even today it has some proprietary components.

I get you.

 

Still, formats like H.264 and HEIF aren't proprietary in that sense!  No one company owns them.

[mr moose]

14 hours ago, TechGod said:

THEY HAVE NEVER CLAIMED THAT!!

 

People like you will make shit up just to bash Apple. 

you did read the "if" qualifier at the start of sams sentence  didn't you?  It means that sam is not making anything up, but pointing out that claims to the contrary would be BS. Not that the claims are necessarily being made in the first place.