[UPDATE #1] AMD readies AGESA microcode update to improve Ryzen DDR4 memory compatibility (finally!)

[JoeCoke]

34 minutes ago, MoonSpot said:

 

What are these problems/issues y'all are taking about?  the thing powers on, doesn't blow up, works and is highly competitive.  Where's the beef?

I know the issue they're talking about. It's not an intel processor.

[XenosTech]

1 minute ago, AnonymousGuy said:

 

What problems?  Intel hasn't had a launch close to this bad in the last 10 years.  Hell DDR4 has been in the consumer space for the last 3 years and AMD *still* fucked it up.

Notice I said in the past so if it happened a 100 years ago still doesn't change the fact that it happened.

[ARikozuM]

Does anyone happen to know why AMD couldn't or wouldn't use XMP? Does Intel own the full rights to it?

[MageTank]

Can someone wake me up when we get access to more than 6 timings for ram? Simplifying the most fun component to overclock simply isn't cool.

[leadeater]

6 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

Does anyone happen to know why AMD couldn't or wouldn't use XMP? Does Intel own the full rights to it?

Intel owns XMP, it's their technology.

[XenosTech]

7 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

Does anyone happen to know why AMD couldn't or wouldn't use XMP? Does Intel own the full rights to it?

XMP is for their cpu's, amd's is called something different

 

1 minute ago, MageTank said:

Can someone wake me up when we get access to more than 6 timings for ram? Simplifying the most fun component to overclock simply isn't cool.

How do you want to be woken up... a fanfare ? or good ole air horn ?

[ARikozuM]

3 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Intel owns XMP, it's their technology.

I know that, but didn't AMD's FX have a similar process for calling on the XMP?

[MageTank]

1 minute ago, ARikozuM said:

I know that, but didn't AMD's FX have a similar process for calling on the XMP?

DOCP I think. 

[Morgan MLGman]

Just now, MageTank said:

DOCP I think. 

I know that on FM2+, there's A.M.P. (AMD Memory Profile).

[leadeater]

1 hour ago, 2Buck said:

X99 wasn't a beta product either. Having a rough start doesn't make something a beta product. I know this is splitting hairs, but I point this out because saying something is factually beta when it's not is incorrect. (like some have done on this thread)

 

Anyone who acts surprised that a new architecture/platform is having problems is either new to this or is just looking to start fanboy fights. Early adopters know what they're getting themselves into, and if they don't then they should have done their research before buying into a new architecture.

 

1 hour ago, djdwosk97 said:

Skylake didn't have anywhere near the level of issues, neither did Haswell. But Haswell-E did. 

 

1 hour ago, Darth Revan said:

There's a difference between launching a new architecture that people have to understand how to get the best out of it, and launching an unfinished product and trying to fix it and finish it along the way.

 

42 minutes ago, XenosTech said:

It's kinda pointless talking to him and some others whose name I shall not mention when it comes to AMD... They blatantly ignore that intel had such problems in the past because you know intel doesn't have issues with their products.

 

Yea just like how our Intel based HP DL380 Gen9 servers didn't have firmware issues that caused ESXi to purple screen of death when using the internal dedicated SD card slots for ESXi, yep nothing in the last 10 year . It's not like we had 40 of these servers all in production running real live VMs or anything when the issue started to show itself.

 

The bigger and more complex the the architecture the higher the likelihood of issues, there have almost always been minor problems on the Intel HEDT/Server platforms it's just that some of them only show up in server use cases and not always desktop. The Ryzen architecture is more akin to HEDT and what everyone is complaining about isn't that serious at all, the system works but some ram manufactured before Ryzen isn't fully optimal which isn't that surprising. If it isn't crashing systems or corrupting data it isn't that serious plus is actively being improved.

[ARikozuM]

Just now, leadeater said:

The bigger and more complex the the architecture the higher the likelihood of issues, there have almost always been minor problems on the Intel HEDT/Server platforms it's just that some of them only show up in server use cases and not always desktop. The Ryzen architecture is more akin to HEDT and what everyone is complaining about isn't that serious at all, the system works but some ram manufactured before Ryzen isn't fully optimal which isn't that surprising. If it isn't crashing systems or corrupting data it isn't that serious plus is actively being improved.

INB4 "Isolated incident"...

[XenosTech]

1 minute ago, leadeater said:

 

 

 

 

Yea just like how our Intel based HP DL380 Gen9 servers didn't have firmware issues that caused ESXi to purple screen of death when using the internal dedicated SD card slots for ESXi, yep nothing in the last 10 year . It's not like we had 40 of these servers all in production running real live VMs or anything when the issue started to show itself.

 

The bigger and more complex the the architecture the higher the likelihood of issues, there have almost always been minor problems on the Intel HEDT/Server platforms it's just that some of them only show up in server use cases and not always desktop. The Ryzen architecture is more akin to HEDT and what everyone is complaining about isn't that serious at all, the system works but some ram manufactured before Ryzen isn't fully optimal which isn't that surprising. If it isn't crashing systems or corrupting data it isn't that serious plus is actively being improved.

I wasn't even going to mention that problem with the HP servers lol

[leadeater]

Just now, ARikozuM said:

INB4 "Isolated incident"...

So isolated it caused a global firmware update advisory by HP .

[ARikozuM]

2 minutes ago, leadeater said:

So isolated it caused a global firmware update advisory by HP .

Hopefully it came with an annoying tone over primetime television.

Spoiler

I'm joking.

 

[XenosTech]

1 minute ago, huilun02 said:

Its an entirely new series of processors on an entirely new chipset. Remember X99's smooth launch? 

Shhhh it was intel so it doesn't count

[Not_Sean]

3 hours ago, djdwosk97 said:

Skylake didn't have anywhere near the level of issues, neither did Haswell. But Haswell-E did. 

 That  my friend is because the last time intel innovated was around the same time Apple bothered with it. Since Sandybridge there has been very very little innovation in the consumer lineup only a new socket as a big middle finger to anyone wanting any form of a upgrade path. thats why so many people still gaming on second gen i5's and first gen i7's. both my redstone and Lapis build would be such a tiny TINY performance increase chaning to 7th gen. 

2 hours ago, AnonymousGuy said:

 

What problems?  Intel hasn't had a launch close to this bad in the last 10 years.  Hell DDR4 has been in the consumer space for the last 3 years and AMD *still* fucked it up.

Its not a Issue with DDR4 by itself, its a whole new architecture, basically its How it uses the ram. 

[79wjd]

6 hours ago, Not_Sean said:

 That  my friend is because the last time intel innovated was around the same time Apple bothered with it.

So then how come there were problems with X99? There was little innovate there too then. 

6 hours ago, Not_Sean said:

Its not a Issue with DDR4 by itself, its a whole new architecture, basically its How it uses the ram. 

The issue is the shitty IMC.

[79 Potatoes]

Meanwhile, RAM prices getting into the LUDICROUS alley

[TOMPPIX]

this is gonna be interesting, especially the 4000+ mhz memory benchmarks.

[Trixanity]

10 hours ago, AnonymousGuy said:

 

What problems?  Intel hasn't had a launch close to this bad in the last 10 years.  Hell DDR4 has been in the consumer space for the last 3 years and AMD *still* fucked it up.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4142/intel-discovers-bug-in-6series-chipset-begins-recall

A product recall and Anandtech calling out an overall bad chipset launch, so... Let's just sweep this one under the rug. 

[linustouchtips]

i can finally reach 3200 nirvana

[Loot]

the real question is how fast does the infinity fabric ripple ? is it stain and tear proof ?

[Phate.exe]

On 5/8/2017 at 9:10 AM, Morgan MLGman said:

Beyond 3200MHz the performance benefits are not worth the price difference. As long as most kits up to 3200MHz work, that'd be sufficient in my opinion.

As long as I can run my LPX 3200 at full speed, I'll be perfectly happy.

[XenosTech]

1 hour ago, Loot said:

the real question is how fast does the infinity fabric ripple ? is it stain and tear proof ?

Heard it was made from the finest spider silk and was engineered to be baby proof

[Jito463]

3 hours ago, Loot said:

the real question is how fast does the infinity fabric ripple ? is it stain and tear proof ?

It is stain proof, sadly it's not water proof.