A Rant about LTT's Latest $1000 Build Guide

[79wjd]

Just now, ONOTech said:

I'll play Devil's Advocate for a hot minute.

• AMD may not have released the Ryzen R5 series at the time of the video either.

R5 was launched almost a month ago, this video should have been released then if not just to not make LTT look bad. But even sticking with Intel, $1000 for a 580+7500 is bad. 

Just now, ONOTech said:

• It's a sponsored build, so they were already in the hole $250. This build is actually $750, and there's no way you can put an R5 1600 + GTX 1070 combo for $750 comfortable excluding mail-in-rebates and flash deals.

You can put an R5 1400 in for that price, and that will still be better. Or a 7600k+580+hdd+16gb of ram. There are a lot of better things they could have done. 

Just now, ONOTech said:

• 8 GB of RAM is fine for gaming.

That doesn't excuse the fact that money was poorly spent, they could've still gone with 8gb of ram and put that money towards a better system (although we're at the edge of 8gb being okay).

[Guest]

On 5/4/2017 at 10:41 PM, DocSwag said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  ($217.55 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: MSI B350 PC MATE ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($81.99 @ B&H) 
Memory: Team Dark 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($99.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Kingston HyperX Fury 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($80.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 8GB SC GAMING ACX 3.0 Black Edition Video Card  ($379.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: be quiet! Pure Base 600 (Black/Silver) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($79.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic 520W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($56.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Total: $997.49

<rant>

 

First of all cool build but Ryzen had problems with high speed memory sticks and so putting a memory that is not on motherboard QVL list might not work or might not guarantee it to reach its advertised speed

 

Second of all, PSU and cooler is not from BeQuiet. This is a BQ sponsored build, having only 1 BQ component that cost $80 doesn't feel sponsored at all

 

HyperX Fury is not a really great performing SSD much, it doesn't do any better than UV400 that was originally in the build. SL308 is a nice alternative for similar price. Yes the review below compares 120GB vs 240GB but the difference shouldn't be much but in most case, higher capacity usually have higher performance/speed.

Spoiler

http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Kingston-SSDNow-UV400-240GB-vs-HyperX-Fury-120GB/m137815vs2586

and some more, look up reviews

 

All that I am saying is

 

If you want to make an argument

 

Better

Make

It

BETTER

 

So here is my proposed list

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-7700 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($294.89 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! PURE ROCK 51.7 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($28.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI B250 PC MATE ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($80.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Team Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: SK hynix SL308 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($49.33 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($46.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon RX 580 8GB AORUS 8G Video Card  ($229.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: be quiet! Pure Base 600 w/Window (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($99.90 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Other: BQ Pure Power 10 500W ($55.90)
Total: $996.36
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-04 12:05 EDT-0400

 

Obviously you see the GPU power is worse than yours but instead:

 

Ryzen 5 or intel core i7? Well I want to stick with i7 for a while and it would be a more straightforward comparison. An i7 7700 is definately better than an i5 7600 in that build that Linus proposed originally. It's also on par with a Ryzen 5 iirc

 

The cooler is from BQ. LP cooler that costs ~5 dollars cheaper performs louder a bit which is what matters when putting an aftermarket cooler on a locked core i7

 

Motherboard is the cheapest ATX board for Kaby Lake (200 series)

 

A BQ case with window. Yes I can do that.

 

A BQ PSU, had to put custom part as pcpp doesn't show up most BQ PSU. It's a TIER 3 PSU with silver efficiency (lol that's rare af). Unfortunately it is non-modular.

 

Saved some extra bucks by getting a Seagate Barracuda instead of WD Blue.

 

Better SSD that costs also cheaper. Yeah right

Here is how it performs, very close to a 850 Evo.

Yes it's a budget build so few extra MB/s read/write won't matter but it's also cheap so why not?

Spoiler

Spoiler

And there are more benchmarks to validate my claim on this SSD

 

RAM sticks was chosen to match the black color scheme, Intel on the other hand doesn't have much RAM issues and does not benefit from higher speed RAM much. But in anycase the motherboard supports up to 2400Mhz anyway so having faster RAM will be a waste since it will be downclocked to 2400

 

The GPU was chosen since it's only a bit more than the regular Gigabyte G1 but have newer design and cooler than the old G1

Here is the proof, the first is G1

Spoiler

And now onto Auros card (note this is not the better XTR card). Yes the fan speed however are little higher but it manages to keep it all under 80 with random spike to 81.

Spoiler

 

</rant over>

edit: fixing my pictures

edit2: picture fixed

 

[SSL]

4 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

Yes, but it still hurts them.

 

The thing is, doing this builds not a loyal fanbase that will stick with you, but an unstable fanbase that is likely to abandon you. If you're looking to the future, a loyal fanbase that will stick to watching your videos is what you want, since an unstable fanbase leads to a lower view/sub ratio. 

 

Honesty counts for little in the corporate world. Doublespeak, backroom dealings, not-pologies - none of these things affect the flow of money.

 

As for a loyal "fanbase", there really isn't any such thing on a large scale in the real world. "Loyal" fans can turn on you and be lost pretty quickly, and that isn't always something that is easily controllable. In any case, statistics show that their channel is enjoying accelerating growth right now, so we have to assume that what they are doing is working.

[Indus Monk]

30 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

but they are starting to become a sort of corporation that stops paying attention to their real fan base for money.

This argument can be further backed up by the click bait thumbnails. According to the latest honest answers, they wanted to reach out to more people, which is why they went with the click bait thumb nail.

 

I have been a LTT subscriber for three years, and the only reason why i never sub to many channels is because of the click-bait thumbnails and the pointless faff. LTT used to bash things hard verbally, their bad innuendos and professionalism and commitment and honesty is what attracted me and has had subbed for 3 years now, I only watch LTT for tech, no JayzTwo, no Austin evans, no BitWit; just LTT. But now, it fells like the reasons to stick to LTT are slipping

[Syntaxvgm]

13 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

R5 was launched almost a month ago, this video should have been released then if not just to not make LTT look bad. But even sticking with Intel, $1000 for a 580+7500 is bad. 

You can put an R5 1400 in for that price, and that will still be better. Or a 7600k+580+hdd+16gb of ram. There are a lot of better things they could have done. 

That doesn't excuse the fact that money was poorly spent, they could've still gone with 8gb of ram and put that money towards a better system (although we're at the edge of 8gb being okay).

8GiB isn't good for regular shit anymore in my experience, having a couple of laptops that I haven't bothered bumping  to 16 yet, im hitting a wall a lot, especially with photoshop. And how you spend 1k on a PC and end up with an amount of memory that I would classify as budget is beyond me. I mean consoles have 8GB of memory. Yah, it's shared, but come on. Be better than consoles for 1k

 

I even question only 8 for just gaming alone, even if you're gonna spend money on a PC and only use it for one thing, like I did. My gaming PC only has 16GB of memory, because I though that's all I needed and can add more later. But I did consider that I needed 16 and 8 wouldn't be enough. And I hardly use that one for anything but gaming and as an HTPC. My budget was much higher, but I wouldn't have built a machine with 8 even if my budget was say 500. 

[NinJake]

Throwing this out there... I really only use the LTT forum anymore. The LTT videos I have stopped watching over a year ago. It's been said and I will restate, it's all about that $$$!

[Guest]

I was going to post something similar to these opinions in the video thread, but didn't want to get jumped on by a bunch of die hard LMG Blowjob enthusiasts 

 

Sponsored videos are fine IMO, they have their place. A build guide which is basically what people watch when they have a particular budget, want the most they can get out of their money and also want it to look good/know what they're going to end up with.

 

Using parts simply because your sponsor asked you to, rather than because they're what's most appropriate for the build, is borderline... 

 

[flibberdipper]

35 minutes ago, mrchow19910319 said:

 Compare to its older build guide, this video's editing is not that great too.... so ....

I felt that we are beating the dead horse right now. 

 

The horse is so dead that it's just a skeleton at this point.

[vorticalbox]

5 minutes ago, NinJake said:

Throwing this out there... I really only use the LTT forum anymore. The LTT videos I have stopped watching over a year ago. It's been said and I will restate, it's all about that $$$!

I literally only watch the wan show, everything else is just click bait "fun" videos full of sexual jokes that a 12 year old would make. 

 

probably getting a warning but I wish oc3d did more videos. They are I'm depth and honest. 

[Syntaxvgm]

1 minute ago, tmcclelland455 said:

The horse is so dead that it's just a skeleton at this point.

[sliq]

Just want to add.. Why did Linus insist on putting thermal paste first, then flipping it around to attach brackets etc.

 

He even says a few seconds later to reapply thermal paste that might have been smeared by accident while doing those things..It makes no sense..Just put thermal paste on as soon as you are ready to mount the cooler? 

[NinJake]

Just now, vorticalbox said:

I literally only watch the wan show, everything else is just click bait "fun" videos full of sexual jokes that a 12 year old would make. 

 

probably getting a warning but I wish oc3d did more videos. They are I'm depth and honest. 

Not to mention in today's day and age... with access to the all-powerful internet and what not...

 

Just do research from multiple sources, don't JUST watch LTT and say, OK I'm doing this now!

[vorticalbox]

1 minute ago, NinJake said:

Not to mention in today's day and age... with access to the all-powerful internet and what not...

 

Just do research from multiple sources, don't JUST watch LTT and say, OK I'm doing this now!

i normally spend hours doing research before buying anything however, most people don't. They want advice that is easy to follow even if it not the best advice.

 

[NinJake]

Just now, vorticalbox said:

i normally spend hours doing research before buying anything however, most people don't. They want advice that is easy to follow even if it not the best advice.

 

This is why we can't have nice things.

[vorticalbox]

1 minute ago, NinJake said:

This is why we can't have nice things.

 haha yeah. I won't be leaving the community because I don't luke their videos as much now.

 

This community is great. 

[cj09beira]

27 minutes ago, SSL said:

 

Honesty counts for little in the corporate world. Doublespeak, backroom dealings, not-pologies - none of these things affect the flow of money.

 

As for a loyal "fanbase", there really isn't any such thing on a large scale in the real world. "Loyal" fans can turn on you and be lost pretty quickly, and that isn't always something that is easily controllable. In any case, statistics show that their channel is enjoying accelerating growth right now, so we have to assume that what they are doing is working.

i guess its up to the morals of the company, i would never reduce quality for quantity, if that means slower growth so be it 

[DocSwag]

28 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

To be frank, copying anyone's build log down to the exact hardware, no matter how reputable or whatever they are, is doing a build wrong. Use a build log for ideas, not for your actual build. If you're copying someone's build log to the letter, you're not thinking for yourself. But if you're someone who just wants a PC to play games on and decides to follow a random build, then okay.

 

I mean, people still buy pre-built systems despite the PCMR telling them how ducking glorious and money saving it is to build your own.

Agreed, but they're still usually used as a base for a build, which means people will be following it relatively closely.

25 minutes ago, deXxterlab97 said:

-snippidy dippidy-

First of all, woah why are you here

 

Second of all, yeah that's probably a better build, but it only backs up my main point that the build was wayyyyyyyy hooorrrribbbbllly unbalanced.

 

As for the RAM sticks, they were just cheap so I said why not.

24 minutes ago, SSL said:

 

Honesty counts for little in the corporate world. Doublespeak, backroom dealings, not-pologies - none of these things affect the flow of money.

 

As for a loyal "fanbase", there really isn't any such thing on a large scale in the real world. "Loyal" fans can turn on you and be lost pretty quickly, and that isn't always something that is easily controllable. In any case, statistics show that their channel is enjoying accelerating growth right now, so we have to assume that what they are doing is working.

Youtube is very much a different type of thing to be on though.

 

Growth doesn't correlate to views, either.

 

I looked back a year and while LTT is getting less views on average, I believe the amount by which their average views/video has increased is less than their subscriber increase. Evidencing my point that loyal fans can be more important.

 

My point is, being honest SHOULD be in the interest of LTT right now.

[XHAD]

yeah his top amazon items build found here-

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1f6C3JFH8_HeF3bVK-WlIxD8JKXbEJIUf9dMGhzXqHAY/edit#gid=0 

has his PC listings to totaling around 1800 dollars AFTER mouse, keyboard, monitor and headset I mean come on that is around 1000 bucks if I am not mistaken the point is that yes it is a sponsored video but I don't understand why not do a build using these parts? If I was LTT I would do another build using these parts that the viewers have picked out not your sponsor.

[DocSwag]

45 minutes ago, XHAD said:

yeah his top amazon items build found here-

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1f6C3JFH8_HeF3bVK-WlIxD8JKXbEJIUf9dMGhzXqHAY/edit#gid=0 

has his PC listings to totaling around 1800 dollars AFTER mouse, keyboard, monitor and headset I mean come on that is around 1000 bucks if I am not mistaken the point is that yes it is a sponsored video but I don't understand why not do a build using these parts? If I was LTT I would do another build using these parts that the viewers have picked out not your sponsor.

I don't think that's really relevant tho, this is just a build for the pc, not monitor and peripherals.

[DoctorWho1975]

This is what I posted on the video thread.. makes sense here too. 

It used to be a YouTuber techy being married to Intel and/or NVidia was no big deal. Now that Ryzen is out, and competes well with Intel that is no longer the case.. and the longer the marriage is in place, more they will be getting called on it.

[vorticalbox]

1 hour ago, DocSwag said:

I don't think that's really relevant tho, this is just a build for the pc, not monitor and peripherals.

I tho k his point was when you take all that out you are left with a build around $1000.

[mrchow19910319]

3 hours ago, tmcclelland455 said:

The horse is so dead that it's just a skeleton at this point.

The forum is so much better in terms of information about pc building and other stuff. 

I hope this forum is here forever. 

His youtube channel? I dont really care after seeing the trend lately. 

[SSL]

39 minutes ago, mrchow19910319 said:

The forum is so much better in terms of information about pc building and other stuff. 

I hope this forum is here forever. 

His youtube channel? I dont really care after seeing the trend lately. 

 

The forum has it's own problems, which I have discussed elsewhere. 

[DocSwag]

10 minutes ago, SSL said:

 

The forum has it's own problems, which I have discussed elsewhere. 

Overall though I think it's pretty good, with people that are much more educated than those in other places like r/buildapc

[Princess Luna]

I suppose they will make another "honest answers" video addressing this issue and trying to justify it? eh...