Intel Exclusive Techologies -- What do I lose by choosing Ryzen?

[CubeTheThird]

With Ryzen now a thing, and becoming more and more of a good choice in terms of price per dollar, I'm wondering what is lost by going AMD instead of Intel. I know there are various exclusive technologies like Thunderbolt, but I haven't been able to find a comprehensive list that applies specifically to desktop CPUs and PCs. I am thus looking for feedback from the community to fill in the blanks.

[Himommies]

Not many things Important.The most important part is bragging to your friends that you have a i7.Saying I have a 1800x Dosent have the same effect as Extreeme intel i7 Cpu(6800k)

[shadowbyte]

Optane, but that's only on z200 series motherboards with 7xxx series chips, so pretty narrow. Besides, Optane is pretty pointless for owners of z200 series motherboards and 7xxx chips, as many will probably have an SSD anyway

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, CubeTheThird said:

I'm wondering what is lost by going AMD instead of Intel.

Paying for the "privilege" to overclock.

[RadiatingLight]

Thunderbolt 3 (and all other previous versions of thunderbolt)

Optane

 

 

[RadiatingLight]

1 minute ago, FriendlyNonMurderingSort said:

Netflix 4k.

Don't you mean:

 

Intel^TM Patented^TM Netflix^TM UHD^TM technology with Kaby Lake^TM CPUs^TM

[Princess Luna]

2 minutes ago, FriendlyNonMurderingSort said:

Netflix 4k.

Except all you need is a Maxwell/Pascal graphics card and you're good to go.

[captain_to_fire]

4 minutes ago, FriendlyNonMurderingSort said:

Thunderbolt.

 

Optane.

 

Netflix 4k DRM.

 

Not a technology, but a superior fabrication node, and more refined. It shows as a sizable proportion of people managing to hit 5GHz on air, with Ryzen hitting a voltage wall around 4.1GHz.

Pretty much this ??

[RadiatingLight]

1 minute ago, Princess Cadence said:

Except all you need is a Maxwell/Pascal graphics card and you're good to go.

...No.

 

Look up the 4K Netflix shitshow.

 

Netflix only has the option to stream in 4K when using Microsoft Edge (not that bad TBH), and a Kaby Lake CPU, which not many people have.

[Princess Luna]

28 minutes ago, CubeTheThird said:

Thunderbolt

I have never used it in my life and I pretty much live in function of the computers... optane? that's a joke

 

And Quicksync is good but I'd still rather have one extra core instead of the iGPU.

[CubeTheThird]

6 minutes ago, shadowbyte said:

Optane, but that's only on z200 series motherboards with 7xxx series chips, so pretty narrow. Besides, Optane is pretty pointless for owners of z200 series motherboards and 7xxx chips, as many will probably have an SSD anyway

Sadly that's probably the only thing I could see myself using, but I would need to know how much you can play with it. If it can be used and accessed similarly to any type of on-board storage, I could see it being particularly useful, even with an SSD (mostly on Linux though).

 

Thunderbold I can't see being particularly useful since I'm building a desktop anyways.

 

4K Netflix it completely out of the question since:

• You still have to stream it (limited by bandwidth)
• Requires a 4K display
• Requires Windows 10 (I use Linux)

I'm wondering if any of the so called "Virtualisation technologies" would be useful, or even have an impact should I (for example) run a VM.

[CubeTheThird]

5 minutes ago, RadiatingLight said:

Don't you mean:

 

Intel^TM Patented^TM Netflix^TM UHD^TM technology with Kaby Lake^TM CPUs^TM

HAHAHA, can we say IPNUKLC for short?

[Princess Luna]

6 minutes ago, RadiatingLight said:

...No.

 

Look up the 4K Netflix shitshow.

Is that so yet? I could swear I read an article where there had been added support through driver update, well that's stupid to say the least, seems like if you want 4k on Ryzen/skylake you have to go thepiratebay now? lol at least amazon has decent shows.

[typographie]

9 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Except all you need is a Maxwell/Pascal graphics card and you're good to go.

You may know something that I don't, but last I knew you had to use a Kaby Lake iGPU and Microsoft Edge for Netflix 4K streaming. I think Polaris/Pascal GPUs are technical capable, but this is an arbitrary DRM restriction. Apparently film studios are really, really uptight about allowing their content to stream at 4K on PCs.

 

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/update-netflix-4k-streaming-on-a-windows-10-pc-tested-with-gpus.html

[Princess Luna]

3 minutes ago, typographie said:

snip

I know, like I said above, I pretty much read a faulty article most likely, oh DRM's gotta hate those so much, even if I could potentially watch it since I have a Kaby Lake I think this is beyond stupid.

 

By the way.... does that mean I'd need to use the iGPU to watch it? because now I got all confused.

[themctipers]

I use quicksync, so I guess I'll lose that

 

macOS hackintosh compatibility 

games perform a tiny bit better vs a 7700k

bragging rights

my family's sustained Intel CPU purchases from 1988? To 2017 (yes we have a fuck ton of first hand pentium 4's when the Athlon was fucking up the p4

yes we have a extreme edition p4, and a PD)

[Guest]

31 minutes ago, CubeTheThird said:

With Ryzen now a thing, and becoming more and more of a good choice in terms of price per dollar, I'm wondering what is lost by going AMD instead of Intel. I know there are various exclusive technologies like Thunderbolt, but I haven't been able to find a comprehensive list that applies specifically to desktop CPUs and PCs. I am thus looking for feedback from the community to fill in the blanks.

You lose hyperthreading, XMP, non RGB stock cooler, quicksync, Intel Tubo boost

[MageTank]

8 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

I know, like I said above, I pretty much read a faulty article most likely, oh DRM's gotta hate those so much, even if I could potentially watch it since I have a Kaby Lake I think this is beyond stupid.

 

By the way.... does that mean I'd need to use the iGPU to watch it? because now I got all confused.

You also need a 200 series chipset. Poor @Lays learned that the hard way, lol. 

[RansiK]

intel vt-x (hardware virtualization), but with ryzen im betting more support for amd-v will come out (been pretty lack in the amd-v the past few years)

[Princess Luna]

11 minutes ago, MageTank said:

You also need a 200 series chipset. Poor @Lays learned that the hard way, lol. 

Gee when I thought it couldn't get any worse... quite the dick move when Intel on purpose didn't make a h210 because supposedly there was no need to upgrade the low budget mobos... I originally had the 6700 and only upgraded to the 7700 because I managed to sell it on a build a friend of my dad asked me to make for his son a gift for passing college, and I did it mostly to help out the Titan not getting bottleneck, but were I to do it for this netflix content, boy I would be angry.

[CubeTheThird]

41 minutes ago, deXxterlab97 said:

You lose hyperthreading, XMP, non RGB stock cooler, quicksync, Intel Tubo boost

Considering AMD has SMT, which is similar to hyperthreading, and AMD Turbo Core, similar to Turbo boost, I wouldn't really consider these to be losses.

 

It's also not surprising that quicksync is lost since the current releases for Ryzen don't have IGPUs, which is how it works on Intel's side.

[Lays]

1 hour ago, MageTank said:

You also need a 200 series chipset. Poor @Lays learned that the hard way, lol. 

No, you need a board with a special chip, only a handful of boards have it

[DrMikeNZ]

2 hours ago, CubeTheThird said:

I'm wondering what is lost by going AMD instead of Intel.

Decent AVX2 performance.

[CubeTheThird]

11 minutes ago, DrMikeNZ said:

Decent AVX2 performance.

Do you have any sources comparing the performance for this?

[DrMikeNZ]

3 minutes ago, CubeTheThird said:

Do you have any sources comparing the performance for this?

Does my i7 6900K and R7 1700 count as sources?

 

I don't recall any benchmarks published with heavy AVX2 applications, not that many programs use it. It isn't an issue for gamers where the Ryzen CPUs are marketed for.

As the Ryzen architecture requires combining two AVX 128 bit registers to perform 256bit AVX2, it drops to half the performance, eliminating its advantage of having twice the number of cores over the 7700K when performing this sort of workload.