Any downsides to Ryzen?

[atavax]

overall i think people are overly optimistic about it. I still think i'm probably going to buy one, but It isn't going to blow Intel away. Infact for gaming which is what most people need a high end CPU for, I wouldn't be surprised if Intel was still king. So far the leaked benchmarks still show Ryzen solidly behind in single threaded performance.We still have no idea how well it will overclock, maybe you'll get the 1800x to 5.2Ghz, but i think 4.2Ghz-4.6Ghz is probably more likely to be the ceiling. I'll be happy if i get a 1800x and am able to overclock it to 4.6Ghz with an AIO.

[TVwazhere]

5 hours ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

• too little RAM support (Prefer minimum of 128GB, preferably 256GB or 512GB)
• too few PCI-E slots (would like at least 6 or 7 x16 physical slots.  At least 50% have to be x16 electrically, the rest: minimum x8)
• too few SATA ports (prefer a minimum of 12)
• may not still be in-place upgradeable in 10 years.  (I've previously explained how I prefer replacing the case, motherboard & PSU at the same time, and how I'd like to do a few large-$/performance jump CPU upgrades over the life of a board, every few years or so.)

128GB minimum? Damn. 

[Laggger164]

4 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

A product that hasn't officially launch yet and there's already doubts on its performance. What a bunch of negativity in this thread.

 

Ryzen will be awesome! It will be so awesome, that everytime you power that sucker, it will create a magical rainbow in your computer.

Not everyone is that positive tho.

[TVwazhere]

1 minute ago, Laggger164 said:

Not everyone is that positive tho.

Yeah but.... Rainbows....

[dexT]

12 hours ago, dizmo said:

AMD hasn't had the best track record for benchmarking fairly. They almost never live up to what they claim.

You member Intel's faked benchmarks and how they lost the lawsuit against them? 

 

I member.

[Laggger164]

1 minute ago, dexT said:

You member Intel's faked benchmarks and how they lost the lawsuit against them? 

 

I member.

I don't, when did it happen?

[dizmo]

4 minutes ago, dexT said:

You member Intel's faked benchmarks and how they lost the lawsuit against them? 

 

I member.

That was 17 years ago.

[Laggger164]

2 minutes ago, dizmo said:

That was 17 years ago.

I wasn't even alive back then...

[dizmo]

2 minutes ago, Laggger164 said:

I wasn't even alive back then...

That doesn't surprise me.

[dexT]

Just now, dizmo said:

That was 17 years ago.

It was. It still happened though.

[dizmo]

14 minutes ago, dexT said:

It was. It still happened though.

AMD was sued by their own investors as little as 3 years ago, as well as a class action suit a year before that.

[dexT]

4 minutes ago, dizmo said:

AMD was sued by their own investors as little as 3 years ago, as well as a class action suit a year before that.

That was for overestimating sales success to their investors not putting out faked public benchmarks. 

 

The class action was the whole 8/4 core argument of Bulldozer. Again, not for faked benchmarks.

[dizmo]

1 minute ago, dexT said:

That was overestimating sales success to their investirs not putting out faked public benchmarks. 

 

The class action was the whole 8/4 core argument of Bulldozer. Again, not for faked benchmarks.

If they're willing to mislead their investors just imagine what they'd be willing to do to people they really owe nothing to.

Still shows a modus operandi.

[dexT]

1 minute ago, dizmo said:

If they're willing to mislead their investors just imagine what they'd be willing to do to people they really owe nothing to.

Still shows a modus operandi.

AMD thought and said their chip was going sell well and it didn't. Not as bad as intentionally faking benchmarks for the public consumers.

[PianoPlayer88Key]

3 hours ago, TVwazhere said:

128GB minimum? Damn. 

My current desktop supports (and has) 32GB, and my previous desktop had 4GB.  (The board supported 16, but OS effectively supported 3.)

I'd like my next one to at least multiply RAM support by a similar factor.  

Spoiler

 

(32÷4=8, so 32×8=256.  Alternatively, 32÷3=10.667, so 32×10.667=341.33, but since RAM support is usually related to 2^x, jump to 512GB, or if triple-channel, 384GB .)

Yesterday my brother was telling me he might need 256GB in his next desktop, but he's not ready to upgrade yet from his 4770K.

 

 

I was originally planning to keep my 4790K to like 2022, but I'm feeling the pinch of 32GB RAM, and video encoding is horrendously slow (not real-time or faster).

Also I'd like to correct mistakes I made on my current build, and get a platform that'll last 10+ years.  (Maybe I should wait for Zen+, LGA2066, Naples, or LGA3647, but I'd really like to do it at LGA11xx or AM4 prices.)  If I DO go RyZen, I'll need to figure on managing the compromises.

 

The 128GB was mentioned partly in error, because that's what current HEDT Intel boards support. (But I don't want to pay the LGA2xxx tax.)

 

I wouldnt need to populate it all now, but would like the room for expansion.  

Spoiler

I'd likely start with 64 GB.  I like running VMs, editing video, running lots of memory-intensive programs, etc.

 

[Bouzoo]

15 hours ago, Gene Starwind said:

There is almost no chance of that at this point.

 

Seriously, if this performs as expected

You do see the irony here? 

[Gene Starwind]

11 hours ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

I'm hoping Intel releases a 6c/12t CPU on LGA1151.  Right now my laptop (which has that socket, yes) has an i7-6700K, and if I could get a 6c/12t chip in a couple years on Black Friday for a decent price,  I might go for it.  (Won't buy on launch day, though; would prefer to wait until the first non-compatible SKU is released, then get the compatible CPU.)  If not, it's no big deal.

 

As for the desktop, possible upgrade ... I'm poking along with an LGA1150-based i7-4790K, on an ASRock Z97 Extreme6.  I'm hoping to make a jump to Ryzen, but a few downsides for me include:

• too little RAM support (Prefer minimum of 128GB, preferably 256GB or 512GB)
• too few PCI-E slots (would like at least 6 or 7 x16 physical slots.  At least 50% have to be x16 electrically, the rest: minimum x8)
• too few SATA ports (prefer a minimum of 12)
• may not still be in-place upgradeable in 10 years.  (I've previously explained how I prefer replacing the case, motherboard & PSU at the same time, and how I'd like to do a few large-$/performance jump CPU upgrades over the life of a board, every few years or so.)

I wish there was a Ryzen board like the ASRock X99 WS-E, ASUS X99-E WS,  ASUS Z10PE-D16 WS, etc, with the AMD discount.  (My budget for a board would be up to around $300.  Hopefully on the ones like I described, the AMD discount's percentage would be similar to how much cheaper the CPUs are than what rumors say the Intel equivalent performers are.)

 

And, like others have said, we don't yet know the actual performance.  I'd be elated if an R7 1700X or similar CPU would leapfrog Intel *lake's IPC, or at least pull 200+ in Cinebench R15 single-threaded at stock non-boost frequency, but I'd be content if it's comparable to my 4790K or 6700K in IPC, and double in multi-threaded tasks.  (Being able to go from, say, 5-6 fps, to like 10-15 fps in video encoding, like 4K H.264, would be a huge benefit for me.  Ideally I'd like 30 or 60 fps, but I'm not willing to pay the server tax.)

You better keep hoping, because they are basically re-re-releasing Skylake.  

 

How are you using a 4790k, but need 128gb of DDR4?  

 

You better buy that shit quick... lol

[Gene Starwind]

2 hours ago, Bouzoo said:

You do see the irony here? 

 

No...  There is a huge gray area between failure, and nearly Broadwell-e performance.

[Qwweb]

3 hours ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

Yesterday my brother was telling me he might need 256GB in his next desktop, but he's not ready to upgrade yet from his 4770K.

You do know that the only CPUs that support >128GB of RAM are Xeons and Opterons right?...

[Cyborgsmith]

16 hours ago, Laggger164 said:

Some features are not present on Ryzen that Intel has, like Thunderbolt for example, the other stuff that they put in Kaby lake, nothing major tho.

Ya no 4k Netflix. Huge downside...

[Princess Luna]

The true downside is not having knowledge of the downsides yet

[Princess Luna]

1 minute ago, Cyborgsmith said:

Ya no 4k Netflix. Huge downside...

You can still watch it if you have a Maxwell or Pascal nVidia so....

[Gene Starwind]

1 hour ago, Cyborgsmith said:

Ya no 4k Netflix. Huge downside...

I am jealous of people without data caps... How do you do it!? 

[Cyborgsmith]

8 minutes ago, Gene Starwind said:

I am jealous of people without data caps... How do you do it!? 

Ha, ya 180Mbps down plus no data cap (at least not that's enforced) is amazing. I regularly use over a terabyte a month, by myself. 

[Gene Starwind]

4 minutes ago, Cyborgsmith said:

Ha, ya 180Mbps down plus no data cap (at least not that's enforced) is amazing. I regularly use over a terabyte a month, by myself. 

I pay $100 per month for 25 Mbps, and I only have 500gb of data.

 

I usually end up going over, which cost $10 per 50gb.   The bill was $150 last month...  

 

Fucking scam monopolies!