Youtube's Unskippable 30-second Ads Are Going Away

[Enderman]

18 minutes ago, Teddy07 said:

Slightly annoying but i just mute the tab and use the time for other things

Or just press F5, so that you get a skippable ad, wait 5 seconds then skip it.

It's not hard....

[dexT]

Just now, Kloaked said:

Yes. Creators gotta eat.

Yeah they'll do alright without my 100th of a cent. 

[Guest Kloaked]

1 minute ago, dexT said:

Yeah they'll do alright without my 100th of a cent. 

You and tons of other people think that, which adds up.

[79wjd]

2 minutes ago, Kloaked said:

You and tons of other people think that, which adds up.

But the thing is that most people won't do it. It's like piracy -- the people who pirate content generally wouldn't have paid to watch it anyway. So if everyone blocked ads, then sure, it would matter, but most people wouldn't.

[Drak3]

1 hour ago, Enderman said:

Pressing a single key is definitely easy...

How lazy are you??

On mobile press back and click the video again?

It will reload a new add which isn't unskippable.

 

But that's a whole keystroke. Might as well ask me to serve you the moon on a silver platter.

[dexT]

1 minute ago, Kloaked said:

You and tons of other people think that, which adds up.

I'm not willing to risk accidentally clicking an ad injected with malware.

[Guest Kloaked]

3 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

But the thing is that most people won't do it. It's like piracy -- the people who pirate content generally wouldn't have paid to watch it anyway.

I think that form of piracy isn't a close enough analogy in this case, in my opinion. You're not paying anything except a few seconds of your time for something you're getting for "free" anyways.

Just now, dexT said:

I'm not willing to risk accidentally clicking an ad injected with malware.

I personally think this argument is just some token people use. Yes, some ads can be malicious but those are very few and are on certain websites that are sketchy anyways. I don't think you're going to be clicking on a malicious ad on Youtube.

[dexT]

1 minute ago, Kloaked said:

I personally think this argument is just some token people use. Yes, some ads can be malicious but those are very few and are on certain websites that are sketchy anyways. I don't think you're going to be clicking on a malicious ad on Youtube.

It's certainly possible.

[Techicolors]

don't think i'll notice this change until my trial with youtube red ends

[paddy-stone]

I'd more welcome them not throttling the video stream. I get approx 52Mbps download max, and of that I get within 95% max all the time. I can guarantee that I am the sole user of the bandwidth in my house when I watch youtube vids early mornings, yet when I watch a video stream on youtube the video often gets lagged and stutters or pauses outright while waiting for the video to buffer. I don't get that anywhere else that I frequently visit. And when I get the problems on youtube, I automatically test my network connection and check my router etc for users that shouldn't be there.. and everything is fine every time. It's bollocks that youtube does this, the streams on 1080p settings are compressed enough that it probably uses like 5Mbps max, yet a user that can get 52Mbps gets stuttery, fucked up video playback... OK, I know that the video itself might be being viewed by many thousands of people at a time, but seriously this is a multi-billion dollar company here, and your main purpose is serving vids, pull your head out of your asses and do something about the lag/buffering.

And on the main topic... just use a VPN if you can. I use a different language server than my own, so don't care what the adverts are, as I can't read/speak that language, so can do something else while waiting for my normal language video to kick in, lol

 

[kirashi]

3 hours ago, BlueChinchillaEatingDorito said:

• They're as shit not like the 5 minutes of constant ads you get on actual TV.
• People get it wrapped up in their heads that the internet is "free", so everything on it should be "free", when it's not.

• You're right - if TV networks had ads similar to Dollar Shave Club's ad, maybe I'd enjoy them, but until then, nope.
• For me, it's not about the "free internet pitchfork mob" mentality - it's about unreasonable bandwidth caps. (see reply below)

3 hours ago, Kloaked said:

The problem for me personally is that it used up data for me when I just wanted to watch a quick video.

This. Until bandwidth caps becomes more reasonable (or are eliminated), we're essentially paying our ISP's to watch advertisements.

3 hours ago, deXxterlab97 said:

YouTube on TV doesn't have adblocker rip

You're right, but my router does.  Adblocking for ALL the things!

2 hours ago, Enderman said:

Any regular 21st century mobile phone plan can load a youtube video in seconds...........

Except when you're not located in a large metropolitan city. And even when I visit relative in Vancouver, my phone still takes 5-15 seconds to smoothly stream any type of video content due to latency. @dalekphalm sums it up quite nicely below:

2 hours ago, dalekphalm said:

...people worldwide still have issues with terrible cell reception.

Is this the fault of their Carrier? Yep.

Can the user do anything about it? Generally no.

Hell, even in Canada, there are lots of dead zones and areas with crappy cell reception. Especially in the more rural areas.

This is true, even in medium sized cities where cell reception is actually a decent 4-5 bars most of the time. Where I'm located, there are random stretches of road where you'll drop down to 1 bar, or flat-out receive no service at all. Or, if you're really lucky, you'll connect to a tower over in Sechelt, BC and be charged out the butt for "long distance" if you don't happen to have a newer plan with it included.

2 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

Is a 900MHz phone also mobile phone?

You're technically correct - the best kind of correct.

1 hour ago, Enderman said:

Or just press F5, so that you get a skippable ad, wait 5 seconds then skip it.

It's not hard....

We shouldn't have to pay for more bandwidth just to skip an ad. In fact, ads shouldn't count toward bandwidth at all. That's the same as paying a lot of money for high end clothing simply because it has a brand name logo on it. If you like it, then great! I'm happy for you, enjoy it. I, however, believe we should pay far less if clothing has branding on it since we're effectively advertising for free, similar to how we are paying our ISPs for bandwidth to watch ads.

1 hour ago, dexT said:

I'm not willing to risk accidentally clicking an ad injected with malware.

1 hour ago, Kloaked said:

I personally think this argument is just some token people use. Yes, some ads can be malicious but those are very few and are on certain websites that are sketchy anyways. I don't think you're going to be clicking on a malicious ad on Youtube.

Nope, it's happened before, and it will happen again. A recent snafu with Spotify's Free platform actually just experienced this. IT was reported that a malicious banner ad managed to slip its' way past the advertising networks and into the Spotify Free ad rotation. I do not want to go into further details about this subject, but you can certain find reports all over the internet. https://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/16/10/09/208249/a-spotify-ad-slipped-malware-onto-pcs-and-macs

 

This isn't limited to Spotify however; even legitimate Technology Blogs have advertisements purporting "Free PC Tune Ups" and "Problems with your PC? Click here!" to innocent victims looking for advice for a problem. On one hand, this is a user awareness problem. On the other, at what point do we say Hey, wait a minute; this isn't just misleading, it's morally wrong and about the equivalent of a fake steak knife salesman? So yeah, as @dexT said, I too am not willing to wade through potentially malicious advertisements, and I sure as heck am not going to let my residential or small business clients do so either.

[Scruffy90]

I'm ok with preroll ads, im ok with ending ads, but I am disliking this bullshit everyone is doing of throwing ads in an arbitrary location within the middle or 3/4 portion of the video. It's annoying as fuck.

[alexcheetah]

I block all ads, can't stand any of them. If someone wants me to watch a you tube ad, the youtuber has to do it themselves.

[Scruffy90]

2 hours ago, Enderman said:

Or just press F5, so that you get a skippable ad, wait 5 seconds then skip it.

It's not hard....

i've had bad luck with this recently. All the ads I get when refreshing are the same.

[TechGod]

3 hours ago, Enderman said:

I think you might be special, or you might be getting scammed by your ISP.

Nobody else has an issue of it taking half a minute to load a video, and unskippable ads are so rare that it pretty much doesn't matter since you can just refresh the page.

 

I think this is more of a problem of 1) you having the worst mobile internet speeds in the world and 2) you not being too impatient or lazy to refresh a page.

Wow. Are you OK? Mobile speeds aren't always consistent. Some places here in NZ have close to 120Mbps and then some places drop to like 2 or 3 Mbps on 3G. You must not commute a lot if you consistently have fast mobile internet. 

[Enderman]

3 minutes ago, TechGod said:

Wow. Are you OK? Mobile speeds aren't always consistent. Some places here in NZ have close to 120Mbps and then some places drop to like 2 or 3 Mbps on 3G. You must not commute a lot if you consistently have fast mobile internet. 

On 2mbps it should not take 30 seconds for a youtube video to start loading...

You need like 20kbps for a youtube video to take half a minute to play.

[TechGod]

2 minutes ago, Enderman said:

On 2mbps it should not take 30 seconds for a youtube video to start loading...

You need like 20kbps for a youtube video to take half a minute to play.

No. You have never used a 2Mbps connection have you? I have. I had a 2Mbps connection with like 40 ping as my HOME internet and YouTube hardly worked. 

 

Stop. Talking. About. Things. You. Don't. Know. About. 

[Enderman]

2 minutes ago, TechGod said:

No. You have never used a 2Mbps connection have you? I have. I had a 2Mbps connection with like 40 ping as my HOME internet and YouTube hardly worked. 

 

Stop. Talking. About. Things. You. Don't. Know. About. 

Yes I have.

Obviously if you try to watch at 1080p it will be pretty slow, but the video still loads.

 

Maybe you don't understand what loading means?

It's when your youtube player is black with a circle in the middle and you can't press play, that's when it's loading.

This does not happen on a 2mbps connection, the video loads in a few seconds, usually less than a second, and you can immediately press play.

[TechGod]

1 minute ago, Enderman said:

Yes I have.

Obviously if you try to watch at 1080p it will be pretty slow, but the video still loads.

 

Maybe you don't understand what loading means?

It's when your youtube player is black with a circle in the middle and you can't press play, that's when it's loading.

This does not happen on a 2mbps connection, the video loads in a few seconds, usually less than a second, and you can immediately press play.

Do you think I'm dumb? I live in NZ. A 2Mbps connection caused buffering. It's because America probably has YouTube servers everywhere for streaming but guess what? Not everyone has servers close to them. 

[N3v3r3nding_N3wb]

4 hours ago, Prysin said:

what about this second?

 

or this?

 

[Enderman]

9 minutes ago, TechGod said:

Do you think I'm dumb? I live in NZ. A 2Mbps connection caused buffering. It's because America probably has YouTube servers everywhere for streaming but guess what? Not everyone has servers close to them. 

Again, you need to watch on a lower quality setting to prevent buffering.

But what we're talking about here is not buffering, it is the video loading, they are two different things.

Loading is what happens when you click on a video and it takes you to a watch page and you need to wait a second before pressing the play button.

It does not take 30 seconds for a video to load on a 2mbps connection.

[Bensemus]

7 hours ago, Kloaked said:

I hope they update the Youtube Android app to the iPhone version. Boy oh boy would that be the best decision ever

Which one do you think it better? I only really use the iOS app on my iPad. Never spend more than a handful o minutes a month using YouTube on my android phone.

 

I know that there are plenty of things I dislike about YouTube on iOS, many of which didn't use to exist until Google decided to change stuff for no apparent reason. I find comments in general really retarded right now, especially on desktop. Before It would open the conversation in it's own window. Now you need to go to the video, load it for no reason and then it shows you just the single reply and you have to click to expand the whole conversation. So stupid.

[SageOfSpice]

I'm not sure how deeply rooted this problem is.

 

It's easy to point the finger at any one entity, but in the end, I think it's an amalgamation of issues with media in general. Perhaps even some socioeconomic factors.

 

I think if Google wants more people to view their ads, they need  to develop a better way of delivering them, simply.

 

I don't necessarily support piracy, or not supporting free-platforms, but I can understand it in some cases. You know? I think piracy and ad-blocking are their own problems to solve, but I also acknowledge delivery, and content as a problem as well. I think it's sort of self-perpetuating in that sense. Money is being lost because there is an alternative, and because people are more inclined to seek it out than live with the original.

 

The other problem is that fixing it is going to require a large initial investment, and when all these companies are losing money, that's only becoming more and more difficult.

 

I dunno, man.

 

Maybe it's time to colonize Mars.

[Guest Kloaked]

32 minutes ago, Bensemus said:

Which one do you think it better? I only really use the iOS app on my iPad. Never spend more than a handful o minutes a month using YouTube on my android phone.

 

I know that there are plenty of things I dislike about YouTube on iOS, many of which didn't use to exist until Google decided to change stuff for no apparent reason. I find comments in general really retarded right now, especially on desktop. Before It would open the conversation in it's own window. Now you need to go to the video, load it for no reason and then it shows you just the single reply and you have to click to expand the whole conversation. So stupid.

My post was sarcastic. The iPhone layout for Youtube isn't touch gesture friendly, especially for the larger iPhone imo.

 

Also agreed about the comments bit. I've also noticed sometimes it won't even take me to the correct comment thread at all, so I just give up at that point if I even make a comment on Youtube (which is almost never).

[asand1]

I use Google chrome with addblock+ and never see adds.