Obama taking actions against Russia for "Election Hacking"

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2 minutes ago, Memories4K said:

Tell me what the real quote is because i googled it and found nothing from Socrates

It's Plato now that you mention it http://www.roangelo.net/logwitt/thrasymachus.html

[DutchTexan]

7 minutes ago, DeadEyePsycho said:

It's Plato now that you mention it http://www.roangelo.net/logwitt/thrasymachus.html

Yes, top of page 29 of the Dover Thrift Edition of The Republic by Plato was what I was referencing. Read it a while ago, sorry :1

[DutchTexan]

While I have the book in front of me.

 

"No man would keep his hands off what was not his own when he could safely take what he liked out of the market"

"...anyone who thinks that he can safely be unjust, there he is unjust"

"Socrates; you take the words in the sense which is most damaging to the argument."

[straight_stewie]

6 hours ago, TidaLWaveZ said:

I had no choice but to post this, not necessarily because of the Obama Administration's actions, but more out of my curiosity I have with the included FBI report.  I've rifled through it multiple times and I'm hoping the community may find or understand something that I'm missing, specifically the part where they can directly attribute either the DNC hacking or some other large scale attack that had a major influence on the Presidential election. Hopefully someone can shed some light on the report, because I'm not seeing the connection. 

The people who did it already came forward. It was some disgruntled Russian Expats under the leadership of a British diplomat. It had absolutely nothing to do with the Russian government and they likely didn't even know that it was occurring until we accused them of it. Wikileaks released that information and the diplomat himself came forward and took credit for it.

This is just a bunch of bullshit designed to help Obama fulfill the dreams of his father.

[ThomasD]

7 hours ago, Hunter259 said:

Sigh. Sure buddy. That's why the republican run FBI and CIA both have agreeing reports. Just keep blaming the Liberals for ruining "Your" Country while screaming about how you love freedom.

Republican run FBI???

 

You do know that the FBI is under the Department of Justice, part of the Executive branch, right?  A branch currently headed by Barack Obama, President of the United States...

 

Or that the FBI and the CIA also agreed that Iraq had WMDs prior to the Iraq war, right?

[Hunter259]

4 minutes ago, ThomasD said:

Republican run FBI???

 

You do know that the FBI is under the Department of Justice, part of the Executive branch, right?  A branch currently headed by Barack Obama, President of the United States...

 

Or that the FBI and the CIA also agreed that Iraq had WMDs prior to the Iraq war, right?

No FBI report was made on Iraq about WMD's. And James Comey is a republican who runs the FBI. Doesn't matter that Obama is the president. A republican led the investigation.

[ThomasD]

1 minute ago, Hunter259 said:

No FBI report was made on Iraq about WMD's. And James Comey is a republican who runs the FBI. Doesn't matter that Obama is the president. A republican led the investigation.

Yes Comey is the Boss of the FBI.  He presided over the investigations by the Agency.

 

But Obama is the Boss of Comey.  And he presides over everything Comey does.

 

Because, you see, Obama is the Chief Executive of the United States  Making him the boss of anything the Executive branch does.

 

Ergo not a Republican led investigation.

[Hunter259]

2 minutes ago, ThomasD said:

Yes Comey is the Boss of the FBI.  He presided over the investigations by the Agency.

 

But Obama is the Boss of Comey.  And he presides over everything Comey does.

 

Because, you see, Obama is the Chief Executive of the United States  Making him the boss of anything the Executive branch does.

 

Ergo not a Republican led investigation.

He led the investigation directly. You do know Obama is not directly involved with everything right? I'm sure he was the one that tried to hurt Hillary by writing that letter....

[ivan134]

3 minutes ago, ThomasD said:

Yes Comey is the Boss of the FBI.  He presided over the investigations by the Agency.

 

But Obama is the Boss of Comey.  And he presides over everything Comey does.

 

Because, you see, Obama is the Chief Executive of the United States  Making him the boss of anything the Executive branch does.

 

Ergo not a Republican led investigation.

Obama can't tell him not to investigate anything so I'm not sure what you're getting at.

[ivan134]

3 hours ago, Kloaked said:

Do explain. I currently work on a strong development team of people who aren't white, and I'm of Hispanic descent. We have discussions about this shit all of the time - yet I'm being racist?

Why don't you provide the evidence for me that half of California's votes were illegals.

[ThomasD]

1 minute ago, Hunter259 said:

He led the investigation directly. You do know Obama is not directly involved with everything right? I'm sure he was the one that tried to hurt Hillary by writing that letter....

Are you honestly trying to say that Comey himself was involved in everything having to do with investigating everything?

 

Please.  Comey delegates, just like Obama delegates.

 

Bringing the Hillary issue into this only betrays your partisan agenda.

 

Obama chose Comey.  It was Barack Obama who appointed Comey to the position in 2013.  So Comey serves under Obama.  I get that you do not understand the US Constitution.  But let me make it explicit for you.  Article II governs the Executive branch.  The very first sentence of Article II read:

 

"The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America."

 

It is what it is, everything that the Executive Branch does - including the entire Department of Justice (you do know who runs that branch, and which party she belongs to, don't you?)  is on one person and one person only.

 

This is not remotely up for debate.  It is the way it is.

[ThomasD]

10 minutes ago, ivan134 said:

Obama can't tell him not to investigate anything so I'm not sure what you're getting at.

You are entirely wrong about that. 

[Hunter259]

1 minute ago, ThomasD said:

Are you honestly trying to say that Comey himself was involved in everything having to do with investigating everything?

 

Please.  Comey delegates, just like Obama delegates.

 

Bringing the Hillary issue into this only betrays your partisan agenda.

 

Obama chose Comey.  It was Barack Obama who appointed Comey to the position in 2013.  So Comey serves under Obama.  I get that you do not understand the US Constitution.  But let me make it explicit for you.  Article II governs the Executive branch.  The very first sentence of Article II read:

 

"The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America."

 

It is what it is, everything that the Executive Branch does - including the entire Department of Justice (you do know who runs that branch, and which party she belongs to, don't you?)  is on one person and one person only.

 

This is not remotely up for debate.  It is the way it is.

Sigh. So he's king. Got it. No dude. Obama is not directly involved in every little thing. You have to be hard headed to believe he does.

[Guest Kloaked]

2 minutes ago, ivan134 said:

Why don't you provide the evidence for me that half of California's votes were illegals.

I don't have any, just like this entire thread is based on guesses. I live completely across the country.

 

I will say this: the city I work in had voter fraud within three hours of voting for this election. The only reason I know about this is because the school I used to attend was a voting station and people were literally voting twice and bragging about it. People who were in line to vote found out someone else put in a absentee ballot in their name somehow. Authorities were contacted but I don't know what they did about it, nor do I know who those fraudulent votes were for.

[ThomasD]

1 minute ago, Hunter259 said:

Sigh. So he's king. Got it. No dude. Obama is not directly involved in every little thing. You have to be hard headed to believe he does.

I never said he was king.  If you wish to argue with the words you put in other people's mouths then I really cannot be of much help to you.

 

What I did say is that Obama is the Chief Executive of the US government.  Meaning he is ultimately responsible for whatever the Executive branch does.  And the FBI is part of the Executive branch.

[ivan134]

5 minutes ago, ThomasD said:

You are entirely wrong about that. 

Oh really? Enlighten me.

[ivan134]

3 minutes ago, Kloaked said:

I don't have any, just like this entire thread is based on guesses. I live completely across the country.

 

I will say this: the city I work in had voter fraud within three hours of voting for this election. The only reason I know about this is because the school I used to attend was a voting station and people were literally voting twice and bragging about it. People who were in line to vote found out someone else put in a absentee ballot in their name somehow. Authorities were contacted but I don't know what they did about it, nor do I know who those fraudulent votes were for.

So how does your anecdotal non confirmed evidence lead to half of California's votes being illegal?

[Guest Kloaked]

Just now, ivan134 said:

So how does your anecdotal non confirmed evidence lead to half of California's votes being illegal?

I didn't say it was a fact. It was purely anecdotal. You're harping on this point why? Are you still mad that someone else has a different opinion than you?

 

California is known for harboring tons and tons undocumented/illegal people. It's not tinfoil hattery to assume that there might be a ton of illegal votes in California because of this, since the democrats just love them some illegal people.

[Hunter259]

6 minutes ago, ThomasD said:

I never said he was king.  If you wish to argue with the words you put in other people's mouths then I really cannot be of much help to you.

 

What I did say is that Obama is the Chief Executive of the US government.  Meaning he is ultimately responsible for whatever the Executive branch does.  And the FBI is part of the Executive branch.

Of course he is responsible for it. What that also doesn't include is things against his wishes. Not everything is personally looked at. Comey is the one that actually started the investigation. I do hope you realize that.

[ThomasD]

3 minutes ago, ivan134 said:

Oh really? Enlighten me.

As I noted above.  the very first sentence of Article II of the US Constitution reads:

 

"The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. "

 

Try reading these

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Justice

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Bureau_of_Investigation

 

The Director of the FBI works for the Attorney General.  The Attorney General works for the President.  The President can very much direct the actions of his/her subordinates.  That's how the Executive branch works.

[ivan134]

5 minutes ago, Kloaked said:

I didn't say it was a fact. It was purely anecdotal. You're harping on this point why? Are you still mad that someone else has a different opinion than you?

 

California is known for harboring tons and tons undocumented/illegal people. It's not tinfoil hattery to assume that there might be a ton of illegal votes in California because of this, since the democrats just love them some illegal people.

Uhhh yes it is definitely tin foil hattery, but keep telling yourself whatever you need to feel better.

[ThomasD]

4 minutes ago, Hunter259 said:

Of course he is responsible for it. What that also doesn't include is things against his wishes. Not everything is personally looked at. Comey is the one that actually started the investigation. I do hope you realize that.

No, Comey didn't "start" the investigation.  The FBI has been tracking Russian espionage efforts (computerized or not) since long before Comey came along.  Going way back to when they were the Soviet Union.

 

Now you are just making stuff up.

[ivan134]

4 minutes ago, ThomasD said:

As I noted above.  the very first sentence of Article II of the US Constitution reads:

 

"The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. "

 

Try reading these

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Justice

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Bureau_of_Investigation

 

The Director of the FBI works for the Attorney General.  The Attorney General works for the President.  The President can very much direct the actions of his/her subordinates.  That's how the Executive branch works.

So why didn't Obama stop him from investigating her emails?

[ThomasD]

4 minutes ago, ivan134 said:

So why didn't Obama stop him from investigating her emails?

That's more of a political question than a legal question.  Maybe he didn't think they would find anything.  Maybe he thought the investigation could be used for political gain (like Clinton and Monica.)  Maybe he thought they would find something and didn't want to be impeached like Nixon 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Massacre

 

Your guess is as good as mine.

 

Edit:  Maybe he was more concerned about looking bad than actually being bad.

[intelCore]

4 minutes ago, ivan134 said:

So why didn't Obama stop him from investigating her emails?

So that people have something to fight about. Successfully as it seems.