i7-920 or i7-4770 (non K) or Xeon X56yy

[Jack the Stripper]

I am getting caught up in the benchmark fog. I look at the benchmarks and see my current i7-920 sucks ass. I know I can get a Xeon X56yy and be on par with newer cpu's.

I know it aint worth buying a higher 900 series i7.

 

i7-920 is ranked 225 speed at 51% Gaming 52% Desktop 36% Workstation (already have)

i7-4770 is ranked 26 Speed 82% 83% 59% (cost $200cdn)

Xeon X5650 is ranked 106 Speed 68% 64% 55% (ebay cost $65)

Xeon X5690 is ranked 62 Speed 75% 70% 61% (ebay cost $220)

I would assume a six core X5670 or something half way between would be in between so ranked 84 speed and 71% 67% 58% (cost $85)

which is close to a i7-4770 ranked 26 Speed 82% 83% 59%

 

So I just talked myself out of buying a 4770 because I would need a mobo as well. How much would one cost? I think its LGA 1150 right. So $75 for a cheap one off Newegg.ca

All in for a i7-4770 I would be spending CPU $200, mobo $75, already have a psu, hdd and ram. $300.

For my i7-920 system I paid $200cdn for it everything. Add in the new used Xeon, I'd be right at the $300 mark.

 

I dont know what to do.

I think having over clockability is good with a Xeon am I right?

Could probably match the 4770 if not exceed it am I right?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Jacktastic-Mofo]

Or you can go crazy and get dual Xeon E5-2670's like me.

[ARikozuM]

4770

[Electronics Wizardy]

id keep you8r 920 unless its slow in some tasks, if you really want faster, id go x5670

[aisle9]

You might as well stay with your i7-920 if you're considering the Xeon switch. LGA1366 is a dying breed. Also, the i7-920 hardly sucks. It's not top-tier anymore, but it's not a Pentium D either. Most games will still run just fine on it.

 

That said, I'd go for the 4770 if you're set on upgrading. I think you're fine with the 920, though. Benchmarks ain't everything.

[Jack the Stripper]

4 hours ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

id keep you8r 920 unless its slow in some tasks, if you really want faster, id go x5670

 

4 hours ago, aisle9 said:

You might as well stay with your i7-920 if you're considering the Xeon switch. LGA1366 is a dying breed. Also, the i7-920 hardly sucks. It's not top-tier anymore, but it's not a Pentium D either. Most games will still run just fine on it.

 

That said, I'd go for the 4770 if you're set on upgrading. I think you're fine with the 920, though. Benchmarks ain't everything.

 

Keep the i7-920, LGA1366 with overclocker mobo 2x 500GB and 12GB DDR3

Yeah I know thats what I was thinking too. I come to realize that.

Pro's = I could overclock it

Cons's = Its older then 4770, fewer pcie lanes, older usb 2.0

 

For the i7-4770

Pro's = Newer, I could have a system running for $300. I found a Z97 board for $80 same price as H81 and B85.

Cons's = Not overclockable

 

I am thinking I could sell my i7-920 system and break even, I'd keep one of the 500GB HDD's and some ram I would actually probably make $50. I could sell it for $250cdn and I think someone would buy it.

 

 

 

http://www.overclock.net/t/1537411/i7-920-vs-i7-4770k/10

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however if your keen on upgrade, get a cheap 5650 off ebay, a 4ghz x5650 bench score the same as a 3.5ghz 4770k in passmark. save money and buy new platform when intel stop making incremental speed bumps and actually release a significant jump.

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The xeon's are a good choice for multithreaded performance, but they're nowhere near Haswell for singlethreade

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tell me this, is it fun to play with OC'ing?

 

 

 

 

[Scitesh]

5 hours ago, Jack the Stripper said:

 

Tell me this, is it fun to play with OC'ing?

 

 

 

 

Absofickingly yes

Also  go for 4770 or wait for zen

[Intelfreak]

17 hours ago, Jack the Stripper said:

 

Tell me this, is it fun to play with OC'ing?

 

Specially if its a CPU or GPU that oc very well. Like a I7 920 can do. My own I7 920 can run 4.4 GHz. An 4 GHz I7 920 performence much like a stock I7 3770K.

If its 6 core CPU for X58 you are after there are also a few 6 core I7 named I7 970/980 non X/980X/990X if you dont want a Xeon.

About I7 4770. that is a bit faster but no fun, why? it cant overclock and i want only cpu that can overclock, my life is just to boring with out overcock, it has become a very value part of my life. When ever its CPU or GPU overclock and that good feeling you get when a OC is 100 % stable + it can be the way to new friends whit the same hobby. For not to forget that I7 4770 is not the newest CPU neather since it came out back in 2013.

 

If it where me. I would overclock the crap out of your I7 920 and save up some more money and wait for Intels kaby lake or AMD Ryzen.

 

About overclock. take a look my system. 4.4 GHz CPU and two GTX 970 in sli = still pretty desent 1080P gaming pc.

 

[Jack the Stripper]

Well an i7-4770 Lenovo SFF 500GB and 4GB went for $200 last time I checked, an hour before the sale ended.

So I dont know how much it sold for, it just slipped my mind, I should have added it tot he Watch List.

I was thinking I would max out at $250, real value is $320cdn.

[asand1]

I vote for Xeon X5680, 6C, 12T , 3.33Ghz BCLK, 12MB Cache, 288GB RAM, Potential 5GHz OC. and $110

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-X5680-3-33GHz-Six-Core-12MB-6-40GT-s-Processor-SLBV5-/262775171028?hash=item3d2e9ee7d4:g:S~cAAOSwj85YNc49

 

http://ark.intel.com/compare/37147,47916,37149

[Jack the Stripper]

Well an i7-4770 Lenovo SFF 500GB and 4GB went for $200 last time I checked, an hour before the sale ended.

So I dont know how much it sold for, it just slipped my mind, I should have added it tot he Watch List.

I was thinking I would max out at $250, real value is $320cdn

 

I am thinking 4 core.

[asand1]

Xeon X5680 scores 3,896 points higher than the i7-920 on Passmark, at only $110 used ebay. The Xeon is only 935 points lower than the I7-4770 that sells for $250 used ebay. Whats the better deal? Furthermore, the passmark score for the Xeon is only at the baseclock.

[asand1]

http://www.overclock.net/t/1489955/official-x58-xeon-club/0_20

[Jack the Stripper]

Interesting, that is what I thought about the baseclock. And I do want to overclock this beatch!

 

 

1 hour ago, asand1 said:

Xeon X5680 scores 3,896 points higher than the i7-920 on Passmark, at only $110 used ebay. The Xeon is only 935 points lower than the I7-4770 that sells for $250 used ebay. Whats the better deal? Furthermore, the passmark score for the Xeon is only at the baseclock.

 

 

 

Step over to my other thread below, There are so many Xeons to choose from. I want something around the 3GHz mark.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[DunePilot]

What motherboard do you have? What graphics card do you have or plan to get? You can get a X5650 (or 75, 80, 90) if you have decent cooling and overclock it to about 4.3GHz pretty easily and they perform really well. Perfectly fine for a single 980Ti or 1070, or 1080. If you plan to go with a 1080Ti or any of those configs in SLI though then you might want to build a new system. 

[Jack the Stripper]

@DunePilot - No I do not plan to run 1080, but there is a slight chance I may run a 1070, the more likely scenerio for me is the AMD RX480 because I like the best bang for the buck aspect to that card.

 

Yes I am reading ALL your posts DunePilot, you are one knowledgable person. I am going to buy a X5675, and try to get 4.3GHz with the 23x reg and 25x turbo and no more then 1.4V max if temps are all good.

 

Quick Questions

 

1) You mention in another post somewhere, that stock clock speeds are of no consideration since it will be OC'd. I assume this means then I should be looking at the multiplier only? I look at the wikipedia Xeon page a lot, I will post a random cpu that has the column titles. I deleted the last two colums so its easy on the eyes to view.

 

1a) Are all the CPU's running the same bus speed in a given range/block, and the different CPU's just have different bus multipliers to achieve the frequency for a particular cpu?

 

1b) Whats highlighted in red and bolded/underlines is what I am looking for right?

 

2) The I/O bus 2 x 6.4GT/s QPI is only good when you are going to be using 2 cpu's on a mobo?

 

3) Could you explain the Spec Number where it states (B1) I read a lot about this and have no clue, I guess its the stepping.

 

I see that the multiplier increases with better CPU binning, but the ratio of price per multiplier is taken into consideration. So I see how the X5650 is good budget wise and the X5675 gets you to the 4.3GHz level.

Model number	Spec number	Frequency	Turbo	Cores	L2 cache	L3 cache	I/O bus	Mult.	Memory	Voltage	TDP	Socket	Release date
Dual Core
Xeon X5698	SLC32 (B1)	4.4 GHz	0/1	2	2 × 256 KB	12 MB	2 × 6.4 GT/s QPI	33×	3 × DDR3-1333	0.75–1.35 V	130 W	LGA 1366	Q1, 2011

[DunePilot]

34 minutes ago, Jack the Stripper said:

@DunePilot - No I do not plan to run 1080, but there is a slight chance I may run a 1070, the more likely scenerio for me is the AMD RX480 because I like the best bang for the buck aspect to that card.

 

Yes I am reading ALL your posts DunePilot, you are one knowledgable person. I am going to buy a X5675, and try to get 4.3GHz with the 23x reg and 25x turbo and no more then 1.4V max if temps are all good.

 

Quick Questions

 

1) You mention in another post somewhere, that stock clock speeds are of no consideration since it will be OC'd. I assume this means then I should be looking at the multiplier only? I look at the wikipedia Xeon page a lot, I will post a random cpu that has the column titles. I deleted the last two colums so its easy on the eyes to view.

 

1a) Are all the CPU's running the same bus speed in a given range/block, and the different CPU's just have different bus multipliers to achieve the frequency for a particular cpu?

 

1b) Whats highlighted in red and bolded/underlines is what I am looking for right?

 

2) The I/O bus 2 x 6.4GT/s QPI is only good when you are going to be using 2 cpu's on a mobo?

 

3) Could you explain the Spec Number where it states (B1) I read a lot about this and have no clue, I guess its the stepping.

 

I see that the multiplier increases with better CPU binning, but the ratio of price per multiplier is taken into consideration. So I see how the X5650 is good budget wise and the X5675 gets you to the 4.3GHz level.

Model number	Spec number	Frequency	Turbo	Cores	L2 cache	L3 cache	I/O bus	Mult.	Memory	Voltage	TDP	Socket	Release date
Dual Core
Xeon X5698	SLC32 (B1)	4.4 GHz	0/1	2	2 × 256 KB	12 MB	2 × 6.4 GT/s QPI	33×	3 × DDR3-1333	0.75–1.35 V	130 W	LGA 1366	Q1, 2011

 

Though they were binned higher the X5680s and 90s might not get you any higher of an overclock. If you can find the 80, 90, 98 as cheap as an X5675 then sure get one of them as they were binned slightly higher. That is why the stock clocks are higher but usually even with the cheapest of the bunch the X5650 you can get 4.3GHz which is what you should be shooting for, then possibly 4.5GHz but you usually have to ramp the voltage up some more to get that. The most basic of decisions for people on LGA 1366 is choosing between the X5650 or the X5675, with the 75 you have a few more multis (25 I think) and on the X5650 it is limited to 22 (I think, don't quote me). Everything above a 75 has more than enough multis, the big deal is the gap between the 50 and the 75, since the 50 is limited to 22 that means you have to have your bus running at least 200 to get a 4.4GHz OC. Now, perhaps your chip and board combo can do all the way to 220 bus, but in the case that it doesn't then you might be limited on your overclock. By having more multi's it allows you to have the option to get the higher overclocks with a lower bus speed and a higher multi. You can achieve it either way and they will run the same, it's all about what can you get out of your CPU and motherboard with it being stable and 200-220 bus speed can be a crap shoot.

 

Example, for a 4.5GHz OC on the X5650 I would have to have at least 205 bus speed because it is limited to 22 multi.    205 X 22 = 4510

For 4.5GHz OC on the X5675 I could get away with a bus speed as low as 180.   180 X 25 = 4500

 

The only difference is you have more options and more possibilities to overclock with a lower bus. My specific chip could boot in the 200-210 range but I found it most stable at 196 X 22 with turbo off. That means you could achieve that fine with either chip, but if you wanted to push it to 4.5GHz or 4.7GHz all you would have to do is change the multi on the 75, with the 50 you would have to go increase your bus instead since you're multi is capped at 22.

 

BTW if its not 22 and 25 I'm sorry, the explanation is still the same. I used to have most of those chips memorized but have been on X99 platform for awhile now and no longer have my X5675 setup, I sold it to a friend. 

[Jack the Stripper]

17 minutes ago, DunePilot said:

Example, for a 4.5GHz OC on the X5650 I would have to have at least 205 bus speed because it is limited to 22 multi.    205 X 22 = 4510

For 4.5GHz OC on the X5675 I could get away with a bus speed as low as 180.   180 X 25 = 4500

Makes perfect sense now

 

 

18 minutes ago, DunePilot said:

BTW if its not 22 and 25 I'm sorry, the explanation is still the same

Yes I know

[DunePilot]

The X56XX Xeons are a great upgrade for anyone on X58, if it can push off a future build for a couple years. So if you have a 1080p monitor and want to get a medium grade GPU and a $100 Xeon then that should be able to hold you over for awhile.

 

A $2000-3000 budget for an entire new build will buy you something much better two years from now than it will right now. Right now it might get you 1440p 100hz+, (which you will have to have a 1440p monitor to enjoy), 2 years from now you'll have 4k 100hz+ for the same price.

[Jack the Stripper]

Yeah my current setup is rocking 1080P I am not into fancy games. I kind of liked Battlefield when I saw it at my brothers house but over all I do not like that style of game. Doom, Clancy amd the like. I think that Battlefield game falls in line with another game I like, World of Tanks. So I find myself attracted to historical type games and not the shoot 'em up style. I like cheesy indie games, Mario style, Maze style, Racing style. My current GPU is sufficient. I just need a new hobby and OC may be a learning opportunity for me.

[DunePilot]

3 minutes ago, Jack the Stripper said:

Yeah my current setup is rocking 1080P I am not into fancy games. I kind of liked Battlefield when I saw it at my brothers house but over all I do not like that style of game. Doom, Clancy amd the like. I think that Battlefield game falls in line with another game I like, World of Tanks. So I find myself attracted to historical type games and not the shoot 'em up style. I like cheesy indie games, Mario style, Maze style, Racing style. My current GPU is sufficient. I just need a new hobby and OC may be a learning opportunity for me.

X58 is really fun to OC so you definitely will learn a lot. Worth the $100 to get one and mess with for that reason alone imho.

[Jack the Stripper]

Is $72.50usd  good for a Xeon X5687

3.6 GHz

4 cores

4 × 256 KB

12 MB

2 × 6.4 GT/s QPI

27×     ?

[Jack the Stripper]

I want to go 4 cores as I have no need for 6 cores.

[DunePilot]

3 minutes ago, Jack the Stripper said:

I want to go 4 cores as I have no need for 6 cores.

Definitely go 6 whether you think you need it now or not.

[asand1]

2 hours ago, DunePilot said:

Definitely go 6 whether you think you need it now or not.

QFT, games and programs are increasingly using more cores. The X56xx CPUs will still be capable after 4 and 6 core become the minimum requirement.