Zen Engineering sample benchmarked by french tech magazine CanardPC

[patrickjp93]

11 minutes ago, Prysin said:

read my post, then your post, then my post again...

 

also, 2500k IS a bit pathetic today, even with a decent OC it still only gets close to a FX 8350, because of how games use more threads efficiently then back in the days. 2600k is solid choice, but then again it IS an outrageously outdated i7.

Other way around. The 8350 gets close to the 2500K.

[Prysin]

14 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

Other way around. The 8350 gets close to the 2500K.

Read more reviews Patrick.  Read more reviews 

[patrickjp93]

1 minute ago, Prysin said:

Read more reviews Patrick.  Read more reviews 

I've read all of them.

[Prysin]

19 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

I've read all of them.

I doubt it given your response and how you always bitch about having so much to do and so little time 

[patrick3027]

12 hours ago, VerticalDiscussions said:

Uh? How is it so behind in Videogame performance xD?

The CPU only goes to 3.3 GHz, which hurts it in videogame benchmarks.

[leadeater]

7 minutes ago, patrick3027 said:

The CPU only goes to 3.3 GHz, which hurts it in videogame benchmarks.

The mentioned Zen CPU is an engineering sample not running the retail clocks, the confirmed base clock is 3.4GHz+ but the boost hasn't been disclosed yet. Basically this leaked review is a little useless but does at least show if the CPU is decent, we don't know the performance gain per clock so it's hard to conclude anything from this information at all.

[patrickjp93]

3 minutes ago, leadeater said:

The mentioned Zen CPU is an engineering sample not running the retail clocks, the confirmed base clock is 3.4GHz+ but the boost hasn't been disclosed yet. Basically this leaked review is a little useless but does at least show if the CPU is decent, we don't know the performance gain per clock so it's hard to conclude anything from this information at all.

No, the confirmed CLOCK is 3.4+. AMD has never claimed that's the base, and for good reason.

[leadeater]

6 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

No, the confirmed CLOCK is 3.4+. AMD has never claimed that's the base, and for good reason.

Yes they did in the New Horizon event, which the CPU was locked to it's base clock so no boost. It was directly said in the presentation @ 27:30.

 

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Will have base clock speeds of 3.4 Ghz, or higher

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Each Ryzen processor will also have a boost mode and we're going to announce those boost frequencies at launch 

 

[patrickjp93]

4 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Yes they did in the New Horizon event, which the CPU was locked to it's base clock so no boost. It was directly said in the presentation @ 27:30.

 

 

 

Yeah right. The F3 revision still only hits 3.4 on the top end of boost, and that's 1 revision away from retail.

[leadeater]

Just now, patrickjp93 said:

Yeah right. The F3 recision still only hits 3.4 on the top end of boost, and that's 1 revision away from retail.

Doesn't matter what you say, that is the official announcement of the product. It is correct, from a primary source which is the best source possible. You can choose not to believe them, but that is the great thing about facts. They are true whether or not you believe them.

[Tech Enthusiast]

7 hours ago, leadeater said:

That is actually a good thing, AMD is delivering you with a product that is at it's full potential. You shouldn't have to OC, being able to is fine and will keep the tweakers entertained trying to achieve the most possible but if you can get 30% more performance out of a product then that is a problem. Your paying for a product that quite clearly is much more capable but paying the same amount. I don't count a 30% OC as added value, I count that as lost value.

 

And to clarify that I mean if you can OC by 30% without changing anything to an extreme, 10% voltage bump max and no crazy fan curve or exotic cooling.

 

That is quite a differend approach i take then.

If two products are similar to eachother and cost the same, but one can be enhanced by me without issues and the other can not,... i will definitly pick the one i can enhance. I don't see any lost value there since both already HAVE the same value (price / performance). Just one is allowing me to improve that value (my freedom if i want to go the extra mile or not) and the other does not offer me the choice at all.

 

Even if i (as a consumer) don't touch the enhance button, i still break even and have the freedom to change my mind at any time.

 

From a buisiness point of view this is even worse:

One company is pushing their hardware to the limit to be competetive, the other company leaves a 30-60% (in some cases more ffs) margin and are fine. They can just "refresh" that product with less margin to OC and sell it as an "upgrade" at any time to counter any surprise AMD may come up with.

 

TLDR;

Intel already sucks major balls since they have had a monopoly for a good while now. 3-10% performance "jumps" each generation can only sell if there is no competition.

We all need to hope this benchmarks don't show the real Zen, or we will be stuck with this damn monopoly for a looooong time. Same goes for the GPU market. AMD does leaks and reveals like once a week it feels. Yet they don't release anything that is even close to their claims usually. And we definitly need something that is close to their bold claims. Desperatly.

[patrickjp93]

3 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Doesn't matter what you say, that is the official announcement of the product. It is correct, from a primary source which is the best source possible. You can choose not to believe them, but that is the great thing about facts. They are true whether or not you believe them.

And AMD's track record with their own facts is better than mine? Barcelona and Bulldozer anyone? How about Steamroller FX and Mullins?

 

Lisa Su is lying. I'd stake my right to remain on this forum on that. There will be 1 or 2 black edition processors that may hold up to that, but that's it.

[leadeater]

Just now, Rattenmann said:

If two products are similar to eachother and cost the same, but one can be enhanced by me without issues and the other can not,... i will definitly pick the one i can enhance. I don't see any lost value there since both already HAVE the same value (price / performance). Just one is allowing me to improve that value (my freedom if i want to go the extra mile or not) and the other does not offer me the choice at all.

Buying the one you can enhance certainly is the best choice, would just be nicer if it costed the same but was running at it's full potential without you having to do it .

[Marioguy0]

2 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

Yeah right. The F3 recision still only hits 3.4 on the top end of boost, and that's 1 revision away from retail.

Whether or not this is true doesn't change the fact that AMD has in fact claimed it will have a base clock of 3.4 GHz.  Please don't spread misinformation, especially if you know better.

 

That said, I'll be disappointed if they can't deliver this among all of their promises, but AMD is quite deeply in the territory of "wait and see" due to their track record.

[patrickjp93]

1 minute ago, Marioguy0 said:

Whether or not this is true doesn't change the fact that AMD has in fact claimed it will have a base clock of 3.4 GHz.  Please don't spread misinformation, especially if you know better.

 

That said, I'll be disappointed if they can't deliver this among all of their promises, but AMD is quite deeply in the territory of "wait and see" due to their track record.

Mullins and Barcelona. AMD has lied before. I have not. And I do know better. I haven't been away from my blogs without reason.

[Tech Enthusiast]

Just now, leadeater said:

Buying the one you can enhance certainly is the best choice, would just be nicer if it costed the same but was running at it's full potential without you having to do it .

Of course. But that is not how the market works. That would be believing in santa ;-)

No company will ever offer you more then they have to in order to sell the product. This way they can easily upgrade next year, without many trouble and costs on their RnD.

 

We would all do the same if it was our company.

[patrickjp93]

1 minute ago, Rattenmann said:

Of course. But that is not how the market works. That would be believing in santa ;-)

No company will ever offer you more then they have to in order to sell the product. This way they can easily upgrade next year, without many trouble and costs on their RnD.

 

We would all do the same if it was our company.

Nah, but my primary focus isn't money to begin with. After having a couple million to retire on, I'd happily just push tech to the edge were I in such a position. Unfortunately AMD and Intel both have thousands of shareholders to answer to.

[leadeater]

1 minute ago, patrickjp93 said:

There will be 1 or 2 black edition processors that may hold up to that, but that's it.

But if there are retail options available to purchase that meet the claim then they were never lying. Intel only has one desktop 10 core model, are they lying that they can do 10 core processors if they also only have one?

 

There only ever has to be one to meet the claim to make it true.

[patrickjp93]

Just now, leadeater said:

But if there are retail options available to purchase that meet the claim then they were never lying. Intel only has one desktop 10 core model, are they lying that they can do 10 core processors if they also only have one?

 

There only ever has to be one to meet the claim to make it true.

No, because Lisa Su said Ryzen processors as a whole. That is the royal we. That's not even playing the majority card. That means if there is a single 8-core SKU under 3.4GHz base, she lied. And I am personally guaranteeing she's lying.

[leadeater]

1 minute ago, patrickjp93 said:

No, because Lisa Su said Ryzen processors as a whole. That is the royal we. That's not even playing the majority card. That means if there is a single 8-core SKU under 3.4GHz base, she lied. And I am personally guaranteeing she's lying.

[patrickjp93]

2 minutes ago, leadeater said:

 

Fine by me. I just have the luxury of knowing ahead of time. It's like playing poker if you can count cards. You never have to make a bet you won't lose.

[Misanthrope]

1 hour ago, Prysin said:

pathetic.

Not really: Unless your name is Nvidia, old hardware doesn't breaks as soon as new one comes out and old software still works fine on it too. To go back to the steam survey: it moves slowly because what, 90% of the catalog still runs fine on those old 2500s and even many games out in 2016 still do run fine on it.

 

So I could do an upgrade every 6 months to keep 1 or 2 new titles I buy per year relevant, or I could play the literal hundreds of other titles I still haven't got to yet.

[laminutederire]

11 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Buying the one you can enhance certainly is the best choice, would just be nicer if it costed the same but was running at it's full potential without you having to do it .

Issue with that always comes down to marketing. Take an i5-6600k vs an i7-6700. Overclock it high enough and it performs as well or better than the locked i7, but it doesn't give as much money to Intel. Those i5 overclock so damn easily to the 4Ghz mark,  that they could have out it at that base clock instead of 3.5Ghz. It would've stepped into the i7 line-up and money made the choice for them.

[laminutederire]

5 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

Fine by me. I just have the luxury of knowing ahead of time. It's like playing poker if you can count cards. You never have to make a bet you won't lose.

You never have to make a bet since you're kicked out of the casino as well.

Don't go underclocking every Ryzen CPU on the planet just to make your point though!

(By the way, you can never lie, doesn't mean you're always right, those are two different notions)

[leadeater]

1 minute ago, patrickjp93 said:

Fine by me. I just have the luxury of knowing ahead of time. It's like playing poker if you can count cards. You never have to make a bet you won't lose.

Do you work for AMD, in the Zen engineering team? If no then you can't know ahead of time, you can base your expectation on past experience but that is not even close to the same. Rumors from other people that have heard things from Zen engineers isn't equivalent either. We can only wait, nothing more.

 

Don't leave misinformation and propaganda in threads for other people to read, official statements are what we go by.