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[Rumor]Overclockable Kaby-Lake i3 leaked online

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Just now, Dabombinable said:

I thought Skylake boards were less restricted, due to the better BCLK overclocking. If that's the case, then LGA1150 might (sort of) be my new LGA775.

BCLK on Haswell was tied to many other systems and was more restricted whereas BCLK on Skylake was largely remote.

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30 minutes ago, oskarha said:

Other sub-forum, that's what i thought.

It was in TN&R, was moved due to not following guidelines. 

The ability to google properly is a skill of its own. 

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41 minutes ago, Prysin said:

skylake i3s, with baseclock OC was shown to catch up to i7s (stock) in games. Ofc we are talking i3s hitting 4.7-4.8GHz. But hyperthreading is not something you should underestimate.

In some games, yes. Given you will play only those type of games, which most don't. Get (almost) any AAA game and it's game over. You want to pair that 1050Ti/460 with a 6400 or a 7350K if they are $5 in difference? Given no one will pull out a Far Cry 4.

 

The ability to google properly is a skill of its own. 

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31 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

I thought Skylake boards were less restricted, due to the better BCLK overclocking. If that's the case, then LGA1150 might (sort of) be my new LGA775.

BCLK OC required a external clock generator to bypass Intels forced BIOS "lockdown".

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21 minutes ago, Bouzoo said:

In some games, yes. Given you will play only those type of games, which most don't. Get (almost) any AAA game and it's game over. You want to pair that 1050Ti/460 with a 6400 or a 7350K if they are $5 in difference? Given no one will pull out a Far Cry 4.

 

thing is. for your average gamer, this is perfect.
Games like WoW and other MMOs/MOBAs are so excessively single threaded that clock speed + IPC > cores. However OCd i3's are able to play even demanding AAA titles like TW3, GTA V etc without shitting themselves. unlike normal dual cores. The i3 6100 OCd actually beat the i5 6400. Primarily due to the extemely low clocks of the i5.


 

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We know that Anandtech is only using a TE, aka extremely low power SKU. We also know that Digital Foundry hit 4.4GHz on their i3 6100. Thus imagine how things would look if the ALREADY slow i3 that i showed in the pictures in the spoiler was even faster still?

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Interesting. Zen plz

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9 minutes ago, Prysin said:

thing is. for your average gamer, this is perfect.
Games like WoW and other MMOs/MOBAs are so excessively single threaded that clock speed + IPC > cores. However OCd i3's are able to play even demanding AAA titles like TW3, GTA V etc without shitting themselves. unlike normal dual cores. The i3 6100 OCd actually beat the i5 6400. Primarily due to the extemely low clocks of the i5.

Funny because games that I play, MMO FFXIV and MOBA heroes of the storm both run better on multi cores, but I'm the minority here. Mind you if you can OC the 6100 you can OC 6400 as well on that platform. Yes, they can run them without shitting themselves but that is a trend that is dying, as it seems to me. It can still be a 30 FPS difference but that's with the game still running in 40-50 FPS to be honest. Or unless the games are RoTR, Rys and few others. 

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11 minutes ago, Bouzoo said:

Funny because games that I play, MMO FFXIV and MOBA heroes of the storm both run better on multi cores, but I'm the minority here. Mind you if you can OC the 6100 you can OC 6400 as well on that platform. Yes, they can run them without shitting themselves but that is a trend that is dying, as it seems to me. It can still be a 30 FPS difference but that's with the game still running in 40-50 FPS to be honest. Or unless the games are RoTR, Rys and few others. 

Its harder to OC the 6400 and 6100 these days. My point is THESE WILL BE OBSOLETE IF THE NEW KABYLAKE SKUs HIT THE MARKET.

 

Also, prebuilts. Low cost "overclocking" prebuilts that you just hit a "turbo button" and all of a sudden you got massive performance increases?! that is very potent setup.

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7 minutes ago, Prysin said:

Its harder to OC the 6400 and 6100 these days. My point is THESE WILL BE OBSOLETE IF THE NEW KABYLAKE SKUs HIT THE MARKET.

 

Also, prebuilts. Low cost "overclocking" prebuilts that you just hit a "turbo button" and all of a sudden you got massive performance increases?! that is very potent setup.

I know I know what your point is, imo it's better to give those $25 more for i5 but hey that's me. I mean better to have OC i3 than not, but I mean if you're going for ocing, it might be better to go a step up. I like the ides of prebuilds with OC i3, however I have a feeling that won't happen, at least it will be very rare. Not really worth it for companies to focus on that as well on cheap prebuilds. 

I'm on phone currently, what were the temps on 6100 when OCd? Was the stock cooler enough? 

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1 hour ago, Prysin said:

 

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i5 prices are increasing. A LOT. thus this still makes sense.

It doesn't make sense. Would rather buy a Skylake i5 (You can get the 6500's for $180 in the US from most retailers) and be fine. If you absolutely needed the clock speed, you could technically go the old ASrock Z170 BIOS route as well. Not only that, but the 6600k also goes on sale for $200 on Newegg depending on promo deals. All around better investment, since there are no IPC improvements at all coming from Kaby. 

 

If this was still a $120 SKU, then by all means, this would be fantastic, or maybe $150 at absolute most, but it's priced way too close to real quad cores for it to be considered a great value.

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7 minutes ago, Bouzoo said:

I know I know what your point is, imo it's better to give those $25 more for i5 but hey that's me. I mean better to have OC i3 than not, but I mean if you're going for ocing, it might be better to go a step up. I like the ides of prebuilds with OC i3, however I have a feeling that won't happen, at least it will be very rare. Not really worth it for companies to focus on that as well on cheap prebuilds. 

I'm on phone currently, what were the temps on 6100 when OCd? Was the stock cooler enough? 

 

8 minutes ago, MageTank said:

It doesn't make sense. Would rather buy a Skylake i5 (You can get the 6500's for $180 in the US from most retailers) and be fine. If you absolutely needed the clock speed, you could technically go the old ASrock Z170 BIOS route as well. Not only that, but the 6600k also goes on sale for $200 on Newegg depending on promo deals. All around better investment, since there are no IPC improvements at all coming from Kaby. 

 

If this was still a $120 SKU, then by all means, this would be fantastic, or maybe $150 at absolute most, but it's priced way too close to real quad cores for it to be considered a great value.

i agree with both of you. It is not a product for me, nor for any of "us". But it is a product for the lower end "first system" builds.

 

I do believe that price will drop when/if AMD releases a competitive SKU. Perhaps it will drop as low as the 130-150$ mark in order to "cement" Intels hold on the lower end? one can dream.

 

Either way, IMHO, i'd rather take a unlocked ZEN APU over a unlocked i3. Even if the i3 has higher IPC, it isnt worth much on its own, and a top end AMD iGPU should hit 750Ti levels or above with this coming generation...

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Just now, Prysin said:

 

i agree with both of you. It is not a product for me, nor for any of "us". But it is a product for the lower end "first system" builds.

 

I do believe that price will drop when/if AMD releases a competitive SKU. Perhaps it will drop as low as the 130-150$ mark in order to "cement" Intels hold on the lower end? one can dream.

 

Either way, IMHO, i'd rather take a unlocked ZEN APU over a unlocked i3. Even if the i3 has higher IPC, it isnt worth much on its own, and a top end AMD iGPU should hit 750Ti levels or above with this coming generation...

If the rumors about Kaby using solder on the die's are true, and this thing clocks as well as it's bigger brothers, then maybe it's worth the premium, but only in a very niche view. i3's still work for gaming, so in a low heat ITX situation, I could understand it. I just don't see the average user needing a highly clocked i3, over a stock i5. HT is not magic after all. 

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reminds me of the G3258 , or Pentium K  , nice budget chip , but useless since you needed a board that could overclock wich was more expensive anyways 

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Just now, Space Reptile said:

reminds me of the G3258 , or Pentium K  , nice budget chip , but useless since you needed a board that could overclock wich was more expensive anyways 

At least it fit a space that allows for good performance while you saved up.

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1 minute ago, ARikozuM said:

At least it fit a space that allows for good performance while you saved up.

It was also only $50-$70. Was great for amateur overclockers to learn the trade, while only risking a $50-$75 CPU. This CPU is (rumored) to be more than twice that price. As I said before, $150 is the highest this CPU can be priced, without being completely overshadowed by the i5's. At $175, the difference between this i3 and an i5, is only $5. 

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5 minutes ago, Space Reptile said:

reminds me of the G3258 , or Pentium K  , nice budget chip , but useless since you needed a board that could overclock wich was more expensive anyways 

I overclocked my G3258 to 4.4 GHz on the stock cooler with a $50 crap H81 board that couldn't go above 1.2V vcore.

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Just now, ARikozuM said:

At least it fit a space that allows for good performance while you saved up.

i guess , but you might aswell buy a 3250 then wich was almost 20$ cheaper ,

also those price-hikes on the i5´s is not making me happy ,

all kaby does is give you a slightly higher stock clocks , IPC has improved 1~3% , not worth more money in my book 

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1 minute ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

I overclocked my G3258 to 4.4 GHz on the stock cooler with a $50 crap H81 board that couldn't go above 1.2V vcore.

really? i thought you needed something better than a h81 to overclock it , interesting , i might look into that , h81 boards are like 20€ and G3258´s shud drop aswell 

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Just now, Space Reptile said:

i guess , but you might aswell buy a 3250 then wich was almost 20$ cheaper ,

also those price-hikes on the i5´s is not making me happy ,

all kaby does is give you a slightly higher stock clocks , IPC has improved 1~3% , not worth more money in my book 

I haven't seen many G3258's that couldn't hit at least 3.9GHz, though.

3 minutes ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

$177 for a fucking i3 is stupid. If it was $135 then it would probably be a pretty solid budget gaming cpu but for $20 less than an i5 it's nuts.

This would be great if they lower the K-series i3 by .2GHz and kept the price at $140. That way quad-cores become $220 with the K-series being $240.

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3 hours ago, Prysin said:

OK, this is fucking sick new. GOOD news.

If this is true, it has the chance to revolutionize the lower end PCs.

 

I don't see it very revolutionary: $177 essentially covers the entire pre-Zen AMD range, where unlocked is the norm and locked is the exception. Yes, I understand the architectural advantages and all that, but an unlocked dual core CPU at FX-8350 prices is hardly a revolution, more like a marginal addition to the spectrum.

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1 hour ago, MageTank said:

If the rumors about Kaby using solder on the die's are true, and this thing clocks as well as it's bigger brothers, then maybe it's worth the premium, but only in a very niche view. i3's still work for gaming, so in a low heat ITX situation, I could understand it. I just don't see the average user needing a highly clocked i3, over a stock i5. HT is not magic after all. 

Well that would explain the price increase if true but I agree that the i3 and i5 prices are too close to be worthwhile

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6 hours ago, Prysin said:

BCLK OC required a external clock generator to bypass Intels forced BIOS "lockdown".

there was a bios tweak made availbe that removed that code but kept everthing else by some 3rd parties. 

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for $180 you could get a true quad core. i know its overclockable, but its still iffy

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