Mantle or Gsync for Gaming?

[ChrisCross]

Hi guys,

hope you can see my system under this comment...

so im planning to buy a new gpu and im not sure if it should be the 770 (330€) or the 280x (250€). because im not sure what the better technology is mantle api or gsync monitors.

so is it worth to spend 80€ more on the gpu and like 200€ for a new 24" monitor just to have that gsync?

all i understand from gsync (my english is not the best) was that it optimizes the connection between gpu and monitor so that you have less lag and stuttering. but is there a difference when you are <60fps all the time?

 

thanks for your help

[TymmVonD]

Hi guys,

hope you can see my system under this comment...

so im planning to buy a new gpu and im not sure if it should be the 770 (330€) or the 280x (250€). because im not sure what the better technology is mantle api or gsync monitors.

so is it worth to spend 80€ more on the gpu and like 200€ for a new 24" monitor just to have that gsync?

all i understand from gsync (my english is not the best) was that it optimizes the connection between gpu and monitor so that you have less lag and stuttering. but is there a difference when you are <60fps all the time?

 

thanks for your help

60 fps all the time? G-sync eliminates the need for Vsync. Just get a high refresh monitor and whatever GPU is killing the benchmarks at the time.

[Hunter259]

Again you cant compare gsync (Nsync) to mantle. Thats Apples to dirt. Mantle wont be an api that will be used very often and i highly doubt that it will give much of an increase in performance. Just choose what sounds best p/p.

[ChrisCross]

i know that i cant compare them but im trying to figure out what fits best to me. and mantle will be in bf4 which is enough for me

we will see how big or not big the performance difference is

[That Norwegian Guy]

I wouldn't choose based on any of them.

 

1) There currently isn't any indication whether G-sync will benefit Oculus Rift (?) in any way

2) Mantle, while a commendable effort, has been said by many developers to not be in widespread use and if it ever becomes heavily used, it will be further in the future, when you're probably soon to upgrade anyway. (5+ years, which is the default turnaround time for the industry at large)

[Ps_domingo]

Mantle = Better FPS but screens can still Lag, stutter, tear 

G-sync = less lag, no tearing and stutter. 

 

If you can get more than 60 FPs using G-sync you are golden. 

Also just to make it clear G-sync and Mantle can never really be compared for the FF reasons:

1) Mantle is software, G-sync is Hardware

2) Mantle address codes and communication, G -sync addresses communication between the monitor and the GPU

 

Mind you that something to take into consideration is your screen EVEN IF you are using a AMD solution. if your screen is at 60 herts, MAX FPS OUTPUTED REGARDLESS OF FRAPS or other Counting software is limited but the refresh rates of the monitor. 

 

[KaareKanin]

1) There currently isn't any indication whether G-sync will benefit Oculus Rift (?) in any way

 

I think they said G-Sync won't be on oculus the first time around (technical limitations that needs to be overcome), but judging from how enthusiastic Carmack was about G-Sync and what he had to say about it (basically that it would be way more important to have something like that in something like oculus than it would be to have it on a regular monitor), I wouldn't be surprised to see it happen. 

[Warcony]

Well basically g-sync reduces lag, stuttering and tearing on your screen by having the monitor adapt to the framerate outputted by your graphics card.  This will allow for significantly smoother gameplay even at a lower framerate.  Mantle on the other hand, is supposed to increase the performance of AMD cards.  So in theory you would have smoother gameplay via a software solution that boosts framerates.  You can't really compare them, but you can consider the fact that G-sync works provided you have a kepler gpu and a monitor with the g-sync chip; i.e. it will work no matter what game or scenario.  Mantle will only work with games whose developers have chosen to implement it.  Last thing to note: G-sync isn't tangible from benchmarks because it does not increase the performance of your gpu, just makes your game smoother, so don't just pick the card that is the best on benchmarks.

[That Norwegian Guy]

I think they said G-Sync won't be on oculus the first time around (technical limitations that needs to be overcome), but judging from how enthusiastic Carmack was about G-Sync and what he had to say about it (basically that it would be way more important to have something like that in something like oculus than it would be to have it on a regular monitor), I wouldn't be surprised to see it happen. 

 

That would be the feeling I had as well. Which is why G-sync is kind of a "soft" reason for me to go Nvidia this time, but Shadowplay is the "real" reason

 

 

Well basically g-sync reduces lag, stuttering and tearing on your screen by having the monitor adapt to the framerate outputted by your graphics card.  This will allow for significantly smoother gameplay even at a lower framerate.  Mantle on the other hand, is supposed to increase the performance of AMD cards.  So in theory you would have smoother gameplay via software solution.  You can't really compare them, but you can consider the fact that G-sync works provided you have a kepler gpu and a monitor with the g-sync chip; i.e. it will work no matter what game or scenario.  Mantle will only work with games whose developers have chosen to implement it.  Last thing to note: G-sync isn't tangible from benchmarks because it does not increase the performance of your gpu, just makes your game smoother, so don't just pick the card that is the best on benchmarks.

 

Precisely. So I guess the distinction between them in the future will be:

 

AMD: Potentially better frame rates

Nvidia: Better end user experience (but higher investment cost)

[ChrisCross]

to make it clear i will be ever over 60fps and my monitor is 75herts. i know that can only display 75fps but there is no difference between 75 and 60 but i just want to make sure that its never under 60. and i dont care about oculus i just want to play battlefield and mantle will be in bf4 so that is an option for me!

[Warcony]

 

Precisely. So I guess the distinction between them in the future will be:

 

AMD: Potentially better frame rates

Nvidia: Better end user experience (but higher investment cost)

 

Exactly!  Mantle is a gamble, that may or may not pay off for users.  Also Shadowplay is awesome as you said.

[That Norwegian Guy]

to make it clear i will be ever over 60fps and my monitor is 75herts. i know that can only display 75fps but there is no difference between 75 and 60 but i just want to make sure that its never under 60. and i dont care about oculus i just want to play battlefield and mantle will be in bf4 so that is an option for me!

 

OK cool, then for you, buying an AMD card would seem to make more sense, in the current landscape. Plus, it's cheaper

[ChrisCross]

OK cool, then for you, buying an AMD card would seem to make more sense, in the current landscape. Plus, it's cheaper

thats what i want to hear

[dasr1985]

I'm not againt the idea of mantle but when comparing it to a solution such as "the proposed" idea of Gsync (until we see performance reviews and benchmarks) it makes no sense to say that mantle is the better solution. I'm an nVidia user but I have no qualms against either company so please do not take this as a statment that nVidia is better over AMD or the vice.

What I'm getting at is that you should just choose the better solutino for you regardless of the company. If that happens to be AMD that's great, we all know they crank about hard hitting cards and depending on the tier they usually have higher a higher bus interface and sometimes more on board memory.

I would say that you can look at it like this:

You grab your AMD card, utilize mantle where it's available, and then you still have Gsync to fall back on later to smooth out your visual experience on the monitor itself.

This is dependent of course on everything working as intended, just remember that gsync is essentially a hardware fix with no software other than a GUI with possible macros.

[Blackterror25]

are you going to play games that support mantle? go for amd

or you not going to play games that support mantle and are in the market for a new monitor? go for Gsync

 

if no of the options apply to you just check your favorite games and what FPS you are able to get with those cards, then choose the best one that fits on your budget.

 

also wait until r9 290x witch is about to be released any day now.

[rentaspoon]

Id go for an AMD but wait for a 290x.

G sync isn't worth it until it is standardized

[DenVu]

for me gsync i hate stuttering/tearing