Titan Z (Maxwell) vs Titan X (Pascal)

[KostWarCZE]

Hey everyone on LTT forum, 

I need a help with chosing a GPU for my friend's rig. Its meant to be used on PRO gaming such as DotA, CS:GO,etc.. and next-gen games + Video edit and render.

So here is my question:
is it worth to buy Titan Z with maxwell (didnt find titanZ with Pascal yet) which has:
+ 2176 CUDA Cores,
- 712MHz Base Clock,
- 655Mhz Boost Clock,
- 3Gbps Memory Speed,
768-bit Memory interface Width (Titan X has 384-bit)
- 192GBps Memory Bladwidth.

Agains Titan X with Pascal? Which will be used on Next-gen games and video-edit + render?


Thanks for help, ! 
- David "RXT KostWarCZE" Košecký

[FloRolf]

ugh... Titan Z is outdated and was never really good. XP is overkil for cs and dota. get a 1060

[Unexas.]

You do not need a titan at all to play those games. a 1080 will be amazing for half the price.

[afyeung]

The Titan Z is using the Kepler Architecture. The Kepler Titans are roughly equivalent to a gtx 970.

[Mobby Dick]

9 minutes ago, KostWarCZE said:

Hey everyone on LTT forum, 

I need a help with chosing a GPU for my friend's rig. Its meant to be used on PRO gaming such as DotA, CS:GO,etc.. and next-gen games + Video edit and render.

So here is my question:
is it worth to buy Titan Z with maxwell (didnt find titanZ with Pascal yet) which has:
+ 2176 CUDA Cores,
- 712MHz Base Clock,
- 655Mhz Boost Clock,
- 3Gbps Memory Speed,
768-bit Memory interface Width (Titan X has 384-bit)
- 192GBps Memory Bladwidth.

Agains Titan X with Pascal? Which will be used on Next-gen games and video-edit + render?


Thanks for help, ! 
- David "RXT KostWarCZE" Košecký

Dont get a Titan Z, it was never a good card to buy. With a GTX 1060 you can easily hit 200+ fps is CSGO.

If you have too much money and want some overkill and good video editing you might consider a GTX 1080, but a Titan XP is just too much.

[ARikozuM]

Get a 1080. It'll do you just fine for editing and gaming.

[KostWarCZE]

Thanks all opinions. 

Its meant to be overkill without needed GPU upgrade so i don't care about price that much, but i agree that Titan Z is bad idea.

[Miguel Batista]

53 minutes ago, KostWarCZE said:

Thanks all opinions. 

Its meant to be overkill without needed GPU upgrade so i don't care about price that much, but i agree that Titan Z is bad idea.

You will always need to upgrade GPU. Maybe not next year or in two years time but next year a 1170 (or whatever its going to becalled) will have titan xp performance and the year after, a 1260 will be better (if the performance gains are as they are now). Buy something for what you need and upgrade more often is the best way to go. A 1080 will last you as long as a Titan xp for the games your friend plays and with the 600 bucks saved, you can take a vacation, buy a vr headset, buy a bike, get a lot of weed... All better uses for your money.

[Coaxialgamer]

Titan Z was actually Kepler , and is equivalent to dual titan black editions

[takitezsdc]

wrong.......in regards to the first few posts. .........and look at this.. http://www.overclock.net/t/1484155/nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan-z-owners-club/410
 

with the updates bios a titan Z  it will SMOKE a titan X and is close to a 1080!

[DXMember]

there's no Maxwell Z

Intel Iris Pro graphics are better than 80% of discrete GPUs

AMD A8 and A10 APUs are built with pro-gaming at hearth

[takitezsdc]

you guys are giving out BAD info and its a shame...........the titan z is one of and now is......the best cards out.

[79wjd]

9 minutes ago, takitezsdc said:

you guys are giving out BAD info and its a shame...........the titan z is one of and now is......the best cards out.

There is a KEPLER Titan Z, that thermal throttles and is a shitty version of two Titan Blacks in SLI, which is roughly two 970s in SLI, which is roughly a 1080. But you also have shitty SLI scaling issues, and the fact that a Titan Z is stupidly expensive. So I'd still happily take a 1070/Titan X (Maxwell)/980Ti over a Titan Z, and a Titan X (Pascal) is about 30% faster than a Titan Z. 

 

With PERFECT SLI Scaling (which doesn't exist in gaming):

Titan X Pascal 30% better than a 1080 = Titan Z. 

 

With realistic SLI Scaling a Titan Z will offer somewhere between a 970 and 1070 performance (depending on the game). 

[takitezsdc]

On 10/10/2016 at 3:06 PM, FloRolf said:

ugh... Titan Z is outdated and was never really good. XP is overkil for cs and dota. get a 1060

i am talking aboiut this post and a few others that bash the Z

[takitezsdc]

1 minute ago, djdwosk97 said:

There is a KEPLER Titan Z, that thermal throttles and is a shitty version of two Titan Blacks in SLI, which is roughly two 970s in SLI, which is roughly a 1080. But you also have shitty SLI scaling issues, and the fact that a Titan Z is stupidly expensive. So I'd still happily take a 1070/Titan X (Maxwell)/980Ti over a Titan Z, and a Titan X (Pascal) is about 30% faster than a Titan Z. 

wrong again..........the tian z is much faster than the titan 1070 and the 980! once you update the bios! and if u watercool it.......its is LIGHT SPEED! http://www.overclock.net/t/1484155/nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan-z-owners-club/410

 

go to link

[79wjd]

3 minutes ago, takitezsdc said:

wrong again..........the tian z is much faster than the titan 1070 and the 980! once you update the bios! and if u watercool it.......its is LIGHT SPEED! http://www.overclock.net/t/1484155/nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan-z-owners-club/410

 

go to link

Right, so if I spend $400+ on a custom water cooling loop and spend $3000 to buy a Titan Z, then I can get 1080 performance in games that have perfect SLI scaling, and in games that have bad SLI scaling or no SLI profile at all (which is most of them), then I can get 970-Fury-ish performance. OR I can spend $600 and get a 1080 which will perform at least the same if not better while consuming 1/3rd the power and not requiring a custom water cooling loop, and having better DX12 support. 

 

So, no, the Titan Z is not a good card. It is a shitty card now and it always has been. 

[takitezsdc]

6 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

Right, so if I spend $400+ on a custom water cooling loop and spend $3000 to buy a Titan Z, then I can get 1080 performance in games that have perfect SLI scaling, and in games that have bad SLI scaling or no SLI profile at all (which is most of them), then I can get 970-Fury-ish performance. OR I can spend $600 and get a 1080 which will perform at least the same if not better while consuming 1/3rd the power and not requiring a custom water cooling loop, and having better DX12 support. 

 

So, no, the Titan Z is not a good card. It is a shitty card now and it always has been. 

lol u can get a tian z for $1200 and a water block for $160! i just did it! lol..........so don't tell me that it isn't possible. and What game does not have a SLI profile that is popluar these days ? really?

[79wjd]

3 minutes ago, takitezsdc said:

lol u can get a tian z for $1200 and a water block for $160! i just did it! lol..........so don't tell me that it isn't possible.

So you paid $1360 to get $600 of performance in games that scale PERFECTLY in SLI, and $250 of performance in games that don't scale. Congratulations. 

[takitezsdc]

YEA FOR ME!!!  thanks !

[xAcid9]

Titan-X Pascal will shit on Titan-Z out of the box and will triple shit on games that doesn't scale with SLI. 

[FloRolf]

42 minutes ago, takitezsdc said:

lol u can get a tian z for $1200 and a water block for $160! i just did it! lol..........so don't tell me that it isn't possible. and What game does not have a SLI profile that is popluar these days ? really?

You failed really hard in doing so. But that was your decision so I don't really care. 

And there are quite a few games that don't have an sli profile or have a shitty one. 

Gg. 

[79wjd]

56 minutes ago, takitezsdc said:

and What game does not have a SLI profile that is popluar these days ? really?

Total War: Warhammer:

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_1070_2_way_sli_review,16.html

• At 4k, 1070 SLI is 46% faster than a single 1070
• At 1440p, 1070 SLI is 9% faster 
• At 1080p, 1070 SLI is 16% SLOWER

Ashes: 

• At 1440p, 1070 SLI is 39% faster

Far Cry Primal: 

• At 4k, 1070 SLI is 77% faster
• At 1440p, 1070 SLI is 32% faster
• At 1080p, 1070 SLI is 13% SLOWER

And the last continues..... 

 

 

So most AAA titles will have an SLI profile at some point, but usually not at launch (or even in the first few weeks), and the scaling varies from awful (worse performance than a single Titan) to still worse than a single 1080. And none AAA titles have a good chance to never get an SLI profile. 

 

[ARikozuM]

1 minute ago, djdwosk97 said:

Total War: Warhammer:

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_1070_2_way_sli_review,16.html

• At 4k, 1070 SLI is 46% faster than a single 1070
• At 1440p, 1070 SLI is 9% faster 
• At 1080p, 1070 SLI is 16% SLOWER

Ashes: 

• At 1440p, 1070 SLI is 39% faster

Far Cry Primal: 

• At 4k, 1070 SLI is 77% faster
• At 1440p, 1070 SLI is 32% faster
• At 1080p, 1070 SLI is 13% SLOWER

So most AAA titles will have an SLI profile at some point, but usually not at launch (or even in the first few weeks), and the scaling varies from awful (worse performance than a single Titan) to still worse than a single 1080. And none AAA titles have a good chance to never get an SLI profile. 

 

Aside from myself, I don't think more than 20 people (on this forum) play Ashes or Total War. They mostly see these games as benchmarks. To be honest, of course.

[Festive]

1 hour ago, takitezsdc said:

lol u can get a tian z for $1200 and a water block for $160! i just did it! lol..........so don't tell me that it isn't possible. and What game does not have a SLI profile that is popluar these days ? really?

So in short, you are spewing pure shit to protect your own bad purchase. If you made a huge mistake, which you did, don't try to persuade others to make the same mistake. 

 

OP, I would suggest a 1060 but if you want overkill I would suggest a 1080.. If you want stupidly overkill while wasting money then Titan XP. Titan Z was and is a bad card/option.

[79wjd]

1 hour ago, ARikozuM said:

Aside from myself, I don't think more than 20 people (on this forum) play Ashes or Total War. They mostly see these games as benchmarks. To be honest, of course.

True, but I just picked those because they were the first ones in the list -- the rest all show somewhat similar (and expected) results.