Posted September 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, The Benjamins said: But it saves on physical space. its easier to cool 1 med/high TDP chip then to 2 low/med Chips. (space wise) and AMD's iGPU are pretty good, and I think the rumor is polaris will be in the zen APU. think about NUC's they exist due to the fact CPU's have a iGPU and a NUC fits most peoples use cases. bullshit the iGPUs started in the chipset and it didn't make the chipset any larger compared to it's regular counterparts as for Polaris .. don't get me started it's a very power inefficient arch - just like everything Radeon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 23, 2016 1 minute ago, zMeul said: bullshit the iGPUs started in the chipset and it didn't make the chipset any larger compared to it's regular counterparts But it needed cooling. I have several motherboards with chipset 80mm fans and heatsinks the same size as the intel stock cooler Archangel (Desktop) CPU: i5 4590 GPU:Asus R9 280 3GB RAM:HyperX Beast 2x4GBPSU:SeaSonic S12G 750W Mobo:GA-H97m-HD3 Case:CM Silencio 650 Storage:1 TB WD RedCelestial (Laptop 1) CPU:i7 4720HQ GPU:GTX 860M 4GB RAM:2x4GB SK Hynix DDR3Storage: 250GB 850 EVO Model:Lenovo Y50-70Seraph (Laptop 2) CPU:i7 6700HQ GPU:GTX 970M 3GB RAM:2x8GB DDR4Storage: 256GB Samsung 951 + 1TB Toshiba HDD Model:Asus GL502VTWindows 10 is now MSX! - http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/440190-can-we-start-calling-windows-10/page-6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 23, 2016 4 minutes ago, zMeul said: bullshit the iGPUs started in the chipset and it didn't make the chipset any larger compared to it's regular counterparts It is not just the size of the chipset but the cooling need for it. and Intel and AMD are working towards faster iGPU's that will increases size and cooling requirements. both Intel and AMD die is getting more space o used by the GPU. if you want to annoy me, then join my teamspeak server ts.benja.cc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 23, 2016 Just now, The Benjamins said: It is not just the size of the chipset but the cooling need for it. and Intel and AMD are working towards faster iGPU's that will increases size and cooling requirements. both Intel and AMD die is getting more space o used by the GPU. have you seen the prices of the Intel's Iris PRO powered CPUs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 23, 2016 7 minutes ago, zMeul said: as for Polaris .. don't get me started it's a very power inefficient arch - just like everything Radeon just pointing out the the zen APUs will have a faster GPU. the current ones use GCN 1/1.1 2 minutes ago, zMeul said: have you seen the prices of the Intel's Iris PRO powered CPUs? What about it? if you want to annoy me, then join my teamspeak server ts.benja.cc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 23, 2016 Just now, The Benjamins said: just pointing out the the zen APUs will have a faster GPU. the current ones use GCN 1/1.1 who cares!??! sincerely is it going to be anything at the level of a at least GTX960? no ... then why!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 23, 2016 Just now, zMeul said: who cares!??! sincerely is it going to be anything at the level of a at least GTX960? no ... then why!? Actually, it will likely reach a 950 on the high-end ones. That's no small feat Archangel (Desktop) CPU: i5 4590 GPU:Asus R9 280 3GB RAM:HyperX Beast 2x4GBPSU:SeaSonic S12G 750W Mobo:GA-H97m-HD3 Case:CM Silencio 650 Storage:1 TB WD RedCelestial (Laptop 1) CPU:i7 4720HQ GPU:GTX 860M 4GB RAM:2x4GB SK Hynix DDR3Storage: 250GB 850 EVO Model:Lenovo Y50-70Seraph (Laptop 2) CPU:i7 6700HQ GPU:GTX 970M 3GB RAM:2x8GB DDR4Storage: 256GB Samsung 951 + 1TB Toshiba HDD Model:Asus GL502VTWindows 10 is now MSX! - http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/440190-can-we-start-calling-windows-10/page-6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 23, 2016 Just now, zMeul said: who cares!??! sincerely is it going to be anything at the level of a at least GTX960? no ... then why!? If they can provide a value 750ti/rx 460 performance then they got themselves a winner. a lot of countries are still not running on a 1080p setup. Philippines being one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 23, 2016 10 minutes ago, kokobash said: If they can provide a value 750ti/rx 460 performance then they got themselves a winner. a lot of countries are still not running on a 1080p setup. Philippines being one. A downclocked RX 460 would perform like a 750 Ti and be about 60W so yes, a 95W Zen APU is possible Archangel (Desktop) CPU: i5 4590 GPU:Asus R9 280 3GB RAM:HyperX Beast 2x4GBPSU:SeaSonic S12G 750W Mobo:GA-H97m-HD3 Case:CM Silencio 650 Storage:1 TB WD RedCelestial (Laptop 1) CPU:i7 4720HQ GPU:GTX 860M 4GB RAM:2x4GB SK Hynix DDR3Storage: 250GB 850 EVO Model:Lenovo Y50-70Seraph (Laptop 2) CPU:i7 6700HQ GPU:GTX 970M 3GB RAM:2x8GB DDR4Storage: 256GB Samsung 951 + 1TB Toshiba HDD Model:Asus GL502VTWindows 10 is now MSX! - http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/440190-can-we-start-calling-windows-10/page-6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 23, 2016 8 minutes ago, kokobash said: If they can provide a value 750ti/rx 460 performance then they got themselves a winner. a lot of countries are still not running on a 1080p setup. Philippines being one. have you seen the size and the power draw of the RX460? putting that besides a CPU core is utter stupidity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 23, 2016 Just now, zMeul said: have you seen the size and the power draw of the RX460? putting that besides a CPU core is utter stupidity 75W at full clocks - bin it and downclock and you get a 55-60W GPU core + 35W Zen 14nm CPU (like the ones in laptops - i5 6300HQ is 45W) Archangel (Desktop) CPU: i5 4590 GPU:Asus R9 280 3GB RAM:HyperX Beast 2x4GBPSU:SeaSonic S12G 750W Mobo:GA-H97m-HD3 Case:CM Silencio 650 Storage:1 TB WD RedCelestial (Laptop 1) CPU:i7 4720HQ GPU:GTX 860M 4GB RAM:2x4GB SK Hynix DDR3Storage: 250GB 850 EVO Model:Lenovo Y50-70Seraph (Laptop 2) CPU:i7 6700HQ GPU:GTX 970M 3GB RAM:2x8GB DDR4Storage: 256GB Samsung 951 + 1TB Toshiba HDD Model:Asus GL502VTWindows 10 is now MSX! - http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/440190-can-we-start-calling-windows-10/page-6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 23, 2016 Just now, don_svetlio said: A downclocked RX 460 would perform like a 750 Ti and be about 60W so yes, a 95W Zen APU is possible Hopefully. Hoping that the CPU wont clockdown too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 23, 2016 Just now, kokobash said: Hopefully. Hoping that the CPU wont clockdown too. Depends on a lot of things. Archangel (Desktop) CPU: i5 4590 GPU:Asus R9 280 3GB RAM:HyperX Beast 2x4GBPSU:SeaSonic S12G 750W Mobo:GA-H97m-HD3 Case:CM Silencio 650 Storage:1 TB WD RedCelestial (Laptop 1) CPU:i7 4720HQ GPU:GTX 860M 4GB RAM:2x4GB SK Hynix DDR3Storage: 250GB 850 EVO Model:Lenovo Y50-70Seraph (Laptop 2) CPU:i7 6700HQ GPU:GTX 970M 3GB RAM:2x8GB DDR4Storage: 256GB Samsung 951 + 1TB Toshiba HDD Model:Asus GL502VTWindows 10 is now MSX! - http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/440190-can-we-start-calling-windows-10/page-6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 23, 2016 Author Just now, zMeul said: have you seen the size and the power draw of the RX460? putting that besides a CPU core is utter stupidity What? The Polaris 11 Chip that is used on the RX 460 is smaller than a GDDR5 chip... Besides, it isn't running hot, and don't draws much power (For a GPU) Main PC: R7 3700X / Gigabyte X570 I Aorus Pro Wifi / Radeon RX 5700 XT / 32GB DDR4-3200 / 250GB & 2TB Crucial MX500 (in HP Prodesk 400 Case) Laptop: R5 2500U / Radeon Vega 8 / 8GB DDR4-2400 / 500GB SK Hynix BC501 (HP Envy x360 13) My little Server: i7-7700 / Asrock H110M-ITX / 24GB DDR4-2400 / Samsung 860 Pro 250GB & Seagate Firecuda 2TB / VMware ESXi 6.7 (Don't tell me i should Name them, i don't want to ^^) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 23, 2016 Just now, zMeul said: have you seen the size and the power draw of the RX460? putting that besides a CPU core is utter stupidity I'm just saying performance wise and not putting exactly an RX460 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, TheLaserCucumber said: What? The Polaris 11 Chip that is used on the RX 460 is smaller than a GDDR5 chip... Besides, it isn't running hot, and don't draws much power (For a GPU) because a GDDR5 is so small, right?! 12mm x 14mm and the RX460 draws somewhere around 75W - my i5 6500 draws less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 23, 2016 Author 1 minute ago, zMeul said: because a GDDR5 is so small, right?! 12mm x 14mm and the RX460 draws somewhere around 75W - my i5 6500 draws less I said for a GPU. Can't you read? And I don't meant iGPU. Only dGPU. Main PC: R7 3700X / Gigabyte X570 I Aorus Pro Wifi / Radeon RX 5700 XT / 32GB DDR4-3200 / 250GB & 2TB Crucial MX500 (in HP Prodesk 400 Case) Laptop: R5 2500U / Radeon Vega 8 / 8GB DDR4-2400 / 500GB SK Hynix BC501 (HP Envy x360 13) My little Server: i7-7700 / Asrock H110M-ITX / 24GB DDR4-2400 / Samsung 860 Pro 250GB & Seagate Firecuda 2TB / VMware ESXi 6.7 (Don't tell me i should Name them, i don't want to ^^) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 23, 2016 Just now, TheLaserCucumber said: I said for a GPU. Can't you read? this is the RX460 GPU: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 23, 2016 3 minutes ago, zMeul said: because a GDDR5 is so small, right?! 12mm x 14mm and the RX460 draws somewhere around 75W - my i5 6500 draws less But most i7s draw more. Your point? Archangel (Desktop) CPU: i5 4590 GPU:Asus R9 280 3GB RAM:HyperX Beast 2x4GBPSU:SeaSonic S12G 750W Mobo:GA-H97m-HD3 Case:CM Silencio 650 Storage:1 TB WD RedCelestial (Laptop 1) CPU:i7 4720HQ GPU:GTX 860M 4GB RAM:2x4GB SK Hynix DDR3Storage: 250GB 850 EVO Model:Lenovo Y50-70Seraph (Laptop 2) CPU:i7 6700HQ GPU:GTX 970M 3GB RAM:2x8GB DDR4Storage: 256GB Samsung 951 + 1TB Toshiba HDD Model:Asus GL502VTWindows 10 is now MSX! - http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/440190-can-we-start-calling-windows-10/page-6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, zMeul said: because a GDDR5 is so small, right?! 12mm x 14mm and the RX460 draws somewhere around 75W - my i5 6500 draws less The Xbox Scorpio is said to be a AMD APU, and that has a 6 Tflop GPU in it. that is RX480/470 performance. if you want to annoy me, then join my teamspeak server ts.benja.cc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 23, 2016 1 minute ago, The Benjamins said: The Xbox Scorpio is said to be a AMD APU, and that has a 6 Tflop GPU in it. that is RX480/470 performance. maybe if they add the CPU compute and iGPU compute and it will be hot as fuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 23, 2016 Just now, zMeul said: maybe if they add the CPU compute and iGPU compute and it will hot as fuck I dont think it would be that bad. even if the package (in the Scorpio) was 200W, that can easily be cooled. if you want to annoy me, then join my teamspeak server ts.benja.cc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Posted September 24, 2016 For you guys arguing about the potential of an RX460 igpu, let's look at it from a more logical standpoint. The current top of the line apus have how many stream processors? 512 which gpu is that? Cape Verde pro, specifically the Radeon 7750. What's the tdp of the 7750? 75 watts.What's the die size of the 7750? 123mm squared. So now what's the tdp of the RX460? 75 watts. What's the die size of the RX460? Surprise surprise 123mm squared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 24, 2016 11 hours ago, zMeul said: have you seen the prices of the Intel's Iris PRO powered CPUs? Early adopter tax. We also got the 5775C much cheaper than LAPTOP Iris Pro chips (that cost a ton because of binning for thermal demands). 11 hours ago, zMeul said: maybe if they add the CPU compute and iGPU compute and it will be hot as fuck No, that's just the GPU 2304 * 2 * 1.3*10^9 = 5.9904*10^12 That's a slightly OC, uncut Polaris 10 after some foundry and packaging tweaks. If we get 4 CPU cores at 1GHz that have AVX2 units on them, that's 4 * (256/32) * 2 * 1*10^9 = 64GFlops. 11 hours ago, The Benjamins said: I dont think it would be that bad. even if the package (in the Scorpio) was 200W, that can easily be cooled. It will require some hefty cooling, loud cooling at that if the whole package is 200W. Software Engineer for Suncorp (Australia), Computer Tech Enthusiast, Miami University Graduate, Nerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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