RX 480 vs GTX 1060

[GirlFromYonder]

24 minutes ago, Bleedingyamato said:

Why would a 1060 not be good for DX12?

well dx12 uses async which nvidia lacks. that is my in dx11 the 980ti was better but in dx 12 the fury x is.

 

 

 

 

funny to think that when the fury x was being released people thought it would beat the 980ti.....well it did but when it was about to be obsolete lol. 

[GirlFromYonder]

3 minutes ago, Bleedingyamato said:

A 1070 would be preferable vs. a 970 too.  The 1070 is more powerful, uses less power, has more VRAM which along with better driver support into the future.

 

Also benchmarks have shown the 1070 to be roughly equal to a 980ti with each card doing slightly better depending on what game is being run.  So listing the 980 ti above the 1070 is flawed reasoning.  

but find me a brand new 1070 at $240. i will give my house to you.

[App4that]

3 minutes ago, DeezNoNos said:

well dx12 uses async which nvidia lacks. that is my in dx11 the 980ti was better but in dx 12 the fury x is.

 

 

 

 

funny to think that when the fury x was being released people thought it would beat the 980ti.....well it did but when it was about to be obsolete lol. 

The Fury X does not beat an overclocked 980ti ROFL. 

[GirlFromYonder]

1 minute ago, App4that said:

The Fury X does not beat an overclocked 980ti ROFL. 

but on stocks it does. so it did deliver. And most people dont oc. 

[App4that]

3 minutes ago, DeezNoNos said:

but on stocks it does. so it did deliver. And most people dont oc. 

No lol, they put the 989ti to reference clock speeds, no one runs a 980ti at reference clock speeds. They boost past that on their own. Reference speed for a 980ti is 1000MHz, my 980ti runs at 1500mhz. See the problem with comparing a 980ti at 1000MHz to another card?

[GirlFromYonder]

4 minutes ago, App4that said:

No lol, they put the 989ti to reference clock speeds, no one runs a 980ti at reference clock speeds. They boost past that on their own. Reference speed for a 980ti is 1000MHz, my 980ti runs at 1500mhz. See the problem with comparing a 980ti at 1000MHz to another card?

yeah but that is oced right. Now i dont wanna argue over that a normal person wont oc. U know he wont. It is us enthusiastes(murdered the spelling)  

[App4that]

1 minute ago, DeezNoNos said:

yeah but that is oced right. Now i dont wanna argue over that a normal person wont oc. U know he wont. It is us enthusiastes(murdered the spelling)  

Mine boosts on its own to 1366, that's were it runs right out of the box no overclock applied. That's not a factory overclock ether. And I have a reference PCB, no fancy power delivery or bios. 

 

AMD makes amazing midrange cards. My last two cards were a 290 and 390 for a reason. But don't let that blind you to what the 980ti is capable of.

[Bleedingyamato]

18 minutes ago, DeezNoNos said:

but find me a brand new 1070 at $240. i will give my house to you.

True.  If 970 level performance is what someone wants then yes a non-reference 480 would be better than a 970.  

 

Or or if a cheaper price was important.  

 

Too bad a 1070 won't ever be that cheap for new at least.  I wouldn't mind owning a home.  lol

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

9 minutes ago, DeezNoNos said:

yeah but that is oced right. Now i dont wanna argue over that a normal person wont oc. U know he wont. It is us enthusiastes(murdered the spelling)  

 

Can't say I disagree. I've planned and built alot of gaming systems for my friends and not one of them is interested in overclocking. 

 

6 minutes ago, App4that said:

Mine boosts on its own to 1366, that's were it runs right out of the box no overclock applied. That's not a factory overclock ether. And I have a reference PCB, no fancy power delivery or bios. 

 

AMD makes amazing midrange cards. My last two cards were a 290 and 390 for a reason. But don't let that blind you to what the 980ti is capable of.

 

Ha! I boost to 1367. Superior cooling my ASS  

 

Though, isn't your hybrid factory overclocked to 1140mhz? 

[App4that]

2 minutes ago, Pohernori said:

 

Can't say I disagree. I've planned and built alot of gaming systems for my friends and not one of them is interested in overclocking. 

 

 

Ha! I boost to 1367. Superior cooling my ASS  

 

Though, isn't your hybrid factory overclocked to 1140mhz? 

That's my point, I have a reference PCB, not a custom one like yours. My card isn't about overclocking, wasn't even marketed as such by EVGA. It's marketed as a "plug and play" card. All about those temps, which are as advertised. 

 

Claimed overclocks don't mean jack, you know that. Comes down to luck where they boost. 

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

1 minute ago, App4that said:

That's my point, I have a reference PCB, not a custom one like yours. My card isn't about overclocking, wasn't even marketed as such by EVGA. It's marketed as a "plug and play" card. All about those temps, which are as advertised. 

 

Claimed overclocks don't mean jack, you know that. Comes down to luck where they boost. 

 

Joke my friend. I'm just poking fun at the "better cooling = better OC". Of course, your card will still boost further with more voltage. 

 

Well. You can already roughly see what number the cards boost to if you look at their base clocks. The reason we're boosting to nearly the same number is because we have the same 1140mhz base clock(And probably similar asic quality). Our cards are factory overclocked  to 1140mhz as the base compared to 1000mhz. 

[AlTech]

3 hours ago, Bleedingyamato said:

Why would a 1060 not be good for DX12?

Because AMD has Dedicated DX12 hardware with Async Compute Engines. Nvidia has no equivalent and has 7 less shader pipelines than AMD.

 

SO basically Nvidia only has DX12 Software Emulation. Their hardware is good for DX11 but not 12.

Edited July 13, 2016 by AluminiumTech
Fixed a typo

[Bleedingyamato]

3 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

Because AMD has Dedicated DX12 hardware with Async Compute Engines. Nvidia has no equivalent and has 7 less shader pieplines than AMD.

 

SO basically Nvidia only has DX12 Software Emulation. Their hardware is good for DX11 but not 12.

That's odd Nvidia wouldn't have done something about that for their 1000 series GPUs.  

 

Any chance Nvidia will do something about that?

[AlTech]

1 minute ago, Bleedingyamato said:

That's odd Nvidia wouldn't have done something about that for their 1000 series GPUs.  

 

Any chance Nvidia will do something about that?

Nvidia can't change their hardware overnight. If they make any changes it's coming in the next GPU Series.

[Bleedingyamato]

3 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

Nvidia can't change their hardware overnight. If they make any changes it's coming in the next GPU Series.

I mean like maybe with a 1080 ti since I assume they're going to make one.

[GirlFromYonder]

2 minutes ago, Bleedingyamato said:

I mean like maybe with a 1080 ti since I assume they're going to make one.

they will be take this. Pascal = maxwell on 16 mm. Reducing from 28 to 16 SPECIALLY ON GPU is HARD. THat is why we were on 28 for 5 years when in the 2000s there would be a node shrink almost every new series. LIke intel's tick tock just 1 year faster. 

[AlTech]

4 minutes ago, Bleedingyamato said:

I mean like maybe with a 1080 ti since I assume they're going to make one.

Only the Titan P can perform differently at this point. The Titan P will use a different Cuda Core Arrangement than the rest of Pascal. 

 

It's possible the Titan P could have better DX 12 performance But i doubt any Pascal GPU will.

[AlTech]

4 minutes ago, DeezNoNos said:

they will be take this. Pascal = maxwell on 16 mm. Reducing from 28 to 16 SPECIALLY ON GPU is HARD. THat is why we were on 28 for 5 years when in the 2000s there would be a node shrink almost every new series. LIke intel's tick tock just 1 year faster. 

The only reason it's hard is because of the die size. That's it. And it's getting harder since a lot of silicon doesn't clock as well as Nvidia wants.

[GirlFromYonder]

And also the fact is even intel stoped the tick tock. According to that we should be on 10nm now but we the next one will still be 14 nm. We are getting close to the limits of silicon. 

 

 

Except a new revolution in coming. THIS IS THE INFORMATION REVOLUTION!!

[AlTech]

2 minutes ago, DeezNoNos said:

And also the fact is even intel stoped the tick tock. According to that we should be on 10nm now but we the next one will still be 14 nm. We are getting close to the limits of silicon. 

 

 

Except a new revolution in coming. THIS IS THE INFORMATION REVOLUTION!!

I heard rumors that the Fury X was the biggest die AMD could possibly make on 28nm.

 

Now i have no difficulty believing them. The problem with this AMD vs Nvidia is how they choose to build GPUs.

 

Nvidia builds GPUs with less Stream Processors and higher clockspeeds while AMD builds GPUS with more stream processors and lower clockspeeds.

 

I think AMD's method is better for DX12 where physical resources matter more and Nvidia's method is better for DX11 where physical resources don't matter so much.

[Bleedingyamato]

14 minutes ago, DeezNoNos said:

they will be take this. Pascal = maxwell on 16 mm. Reducing from 28 to 16 SPECIALLY ON GPU is HARD. THat is why we were on 28 for 5 years when in the 2000s there would be a node shrink almost every new series. LIke intel's tick tock just 1 year faster. 

Sorry I don't understand what you said in your first sentence.  Do you mean Nvidia will be making a 1080 ti, they won't be, or am I misunderstanding your meaning entirely?  

[AlTech]

5 minutes ago, Bleedingyamato said:

Sorry I don't understand what you said in your first sentence.  Do you mean Nvidia will be making a 1080 ti, they won't be, or am I misunderstanding your meaning entirely?  

The first sentences explained that Pascal is a die shrink of Maxwell.

 

It's like Broadwell and Haswell if you remember. Broadwell is like Pascal and Haswell is like Maxwell in this case.

[Bleedingyamato]

3 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

The first sentences explained that Pascal is a die shrink of Maxwell.

 

It's like Broadwell and Haswell if you remember. Broadwell is like Pascal and Haswell is like Maxwell in this case.

Oh.  But what does that have to do with the possibility of a 1080 ti being made?  Sorry I'm confused...

 

Also, I didn't start getting into PC hardware until about last February and even now I know very little compared to many users here.  I'm only slightly familiar with Skylake and not really at all with previous Intel CPUs sorry.

[Thomas Ace]

To me the GTX 1060 isn't worth the 50USD compared to the RX 480, Driver updates will come the the RX 480 and definitely improve performance not to mention prices for both GPU'S will definitely drop in the following months. 

[AlTech]

3 hours ago, Bleedingyamato said:

Oh.  But what does that have to do with the possibility of a 1080 ti being made?  Sorry I'm confused...

 

Also, I didn't start getting into PC hardware until about last February and even now I know very little compared to many users here.  I'm only slightly familiar with Skylake and not really at all with previous Intel CPUs sorry.

Ok.

 

So this is how things work in GPUs and CPUs.

 

Normally one year a company focuses on making a new architecture which has better performance

 

The next year they make a new architecture with the same deisgn as the previous one but built on a different manufacturing process so that it consumes less power.

 

 

Edited July 13, 2016 by AluminiumTech
Added some more details.