What to do about the Government?

[nicehat]

Last I checked, a Democrat was elected president and the Senate majority is Democrat, you were saying?

 

Come on, don't be this naive on politics. Look at the mess the country is in with Democratic majority, like you are implying would make the country a utopia.

 

HA, you are funny. If you think that the gov't shut down is due to anything but the absolute ineptness of the Neo-cons and Tea Party maggots that have Boehner firmly by the ballsack, you are helpless. The scum of the earth is the Tea Party and the idiots that are card holders. I am absolutely unapologetic about that fact of the universe. And thats an insult to Earth scum. 

[Mooshi]

HA, you are funny. If you think that the gov't shut down is due to anything but the absolute ineptness of the Neo-cons and Tea Party maggots that have Boehner firmly by the ballsack, you are helpless. The scum of the earth is the Tea Party and the idiots that are card holders. I am absolutely unapologetic about that fact of the universe. And thats an insult to Earth scum. 

 

Says the one being lead around by the democratic political string. Instead of using sound argument, you go to the lowest demonstrator of insulting. Any ounce of credibility you have is instantly destroyed, I hope you know this. The right is just as guilty, but to completely ignore the terrible policies of the left, even going so far as praising what is driving the country into more debt, you are not a credible source for debating politics.

 

You're the one praising the left and wants the entire country to follow that path when it has been for years.

[nicehat]

Says the one being lead around by the democratic political string. Instead of using sound argument, you go to the lowest demonstrator of insulting. Any ounce of credibility you have is instantly destroyed, I hope you know this. The right is just as guilty, but to completely ignore the terrible policies of the left, even going so far as praising what is driving the country into more debt, you are not a credible source for debating politics.

 

You're the one praising the left and wants the entire country to follow that path when it has been for years.

 

Wow did I insult you? As far as I knew I was talking about the Neo cons and the Tea Party handlers of the GOP, never thought you were involved in that one. And I never knew that you knew what Party I adhered to. Cool you're a mind reader and a magician concocting personal insults out of thin air. 

 

And I praise the left and want the entire country to follow that path when it has been for years? Sweet, I didnt know I was praising anyone. I thought I was telling it how it is about the GOP. 

[Mooshi]

There is "telling it like it is" and then there is just being a childish finger pointer. I used to be like you. I used to slander  the GOP at every given opportunity and as vocal as possible. Anyone with even slight conservative leanings, I would bash them. I would join all the sites and talk with like minded folks that the GOP was scum and how every republican should die ect. ect. Then I grew up and realized how crazy I sounded.

 

You'll understand one day.

[mr moose]

sell your house and move to Canada

You can run , but you cannot hide. All governments of the world are cut from the same fabric.  They are all just as bad as each other.  we all had a pretty good run economically in the 90's and early 2000. but since then there has been a really poor handling of debt in a few countries which has caused a rocky economic outlook to become a financial disaster.  Now all governments are behaving badly.

 

You can say that again.The problem starts when the ones who create the problem cant come to a resolution as to remedy the situation.

 

I heard this once a long time ago and it has been true ever since I can remember:  "The cause of the problem is government and the solution to the problem is government."

 

At the end of the day the government is there to "govern" this means to control or regulate within predefined parameters. If the economy, welfrare or anything pertaining to the people of the land falls outside these parameters then the government has failed. That is not just the government of the day but any government that signed in any legislation that causes said issues.

 

Anyone who specifically blames a party and not the overall policy implications from both sides is clearly a rusted on, one eyed supporter one particular party and does not think openly about the issues. All governemnets around the world need a left and right party.  It is only when you get a side in government that is poorly experienced and too far to their side that the problems become  dangerous. A classic example is Australian labout party, A left socialist party that was great for the country in the early 80's, but they changed leaders and messed up the country in the late 80's. The right got in and fixed the country but then we had a really poor government come in and mess the country up even worse. Not because they were left but because they were inexperienced and useless. Now we have a right leaning government again we will see what happens. 

 

Over there (idon't know much about US politics) from the outside it looks like it is not a left/right issue. None of the problems seem to be a result of socialist policy but just an innept government that can't get it's shit together enough to deal with the issues. There is nothing wrong with national healthcare, so long as it has a sound base and doesn't upset the other parts of the economy.

[Vitalius]

There is "telling it like it is" and then there is just being a childish finger pointer. I used to be like you. I used to slander  the GOP at every given opportunity and as vocal as possible. Anyone with even slight conservative leanings, I would bash them. I would join all the sites and talk with like minded folks that the GOP was scum and how every republican should die ect. ect. Then I grew up and realized how crazy I sounded.

 

You'll understand one day.

Thank you.

[nicehat]

There is "telling it like it is" and then there is just being a childish finger pointer. I used to be like you. I used to slander  the GOP at every given opportunity and as vocal as possible. Anyone with even slight conservative leanings, I would bash them. I would join all the sites and talk with like minded folks that the GOP was scum and how every republican should die ect. ect. Then I grew up and realized how crazy I sounded.

 

You'll understand one day.

 

Yea? So you tell it how it is huh? Cool, maybe you should come down from your high horse and grace a seat of the Supreme Court with your god like credentials?...

 

And you think I slander the GOP whenever possible? No, not always, just lately since the Govt shut down. Listen, you live in TX, your state is opting out anyway..Enjoy your tax and State cuts.

 

Oh btw, dont get sick.

[Slaeowulf]

Actually, in America you do have the ability to pass your own bills/amendments. 
Here's a cause you might like - http://www.wolf-pac.com/ - They are campaigning to get rid of the legalised bribery that exists in American politics. Doing that would be HUGE, and do the whole system a tonne of good

[Mooshi]

Mr. Jersey. We're both Americans. We both have to endure the madness within our country. So, I'm leaving with this.

 

 

I think all Americans can agree to this comment. This is why the country is divided the way it is and shows just what is going on. It's a game of political sabotage where the American citizen is the loser.

 

PS: Even though I'm from Texas, I can't stand Rick Perry!

[zerouplol12]

commit mass suicide 

 

remember its not about the money

 

its about sending a message

 

jk ,there is nothiing you could do 

[nicehat]

Mr. Jersey. We're both Americans. We both have to endure the madness within our country. So, I'm leaving with this.

 

 

I think all Americans can agree to this comment. This is why the country is divided the way it is and shows just what is going on. It's a game of political sabotage where the American citizen is the loser.

 

PS: Even though I'm from Texas, I can't stand Rick Perry!

 

You know what? I agree with your comment. Completely. Im actually an independent voter and thinker myself. However, the track record of GW has had me leaning Democrat ever since voting age. And this shutdown pushes my current leanings further. But I agree that the Country is going no where with the quagmire in DC. But the founders had it at least 10 times as tough when the country was born. We;ll get through this. 

[Mooshi]

You know what? I agree with your comment. Completely. Im actually an independent voter and thinker myself. However, the track record of GW has had me leaning Democrat ever since voting age. And this shutdown pushes my current leanings further. But I agree that the Country is going no where with the quagmire in DC. But the founders had it at least 10 times as tough when the country was born. We;ll get through this. 

 

Sometimes we misjudge each other and this leads to a heated argument when all along, you realize you actually share some points of view. Sorry if I was being stubborn earlier. Americans shouldn't be divided.

[nicehat]

Sometimes we misjudge each other and this leads to a heated argument when all along, you realize you actually share some points of view. Sorry if I was being stubborn earlier. Americans shouldn't be divided.

 

Np, and the same apology to you if I offended. Now about your choice with Intel and nVidia.....

[Mooshi]

Np, and the same apology to you if I offended. Now about your choice with Intel and nVidia.....

 

And your choice of AMD and.....AMD...

[mr moose]

Mr. Jersey. We're both Americans. We both have to endure the madness within our country. So, I'm leaving with this.

 

 

I think all Americans can agree to this comment. This is why the country is divided the way it is and shows just what is going on. It's a game of political sabotage where the American citizen is the loser.

 

PS: Even though I'm from Texas, I can't stand Rick Perry!

 

I feel this supports what I said earlier, in that if one side of politics isn't so inept as to introduce damaging legislation then the otherside would not feel the need to undo it.

[Titanicium]

You know what? I agree with your comment. Completely. Im actually an independent voter and thinker myself. However, the track record of GW has had me leaning Democrat ever since voting age. And this shutdown pushes my current leanings further. But I agree that the Country is going no where with the quagmire in DC. But the founders had it at least 10 times as tough when the country was born. We;ll get through this. 

 

Well back then people actually had a spine too...

[Lil Chillbil]

This thread will get locked soon enough 

[SMURG]

@SMURG I like how you used the word democracy in quotes. The very act of doing show proves you know more about American politics than the president does. (I am not being sarcastic, I'm being sincere) America was, is and never was  a democracy. Every time Obama shouted the word, I cringed on the inside that the man that is leader of the nation doesn't know a damn thing about the government the country was founded on.

 

It's a constitutional republic.

Yeah, the USA is one of those countries that pretends to be a democracy, like the "Democratic Republic of Congo" or the DRPK - albeit without the human rights abuses. At least in the UK we have no qualms about keeping our monarch in place, so we have no problem calling ourselves a "kingdom" with a constitutional monarchy. The only time the issue of 'democracy' comes up here is either in reference to the EU (which is even less democratic than the USA), or occasionally when the minority of republicans start calling for the removal of the monarchy.

[TideRower]

Omg some of this comments...

About your question: No you as an individual can't do anything do really change the situation. To do so it needs the will for changes in the society (an atmosphere of departure).

At the moment I don't see any signs of this in most states (only some small hopes) .

That doesn't mean you can't do anything. I just want to say that your actions can only lead to minor/slow changes.

Even influential persons aren't able to introduce rapid changes if the situation doesn't 'call' for it.

 

At the moment society seems to want conservation/stability, because they don't know where the roots of some of our current problems lie. Also the government isn't the only reason. You can't just simpify so much. It's a complex problems and so we need to see all the reasons/causes, otherwise we can't solve it. It's also imprtant to think about a solution for the current situation and not just condemn it.

I think there lies the big problem. For example the politicians are all talking about growth to solve the economic crisis, but what if it's more a problem of wrong distribution of goods/wealth ?

 

I would be interested in the definition of 'democracy' some of you have. I think that the US is still a democracy (which has some serious flaws though).

[TideRower]

@SMURG I like how you used the word democracy in quotes. The very act of doing show proves you know more about American politics than the president does. (I am not being sarcastic, I'm being sincere) America was, is and never was  a democracy. Every time Obama shouted the word, I cringed on the inside that the man that is leader of the nation doesn't know a damn thing about the government the country was founded on.

 

It's a constitutional republic.

And constitutional republic means that it can't be a democracy?

I would say that a democratic state is most likely a constitutional republic. Sure the other direction is not necessary but also not wrong all the times.

[TideRower]

Here's what I don't get. Is why the US government is helping a bunch of different country's when it can't even support itself.

They did financialy 'help' a lot more countries in the past.

For example in my country they supported the right-wing party to prevent that the communist party wins the elections.

The 'helping' of a bunch of different countries is a part of foreign policy.

[Mooshi]

And constitutional republic means that it can't be a democracy?

I would say that a democratic state is most likely a constitutional republic. Sure the other direction is not necessary but also not wrong all the times.

 

Here are some things to read. http://www.thedailycrux.com/Post/39035/What-the-Founding-Fathers-really-thought-about-democracy

 

 

John Adams, a signer of the Declaration of Independence, championed the new Constitution in his state precisely because it would not create a democracy. "Democracy never lasts long," he noted. "It soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself." He insisted, "There was never a democracy that 'did not commit suicide.'"

 

http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2010/06/29/the-founding-fathers-rejected-democracy/#.Uk77JxBPzcg

 

 

The Founding Fathers Rejected Democracy

 

There are lots of things to be found if you search "Founding Fathers on Democracy"

 

To sum things up, they were against a Democracy and dubbed it "mob rule" and never wanted the US to become one.

[Guest]

do nothing let those lil pu$$ies run around and ruin america even more

[TideRower]

Here are some things to read. http://www.thedailycrux.com/Post/39035/What-the-Founding-Fathers-really-thought-about-democracy

 

 

http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2010/06/29/the-founding-fathers-rejected-democracy/#.Uk77JxBPzcg

 

 

There are lots of things to be found if you search "Founding Fathers on Democracy"

 

To sum things up, they were against a Democracy and dubbed it "mob rule" and never wanted the US to become one.

So they didn't want it, but that doesn't mean it can't be one. I would also argue that they are wrong democracy isn't "mob rule".

Also I wasn't talking only about the US.

[Skull Leader]