Worth switching to x99?

[KamilKrait15]

Long story short.... I have been running z170 (skylake) for less than a year and im wondering if its worth switching to x99 ? What kind of benefits would i get from changing.

[FilipSebik]

1 hour ago, KamilKrait15 said:

Long story short.... I have been running z170 (skylake) for less than a year and im wondering if its worth switching to x99 ? What kind of benefits would i get from changing.

More PCIe lanes and more cost

[Morgan MLGman]

If you already have Z170, meh, if you were to buy a Z170, then the X99 is better

[Lurick]

Unless you need triple SLI or two video cards plus a couple other PCIe devices then there really isn't a reason or benefit.

[DXMember]

lol, should've probably went X99 in the first place

 

you'll get:

more cores

more cache

more PCI-E

more memory bandwidth

more USB

more SATA

more girth and length

[SeanAngelo]

8 minutes ago, KamilKrait15 said:

Long story short.... I have been running z170 (skylake) for less than a year and im wondering if its worth switching to x99 ? What kind of benefits would i get from changing.

nope.

[Enderman]

x99 is useless unless youre doing video editing or 3d rendering on a daily basis

and you will also get worse performance in games because skylake has better core performance than haswell (which is what x99 is)

[DXMember]

 

 

 

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[JefferyD90]

9 minutes ago, KamilKrait15 said:

Long story short.... I have been running z170 (skylake) for less than a year and im wondering if its worth switching to x99 ? What kind of benefits would i get from changing.

You would lose EVERYTHING other than cores.  That's it.

[DXMember]

4 minutes ago, Enderman said:

x99 is useless unless youre doing video editing or 3d rendering on a daily basis

and you will also get worse performance in games because skylake has better core performance than haswell (which is what x99 is)

we have Broadwell (:

3 minutes ago, JefferyD90 said:

You would lose EVERYTHING other than cores.  That's it.

you lie

[Enderman]

3 minutes ago, DXMember said:

we have Broadwell (:

you lie

true

still worse than skylake

 

and a waste of money to buy a new motherboard and CPU when a 6700k is far more than enough

[JefferyD90]

1 minute ago, DXMember said:

we have Broadwell (:

you lie

You'll lose native USB 3.1 and type C support...  You'll loose FPS in most games (BF4 excluded)...  DMI 3.0 isn't available... The only benefit X99 brings is more cores.  Z170 is better in every other way.

[DXMember]

1 minute ago, Enderman said:

true

still worse than skylake

 

and a waste of money to buy a new motherboard and CPU when a 6700k is far more than enough

*6600K

 

and agreed

[DXMember]

1 minute ago, JefferyD90 said:

You'll lose native USB 3.1 and type C support...  You'll loose FPS in most games (BF4 excluded)...  DMI 3.0 isn't available... The only benefit X99 brings is more cores.  Z170 is better in every other way.

DMI 3.0 is useful when PCI-E NVMe storage goes through the chipset, on X99 it plugs directly into CPU (:

name me 5 devices that you will use for that Type C connector

plus I believe USB 3.1 is not part of the chipset: http://ark.intel.com/products/90591/Intel-GL82Z170-PCH, so again - why lie when you don't know truth?

can you count those FPS's for me please?

[KamilKrait15]

This brings me to my next question. Im planning to buy 3 1080s. Would i then need to go x99?

 

[JefferyD90]

3 minutes ago, DXMember said:

DMI 3.0 is useful when PCI-E NVMe storage goes through the chipset, on X99 it plugs directly into CPU (:

name me 5 devices that you will use for that Type C connector

plus I believe USB 3.1 is not part of the chipset: http://ark.intel.com/products/90591/Intel-GL82Z170-PCH, so again - why lie when you don't know truth?

can you count those FPS's for me please?

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9485/intel-skylake-z170-motherboards-asrock-asus-gigabyte-msi-ecs-evga-supermicro

 

It actually does officially support USB 3.1.  Its called the Alpine Ridge companion.

 

Additionally, it is fairly obvious that you would lose FPS in most games because your clock speed is slower AND it is on a less efficient architecture. The only games that will perform better would be highly threaded games, like BF4.  And really they're not very efficient at doing it either.  Even anandtech says that they didn't test x99 because of this.

 

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9483/intel-skylake-review-6700k-6600k-ddr4-ddr3-ipc-6th-generation/16

 

But I will offer you one fair point, both x99 and z170 REGARDLESS, will max out any one single GPU.  (unless you put a i3 or something in it)

[DXMember]

5 minutes ago, KamilKrait15 said:

This brings me to my next question. Im planning to buy 3 1080s. Would i then need to go x99?

 

yes

but why.... are you up to date with nVidias policy on 3-Way GPU setups?

 

[Mr.Meerkat]

24 minutes ago, DXMember said:

more girth and length

LIES!!!!!! The motherboard can still be the same size (for example my ASUS x99-s is only ATX and not EATX ...not including the CPU).

[KamilKrait15]

3 minutes ago, DXMember said:

yes

but why.... are you up to date with nVidias policy on 3-Way GPU setups?

 

I did not know. I guess 2 will have to do. 

[DXMember]

3 minutes ago, JefferyD90 said:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9485/intel-skylake-z170-motherboards-asrock-asus-gigabyte-msi-ecs-evga-supermicro

 

It actually does officially support USB 3.1.  Its called the Alpine Ridge companion.

 

Additionally, it is fairly obvious that you would lose FPS in most games because your clock speed is slower AND it is on a less efficient architecture. The only games that will perform better would be highly threaded games, like BF4.  And really they're not very efficient at doing it either.  Even anandtech says that they didn't test x99 because of this.

 

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9483/intel-skylake-review-6700k-6600k-ddr4-ddr3-ipc-6th-generation/16

 

But I will offer you one fair point, both x99 and z170 REGARDLESS, will max out any one single GPU.  (unless you put a i3 or something in it)

a quote from your source:

There will be several companion controllers to look out for on the Z170 motherboards.

so obviously it's an additional controller that is not a part of the chipset... X99 has same companions... (who the hell came up with that name for hardware... the closest association I have are companions from the Firefly universe)

 

overclocking is a thing, also you still haven't counted those FPSs for me, nor have you named me the devices you intend to use with the USB 3.1 connection

and you didn't mention the DMI 3.0

damage control much?

we've already established that there is no gaming performance upgrade going from Z170 to X99 or the other way around, this is about the platform, this is about the principle, admit defeat

[DXMember]

8 minutes ago, Mr.Meerkat said:

LIES!!!!!! The motherboard can still be the same size (for example my ASUS x99-s is only ATX and not EATX ...not including the CPU).

I'm not talking about the motherboard

 

[Mr.Meerkat]

1 minute ago, DXMember said:

I'm not talking about the motherboard

 

Well mine didn't get any bigger once I got my x99 setup

[JefferyD90]

44 minutes ago, DXMember said:

a quote from your source:

 

 

so obviously it's an additional controller that is not a part of the chipset... X99 has same companions... (who the hell came up with that name for hardware... the closest association I have are companions from the Firefly universe)

 

overclocking is a thing, also you still haven't counted those FPSs for me, nor have you named me the devices you intend to use with the USB 3.1 connection

and you didn't mention the DMI 3.0

damage control much?

we've already established that there is no gaming performance upgrade going from Z170 to X99 or the other way around, this is about the platform, this is about the principle, admit defeat

Okay, devices would include any new phone along with a external HDD.  Not to include USB type C is going to become as commonly used as type A over the coming years.  Quite literally everything will have type C support.

 

If you overclock your x99 processor to 4.0Ghz (which is a damn good overclock) then a Z170 based processor can overclock to a SOLID 4.5Ghz.  So overclocking isn't a good point for your example.

 

And the PRINCIPLE is going to be it cost less to STAY on the Z170 platform (as a matter of fact, it cost NOTHING at all) but it will be a $500 barrier to entry to even get INTO the X99 platform.  And can you honestly look me in the face and say "its worth a minimum of $500 to go back a processor architecture and not get any reasionable benefits out of it"?

 

[Morgan MLGman]

1 hour ago, Enderman said:

x99 is useless unless youre doing video editing or 3d rendering on a daily basis

and you will also get worse performance in games because skylake has better core performance than haswell (which is what x99 is)

X99 is also Broadwell.

[DXMember]

17 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

X99 is also Broadwell.

thank you we've already established that

23 minutes ago, JefferyD90 said:

Okay, devices would include any new phone along with a external HDD.  Not to include USB type C is going to become as commonly used as type A over the coming years.  Quite literally everything will have type C support.

I'm pretty sure someone somewhere said the same about FireWire....

so you can't name any devices?

24 minutes ago, JefferyD90 said:

If you overclock your x99 processor to 4.0Ghz (which is a damn good overclock) then a Z170 based processor can overclock to a SOLID 4.5Ghz.  So overclocking isn't a good point for your example.

I'm pretty sure 4GHz isn't that great of an overclock, the 4.5GHz number floats around as the average, but it's not the point

can you count the FPS's for me?

here's an educational video on counting

(no offence, it's a prank)

26 minutes ago, JefferyD90 said:

And the PRINCIPLE is going to be it cost less to STAY on the Z170 platform (as a matter of fact, it cost NOTHING at all) but it will be a $500 barrier to entry to even get INTO the X99 platform.  And can you honestly look me in the face and say "its worth a minimum of $500 to go back a processor architecture and not get any reasionable benefits out of it"?

if you re-read the post history, I'm pretty sure we've already established from the beginning that it is stupid to replace a Z170 build with an X99 and even the other way around - to replace X99 with a Z170 would be equally as stupid, I specifically pointed that out again trying to clarify in the very post you replied just now

 

*reasonable