What should Bernie Sanders do now?

[Okjoek]

To me Bernie is running a beacon of reason in a sea of turd juice that is this election. Every minute he stay in I'm happy. He's the only one I haven't seen throwing nicknames or non-policy related accusations. By disenfranchising a whole generation's attempt to be represented, the establishment is guaranteeing lots of anger, pain and strife to come. One of the key building blocks of this country over 200 years ago was the idea of representation and many millennials (I am one) are feeling unheard as we are becoming adults.  I'm not a sunshine soldier. I will vote for Sanders if there is any option with him on it at the general election, even if he's as VP. I don't care who it means I'm "letting win". I refuse to vote on a "which do I dislike less?" basis. I may despise Trump, but atleast he won his nomination fair and square against his establishment foes. and fear of his election is not worth selling my soul. If anything I'm going to enjoy both his( non fantasized as Bernie's was) rhetoric and her establishment machine coming down on him in what will surely be a S^&* show.

 

What I think he should do? Regardless of what option, to send a message is to stay in until the very last minute and basically until he's literally forced out.

1) At that point I would either run as a third party (probably green party or something because that's probably where my vote would go if he leaves anyway)...

 

2) or simply suspend campaigning without endorsing any other candidate. This would infuriate the democratic establishment which I would love every second of.

[Kobathor]

he should drop out and not run again

[Okjoek]

1 minute ago, Kobathor said:

he should drop out and not run again

Personally even if he could run again next I don't think he should either. By then I think he may as much as I hate to bring age into it, be too old. It doesn't matter though because the ideas aren't bound solely to this one guy. 

[Kobathor]

1 minute ago, Okjoek said:

Personally even if he could run again next I don't think he should either. By then I think he may as much as I hate to bring age into it, be too old. It doesn't matter though because the ideas aren't bound solely to this one guy. 

*and never influence anybody ever

I don't want him to be president, if you haven't noticed. Or anybody like him.

[Okjoek]

Just now, Kobathor said:

*and never influence anybody ever

I don't want him to be president, if you haven't noticed. Or anybody like him.

That's cool. I respect your opinion. I don't share it though.

[Kobathor]

2 minutes ago, Okjoek said:

That's cool. I respect your opinion. I don't share it though.

But I am surprised he didn't get close to the nomination. Hillary is a crazy old coot, I thought she'd get laughed out of the race in a month. Well, it shows you the power of the media.

 

Most of the people that would have voted for Bernie aren't 18 yet anyways, so.

[Tesel]

6 minutes ago, Kobathor said:

*and never influence anybody ever

I don't want him to be president, if you haven't noticed. Or anybody like him.

 

Can I ask who you would consider a good president?

By that, I mean I respect your opinion, but I am interested.

[stconquest]

Sanders has gathered something like 8-10 million votes.  Many of those people will stray from the Democratic party if he were to drop out.  Staying the course actually gives Hillary a chance to earn those votes.

 

Gary Johnson (independent) is actually polling at roughly 10% (against Clinton/Trump).  It may not sound like much, but that is a huge jump from the typical 2-4% a third party would get.

 

 

[Kobathor]

1 minute ago, Tesel said:

Can I ask who you would consider a good president?

By that, I mean I respect your opinion, but I am interested.

"Good" president? I can't say any of the candidates that are ahead. None would be great. Neither Trump nor Hillary would be optimal, and they're in the front, probably going to be the nominees. I can't think of a person right now that would be a great president (that is alive today.) Sorry, busy playing Counter-Strike  

 

Back on topic, I think Bernie should drop out, since he's not gonna get enough votes for the nomination, and he wouldn't win running third-party.

OK, I take that back, if he runs third-party, that means less votes for Hillary Clinton. He should run third party.

[Okjoek]

1 minute ago, Kobathor said:

But I am surprised he didn't get close to the nomination. Hillary is a crazy old coot, I thought she'd get laughed out of the race in a month. Well, it shows you the power of the media.

 

Most of the people that would have voted for Bernie aren't 18 yet anyways, so.

He did get awful close. Without the "super delegates" they're somewhere within 10% of eachother if I'm not mistaken.

 

I hate the super delegate problem altogether. It was made specifically for occasions like this so that the party can install its own leader against the will of the people. If the republicans had a similar feature I'm willing to bet even Trump would've been "trumped".

 

Election aside I just hate in general how the top is able to lobby congress inorder to get all these bail outs and tax loop holes so they're able to suck on the tit of a system they don't contribute to. I'm called the "lazy" or "entitled" one by my younger brother especially, but truth is I just want to work so that I can contribute and be part of a collective effort that won't dump you when you've outlived your usefulness. When my Dad got his progressive brain disease we were fortunate enough to be able to afford the drugs to help relieve his pain. After several years of watching him suffer until he died I decided I would never willingly let lesser fortunate people who are dealt similar blows to have to suffer worse based on privileged status.

[SansVarnic]

With Hillary's track record of constantly being involved in some scandal or another, every time we turn around, since she was a lawyer... wait, that makes me want to point this out, she was a lawyer and lawyers naturally cannot be trusted so ...

But on topic; I don't care for Bernie but he should continue to run to keep votes from Hillary. Some thing like lesser of 2 evils but that goes to say which one is worse?

[Tesel]

7 minutes ago, Okjoek said:

He did get awful close. Without the "super delegates" they're somewhere within 10% of eachother if I'm not mistaken.

 

I hate the super delegate problem altogether. It was made specifically for occasions like this so that the party can install its own leader against the will of the people. If the republicans had a similar feature I'm willing to bet even Trump would've been "trumped".

 

Election aside I just hate in general how the top is able to lobby congress inorder to get all these bail outs and tax loop holes so they're able to suck on the tit of a system they don't contribute to. I'm called the "lazy" or "entitled" one by my younger brother especially, but truth is I just want to work so that I can contribute and be part of a collective effort that won't dump you when you've outlived your usefulness. When my Dad got his progressive brain disease we were fortunate enough to be able to afford the drugs to help relieve his pain. After several years of watching him suffer until he died I decided I would never willingly let lesser fortunate people who are dealt similar blows to have to suffer worse based on privileged status.

 

I'd say the superdelegates are a working system... they're specifically for situations like this (hear me out). Generally, if one candidate wins even somewhat decisively, that candidate gets the superdelegates. If they don't get a large popular majority or a majority of delegates, then even without superdelegates, unbound delegates would be able to decide the nomination. The idea of superdelegates is not to pick a candidate for the party. Instead, consider this:

What if someone uncovered serious issues about Trump right now, besides his personality? What if he was involved in a major scandal? Wouldn't you want superdelegates to vote for the other guy? Similarly, what if Clinton turns out to have serious troubles with Benghazi or the e-mail scandal? Wouldn't you be happy if the superdelegates chose to vote Bernie then?

 

I don't disagree with the rest of the message.

[Okjoek]

23 minutes ago, stconquest said:

Sanders has gathered something like 8-10 million votes.  Many of those people will stray from the Democratic party if he were to drop out.  Staying the course actually gives Hillary a chance to earn those votes.

 

Gary Johnson (independent) is actually polling at roughly 10% (against Clinton/Trump).  It may not sound like much, but that is a huge jump from the typical 2-4% a third party would get.

 

 

In history (I passed AP USH in high school) I remember that third parties rarely win, but when whey start gaining momentum it can sometimes scare the current establishment into appeasing the people who are turning that way. That's one way some progress gets made I suppose.

 

Personally I'm not for the libertarian thing altogether. The idea of Laissez faire policy just seems like a step backwards to the 19th and early 20th centuries. It also strikes me as isolationist which is never the right option if history is to be gone by.

[AlwaysFSX]

Looking at the lesser of evils I think he should run as an independent and screw Hillary over on the democratic vote in the election.

[PlayStation 2]

Well if he drops out then we have a corrupt fuckoff and Trump.

Suffice to say, that means one less clueless person out of the race.

[ThatsCanadaDry]

I don't follow politics too much and I don't know how everybody feels, but it does seem like the people who support Bernie are a lot younger than the people who support the other candidates. While this could mean many things, one thing it does mean is that Hillary is going to have to change stuff about how she wants to do things. 

 

The younger people are the people that'll be around for a long time - not the older ones. 

[stconquest]

18 minutes ago, Okjoek said:

In history (I passed AP USH in high school) I remember that third parties rarely win, but when whey start gaining momentum it can sometimes scare the current establishment into appeasing the people who are turning that way. That's one way some progress gets made I suppose.

 

Personally I'm not for the libertarian thing altogether. The idea of Laissez faire policy just seems like a step backwards to the 19th and early 20th centuries. It also strikes me as isolationist which is never the right option if history is to be gone by.

 

I don't like the economic ideology of the core libertarian party.  I know that leaving fairness up to the free market will have it's share of disasters.

 

I really have a problem with people that don't value a person's "decency" and "honesty".  I like Gary Johnson as a person.  I like Sanders, as a person.  I just agree with Sanders' more social outlook on the economy of a country.

 

I mean look at private healthcare in the USA in an ideological way.  Insurance companies make billions of dollars off people looking for basic health care.  People argue that the government cannot do the job, not up to task.  Well that is a problem... how about you work on that government thing then?  Imagine a healthcare system that takes 0% of the budget coming in to line it's pockets.

[Misanthrope]

He should just basically pull off a Joker move and officially drop out and support Trump. Just let the whole fucking country burn to the ground.

[Centurius]

At this point Clinton has such a comfortable lead in both unpledged delegates and the popular vote that it ironically would take almost every superdelegate for Sanders to be able to beat her. He got involved, he gave it a try and a pretty great one at that. It wasn't enough however, this wasn't the establishment crowning Clinton but rather the majority of the Democratic base doing so. The definition of democracy. You may feel that as a millennial your vote is somehow special but it counts no more and no less as every other vote cast.  

 

Pragmatically speaking Sanders and his supporters should be glad he didn't win the primary and hope that if he ran as third party he wouldn't win. The thing that killed Obama's 2008 change movement was getting elected. At that point he might have gotten the presidency but had to deal with a Congress where even his party didn't back him 100% and where that party didn't have the power to pass laws independently for 6 out of 8 years. If Sanders won the same thing would happen but even more exponentially as a large part of the Democratic base in Congress would be against him if they even managed to win back both chambers. Right now the Democratic Socialist movement has gained legitimacy by coming comfortably second in a primary and if fostered can grow into a lasting one within and outside of the Democratic Party. 

 

Beyond that the Democratic base needs to unite now behind the candidate that got the majority and form a united front against the real threat that is Drumpf.

[Nuluvius]

3 hours ago, Misanthrope said:

He should just basically pull off a Joker move and officially drop out and support Trump. Just let the whole fucking country burn to the ground.

[Rune]

He doesn't really have any choices at this point other than to drop out and use his name to push for changes in Congress.

[ShadowCaptain]

"WE WILL BUILD A BIGGER WALL THAN TRUMP"

[minibois]

He could always become a transsexual and go around screaming "We can make history by electing the first transsexual president11!1!11" just like Hillary is screaming now about becoming the first female president.

/s

 

 

[greaves1111]

At this point, him running as an independent does more harm than good. The more votes he steals from Hillary, the better that is for Trump.

 

The anti Trumps need to pick 1 candidate and stick with it

[Misanthrope]

8 hours ago, ShadowCaptain said:

"WE WILL BUILD A BIGGER WALL THAN TRUMP"

"Oh like the BERLIN WALL you commie scum!? " would be the un-ironic answer I'm afraid.