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Rumoured 1060 Ti to use GP-104 with 6GB GDDR5

Castdeath97
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If the price is good enough, I might just upgrade my aging 780 to this one, provided it outperforms the 970 by some decent margin.

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16 minutes ago, sof006 said:

Isn't this a bad thing if it has 6GBs of GDDR5? Its effectively wasted... being throttled by such small memory lanes.

A 980 Ti uses 6GB of GDDR5 and doesn't have memory issues. However, the bus is likely to be smaller on the "1060 Ti".

 

However, with memory compression technologies, they can mitigate the issues somewhat. But honestly, more likely will be that the GPU itself simply bottlenecks before using up all that sweet sweet VRAM.

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13 minutes ago, alamox said:

thats quiet a bad yield, to have to make 1060ti out of a 312mm² chip designed to be a 1080, impact on price ?

They did it on GK104 too (660Ti/670/680), and that was a 294mm^2 chip.

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16 minutes ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

They did it on GK104 too (660Ti/670/680), and that was a 294mm^2 chip.

The 660Ti was a glorified 670. The main difference was that the 670 had more ROPs, but they had the same number of SU's and TU's, same core clock speed, etc. Different possible RAM configs though.

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That definately isn't a current GPU. Kind of reminds me of the old Geforce 6200+Ati Mobile+Desktop HD4*** and 5*** with their small+naked die (which is TBH very good to see again).

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1 hour ago, dalekphalm said:

A 980 Ti uses 6GB of GDDR5 and doesn't have memory issues. However, the bus is likely to be smaller on the "1060 Ti".

 

However, with memory compression technologies, they can mitigate the issues somewhat. But honestly, more likely will be that the GPU itself simply bottlenecks before using up all that sweet sweet VRAM.

Considering people in the past have told me and others that a GTX 650ti could never use 2GB vRAM...and my GTX 650ti OC 2GB proved them very wrong at stock clocks...

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So the titan which is not he 1080 is the only one with HBM2?

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1 minute ago, SamStrecker said:

So the titan which is not he 1080 is the only one with HBM2?

Seems the case - which is not surprising given the relative scarcity and expense of HBM2 according to rumours.

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Just now, dalekphalm said:

Seems the case - which is not surprising given the relative scarcity and expense of HBM2 according to rumours.

So will volta feature all HBM?

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1 minute ago, SamStrecker said:

So will volta feature all HBM?

*shrugs*

 

Only an NVIDIA engineer could tell you for certain.

 

I doubt it though. I think Volta will see HBM in the enthusiast (titan) down to the mid-high end segments (x70 and higher). I figure that mid and low end stuff will continue to use GDDR5/x until HBM becomes as cheap as GDDR5 is.

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5 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

*shrugs*

 

Only an NVIDIA engineer could tell you for certain.

 

I doubt it though. I think Volta will see HBM in the enthusiast (titan) down to the mid-high end segments (x70 and higher). I figure that mid and low end stuff will continue to use GDDR5/x until HBM becomes as cheap as GDDR5 is.

I was suspecting something like this.

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12 hours ago, don_svetlio said:

Hope we get a 1060 Ti - the 660 Ti was the best value card of it's generation - a 960 Ti would have also been a welcome sight

Well i mean its been 560ti 660ti 760 970 for perf/$ on the nvidia side

 

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I don't understand why the bus would get a downgrade. 

 

Also hope the chart is not true. Would like to see GDDR5X on 1070.

 

These high amounts of vram (double to triple) will most likely result in increased price tag compared to 900 series launch.

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Waiting to see exactly what Polaris brings to the table before getting too excited for Pascal, but this looks promising. The old X60 Ti cards were always a good buy.

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5 hours ago, Thony said:

I don't understand why the bus would get a downgrade. 

To segment into two performance levels for 1060 Ti vs 1070.

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41 minutes ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

To segment into two performance levels for 1060 Ti vs 1070.

But why do that when we know X60ti can't outperform X70 it just narrows the gap between X60 AMD X70.

 

I don't know how much of a performance hit there is between bus speeds but I still don't like downgrading for newer gen product.

 

Do you know why they put so much vram on these cards ? Is it VR related ? If so, then how ?! Current 970 with its shitty 3.5GB can run VR just fine.

 

Too many questions :D I'm just disappointed. 

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Hopefully this could be a cheapish QHD card. But alas, I may go with AMD just so I can afford a proper smart sync monitor.

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16 minutes ago, TriviaBeast said:

Hopefully this could be a cheapish QHD card. But alas, I may go with AMD just so I can afford a proper smart sync monitor.

You mean Freesync?

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Nvidia still cheaping out on the amount of VRAM modules per PCB, leaving you with pinhole memory buses.

 

Preying on market ignorance as usual, higher capacity VRAM modules is always cheaper than many smaller ones, but the effect in marketing is roughly the same, little Timmy will see the higher number and think it's better.

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20 hours ago, Castdeath97 said:

You mean Freesync?

I used smart sync as a stand in for adaptive sync slash gsync slash freesync. I just meant not a "dumb" monitor.

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I just want to see benchmarks. Its nice to see the top 3 cards (excluding 1080 ti) having more than 4gb of ram. I am interested in the 1080 or 1070. do we know if GDDR5x will be good at overclocking? I imagine it would be similar to GDDR5.. hopefully.

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On 5/2/2016 at 5:05 AM, Aytex said:

If its as cheap as a 960 and better than a 970 then i will gladly smother nvidia with my monis

 

Hopefully nvidia become truly competitive in this product segment again. I got a 960 about a year ago purely because it did the job in the interim. Still a good card, but it was never really that competitive for the money. 

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