Gaming: nvme vs Sata?

[Gdourado]

Hello, how are you? 

I know nvme Pcie SSDs can do in excess of 2000 mb/s of read speed and such. While Sata SSDs only do to about 550.

This can be good for workstations and rendering machines I won guess. 

But how about strictly for gaming. 

With all other hardware being  equal, what real world difference would a system with a 951 nvme have against an 850 Evo? 

 

Cheers 

[Aytex]

Faster loading times...?

[Enderman]

there is no difference for gaming

games dont even use the full bandwidth of a sata SSD

[Senzelian]

Just now, Enderman said:

there is no difference for gaming

games dont even use the full bandwidth of a sata SSD

Finally someone who gets it.
But still people buy Samsung 950 Pros and claim to have faster loading speeds than everyone else. ._.''

[xTrixieHD]

As everyone else said, games can't really use that much bandwidth.

[Enderman]

2 minutes ago, Senzelian said:

Finally someone who gets it.
But still people buy Samsung 950 Pros and claim to have faster loading speeds than everyone else. ._.''

placebo probably, or theyre talking about stuff thats not games

 

also it could be that they never had an SSD before, or the SSD they used previously was crappy/old

[Senzelian]

Just now, Enderman said:

placebo probably, or theyre talking about stuff thats not games

 

also it could be that they never had an SSD before, or the SSD they used previously was crappy/old

Where is the "Good Point!" button when I need it.. God damn it.

[Timmy-P]

6 minutes ago, Senzelian said:

Where is the "Good Point!" button when I need it.. God damn it.

Either "Thumbs Up" or "Informative," depending on the context.  In this case I'd do "Thumbs Up"

[Senzelian]

Just now, Timmy-P said:

Either "Thumbs Up" or "Informative," depending on the context.  In this case I'd do "Thumbs Up"

I'm German, which means that a "Thumbs Up" isn't precise, nor efficient enough for me.

[BoredErica]

I've hit above SATA III max speeds with 950 Pro when using large texture mods on FO4 I think. Large textures read more like sequential.

[Timmy-P]

1 minute ago, Dark_wizzie said:

I've hit above SATA III max speeds with 950 Pro when using large texture mods on FO4 I think. Large textures read more like sequential.

Out of curiosity, how did you monitor your read/write speeds while gaming?

[BoredErica]

Just now, Timmy-P said:

Out of curiosity, how did you monitor your read/write speeds while gaming?

I use Skyrim Performance Monitor for Skyrim and earlier, Fallout Performance Monitor for Fallout 4.

[daniellearmouth]

Yeah, the only thing I could add here is reinforcing the point that games don't really care how quickly they load.

 

You might get a one-second improvement in some games, but buying an NVMe SSD for gaming is unnecessary.

In fact, one could argue that buying an SSD at all for just games is unnecessary, though there are a number of exceptions to the rule.

 

NVMe is only really effective in applications that can benefit from the extra bandwidth that NVMe provides, and games are not the sort of thing that can take advantage of it.

[Dash Lambda]

5 hours ago, Senzelian said:

Finally someone who gets it.
But still people buy Samsung 950 Pros and claim to have faster loading speeds than everyone else. ._.''

Well, I for one bought a 950 Pro and now have much faster loading times.

...

But not from the 950 Pro. I moved my Steam library from my HDD to my old 2.5" SSD.

...

And by 'much faster', I mean 'just fast enough to notice'.

[Avolate]

 

 NVME reduces the Controller Latency from SATA

 

 And when we move to 3D Xpoint memory technology from NAND and use the new NVME standard we will reduce both Drive Latency and Latency from the old SATA controller

 

 3D Xpoint is going to be compatible with Intel Kaby Lake Chipset Z270 boards in Q4 of this year.

 

 

[Deli]

3 hours ago, Avolate said:

 

 NVME reduces the Controller Latency from SATA

 

 And when we move to 3D Xpoint memory technology from NAND and use the new NVME standard we will reduce both Drive Latency and Latency from the old SATA controller

 

 3D Xpoint is going to be compatible with Intel Kaby Lake Chipset Z270 boards in Q4 of this year.

 

 

Yeah, 10 times reduction of latency. Wow sounds good.

 

We're talking about microseconds here. Sure everyone can tell the different.

[Avolate]

 

 

[franman]

On 3/6/2016 at 4:51 AM, Avolate said:

 

 NVME reduces the Controller Latency from SATA

 

 And when we move to 3D Xpoint memory technology from NAND and use the new NVME standard we will reduce both Drive Latency and Latency from the old SATA controller

 

 3D Xpoint is going to be compatible with Intel Kaby Lake Chipset Z270 boards in Q4 of this year.

 

 

I'm not sure if I understand about controller latency but does that mean less input lag in gaming?

[Egg-Roll]

50 minutes ago, franman said:

I'm not sure if I understand about controller latency but does that mean less input lag in gaming?

You're asking about input lag which is based on your peripherals (keyboard mouse etc). If you're wondering about the actual work a drive would do during a game session you'll need a high speed camera (10,000fps) to see the difference between a normal SSD to the 3D NVMe, assuming said game even benefited from the drive.

 

That chart shows a difference of 20 μs between NAND and NAND NVMe, thats 0.00002 of a second difference, the next comparison to the new 3D version it is about 70 μs.

To put that chart into a sadder perspective (and why I still hold all games on HDDs) the difference between the HDD and the new 3D NVMe is (assuming it ends at 10,000 and doesn't exceed it) 0.01 second for a hard drive compared to the 0.000015 second for the 3D NVMe. So your bottleneck would become the overall speed of the controller/software (and how it handles it) built into the system and your specific drive.