People need to lay off AMD and them needing a new architecture.

[afyeung]

Shit, that's thick... Didn't know the Hydro would get this big. 

 

It seems like you'll be able to fit 2 120mm fans. Might mod mine as well. The PCS+ fans are loud AF, well not that it ever did get loud. But its annoying to know that it can get loud  :lol:

Yep. The heatsink on the MSI 390x is perfect to mod. Thick and wide, perfect for dual 120mm's

[afyeung]

You kept mentioning that, is it hardcoded or a simple BIOS mod can fix it?

From all 390x BIOSes i've tried, all of them have slightly higher TDP especially MSI's 390x BIOS if not similar to 290x.

I'm not sure honestly. All I know is that the 390 series doesn't like being overclocked very much. And they still get very hot like the 290 series. It's mainly a concern for people with waterblocks which is a small portion of people. If you have a really good 390x and remove the TDP limit you might get 1300mhz at best. But that's like 1% of the 290s and 390s.

[afyeung]

Not saying that PC gaming isn't a big market, it is, and it's growing FAST. It's just that in terms of high end cards, Nvidia has eaten up the market and people lean towards them. Nvidia has a much better name for themselves. Some of AMD's marketing is just cringe worthy tbh

[LokiFire]

Not saying that PC gaming isn't a big market, it is, and it's growing FAST. It's just that in terms of high end cards, Nvidia has eaten up the market and people lean towards them. Nvidia has a much better name for themselves. Some of AMD's marketing is just cringe worthy tbh

[harrynowl]

Ahh the feels when FX went from intel crapping their pants with the Athlon (basically their equiv to extreme ed) to a joke from AMD to tease us.

 

got another 580 btw

[afyeung]

 

At least they split off Radeon branding from AMD a bit. AMD CPUs aren't associated with high end PC's because most people know Intel beats them by a wide margin.

[Curufinwe_wins]

No. Not misleading at all. High end cards make up a very small portion of AMD's profit. 

That isn't true at all though. AMD makes next to nothing on consoles, and the below is the market statement for the industry as a whole. Yea 44% is a very small portion... That doesn't even include professional/scientific uses which also rely nearly exclusively on high end cards. With the say 50% of the professional market (which does include prebuilts, but also scientific computing and firepro sales, you are probably looking at over 60% of AMD's profit comes from high end hardware.

 

http://jonpeddie.com/press-releases/details/pc-gaming-market-holds-lead-over-consoles

 

The JPR analysis suggests the biggest chunk of gaming PC revenue — somewhere in the vicinity of 44 percent — comes from the so-called enthusiast segment, which the researchers identify as "very performance and style oriented, much like sports car owners."

[App4that]

That isn't true at all though. AMD makes next to nothing on consoles, and this is the statement for the industry as a whole. Yea 44% is a very small portion... That doesn't even include professional/scientific uses which also rely nearly exclusively on high end cards.

You realize that both GM and Ford lose money on the Corvette and Ford GT respectively, right? People buy a 970 because the best card available for gaming is the 980ti.

[Curufinwe_wins]

You realize that both GM and Ford lose money on the Corvette and Ford GT respectively, right? People buy a 970 because the best card available for gaming is the 980ti.

And you realize that unlike an automaker, R&D is spread along the entire generation and as such the highest end cards make by far the most money. You aren't honestly going to try to tell me that when two cards exist with within 1% bomb costs (say 970 and 980) but vary in end user price by 200+ dollars they don't make a fuck ton more profit on a 980 than a 970?

 

The hardware on lower end cards is not 1/2 or 1/3 the cost to produce as the hardware on the high end.

 

And we all know for a FACT that AMD makes almost nothing on console sales. What else is there? AMD's paltry market on cpus? You honestly believe AMD is making it's dough there?

[App4that]

And you realize that unlike an automaker, R&D is spread along the entire generation and as such the highest end cards make by far the most money. You aren't honestly going to try to tell me that when two cards exist with within 1% bomb costs (say 970 and 980) but vary in end user price by 200+ dollars they don't make a fuck ton more profit on a 980 than a 970?

 

The hardware on lower end cards is not 1/2 or 1/3 the cost to produce as the hardware on the high end.

 

And we all know for a FACT that AMD makes almost nothing on console sales. What else is there? AMD's paltry market on cpus? You honestly believe AMD is making it's dough there?

No :lol: I know that AMD is dying. They're hemorrhaging money. The last three quarters have seen record losses for AMD while Nvidia has seen a rise in sales.

[VagabondWraith]

Not saying that PC gaming isn't a big market, it is, and it's growing FAST. It's just that in terms of high end cards, Nvidia has eaten up the market and people lean towards them. Nvidia has a much better name for themselves. Some of AMD's marketing is just cringe worthy tbh

You're exactly right. Their marketing and constant crying about nVidia does them no favors. Richard Huddy is the biggest doofus I've seen in quite some time. The dude cries like a 5 year old who had just gotten his sucker stolen by another kid.

AMD comes off as "soft" to me. They're not aggressive and nVidia pushes them around like a nerdy playground kid.

That's my observations anyways...

[afyeung]

That isn't true at all though. AMD makes next to nothing on consoles, and the below is the market statement for the industry as a whole. Yea 44% is a very small portion... That doesn't even include professional/scientific uses which also rely nearly exclusively on high end cards. With the say 50% of the professional market (which does include prebuilts, but also scientific computing and firepro sales, you are probably looking at over 60% of AMD's profit comes from high end hardware.

 

http://jonpeddie.com/press-releases/details/pc-gaming-market-holds-lead-over-consoles

You do realize that AMD isn't just a PC gaming hardware company? They sell their chips to all the major PC brands. And consoles DO make a lot of money for AMD. AMD doesn't make much off of people who spend $300-600 on gaming grade cards. Basically all the super computers use Nvidia's kepler GPU's and video production is split between Quadro and Firepro. A lot of video editors use Nvidia for its Cuda technology. And really, what is this Jon Peddie BS, "technically based marketing". You really think that's a reliable source? And it's talking about PC gaming as a whole which Nvidia controls MORE than 70% of. Yes, so while we high end PC gamers do in fact push the market for more advanced technology, we aren't the ones making the big bucks for Nvidia and ESPECIALLY AMD who loses lots of money on R&D. 

[Curufinwe_wins]

You do realize that AMD isn't just a PC gaming hardware company? They sell their chips to all the major PC brands. And consoles DO make a lot of money for AMD. AMD doesn't make much off of people who spend $300-600 on gaming grade cards. Basically all the super computers use Nvidia's kepler GPU's and video production is split between Quadro and Firepro. A lot of video editors use Nvidia for its Cuda technology. And really, what is this Jon Peddie BS, "technically based marketing". You really think that's a reliable source? And it's talking about PC gaming as a whole which Nvidia controls MORE than 70% of. Yes, so while we high end PC gamers do in fact push the market for more advanced technology, we aren't the ones making the big bucks for Nvidia and ESPECIALLY AMD who loses lots of money on R&D.

Amd makes less than 15 dollars per console. And while that is less than Microsoft and Sony (who sell the consoles at a loss), amd obviously gets nothing from games.

Your train of logic is false. AMD has an even lower market share among standard consumer products than "pc gaming" (and scientific computing) mainly because Intel obliterates the entire consumer market outside of pc gaming even for "gpus" and ARM probably counts for more these days than amd if you include tablets.

AMD probably makes 200+ dollars per Fiji gpu (gross). And officially even the 380 is "enthusiast class" (as the full r9 moniker distinguishes).

[afyeung]

You're right in a lot of cases that AMD makes a lot of money off of enthusiast grade GPUs, but in reality, it's true that not a lot of people just go out and buy gaming cards, and even if they do they lean on the Nvidia side. And the $200 per fiji GPU is Totally off. Microcenter gets their 980s for $236. Think about how many middlemen the GPU had to pass through, such as the AIB and shipping companies before they sold it to microcenter. And the reason why I'm using the 980 as an example is because its price is in the same league as the Fury Series and I would expect AMD to cost less anyways. I would be surprised if AMD gets $50 per Fiji GPU. And AMD does sell a lot of their products to notebook and desktop manufacturers, but we can't know for certain because AMD doesn't release these numbers anyways.

 

BTW how I know the 980 cost $236 is because Microcenter actually listed them online for $236 a couple times and apparently that's their whole sale retailer price. 

[Nena Trinity]

AMD mainly need to fix their drivers but Polaris will be good for a cooler system! (pun intended)

[Curufinwe_wins]

You're right in a lot of cases that AMD makes a lot of money off of enthusiast grade GPUs, but in reality, it's true that not a lot of people just go out and buy gaming cards, and even if they do they lean on the Nvidia side. And the $200 per fiji GPU is Totally off. Microcenter gets their 980s for $236. Think about how many middlemen the GPU had to pass through, such as the AIB and shipping companies before they sold it to microcenter. And the reason why I'm using the 980 as an example is because its price is in the same league as the Fury Series and I would expect AMD to cost less anyways. I would be surprised if AMD gets $50 per Fiji GPU. And AMD does sell a lot of their products to notebook and desktop manufacturers, but we can't know for certain because AMD doesn't release these numbers anyways.

 

BTW how I know the 980 cost $236 is because Microcenter actually listed them online for $236 a couple times and apparently that's their whole sale retailer price. 

Yes, but iirc the non-end retailers actually get a cut of the above retailer price (aka as the price of gpus fluctuate so does the profit amd/nvidia makes). This was most recently relevant when Nvidia couldn't keep up with Maxwell demand and that was causing prices of their gpu's to increase by a substantial amount on market and a few sources were talking about this helping nvidia's profits directly.

[afyeung]

Yes, but iirc the non-end retailers actually get a cut of the above retailer price (aka as the price of gpus fluctuate so does the profit amd/nvidia makes). This was most recently relevant when Nvidia couldn't keep up with Maxwell demand and that was causing prices of their gpu's to increase by a substantial amount on market and a few sources were talking about this helping nvidia's profits directly.

Yep. I don't think this a good discussion topic since AMD doesn't release a lot of their numbers and we're talking a lot based on speculation. Hopefully AMD can release something that will wow high end consumers like yourself to switch from the 980ti to an AMD card. Not that I don't like Nvidia but it would help if they had some competition. 

[Curufinwe_wins]

Yep. I don't think this a good discussion topic since AMD doesn't release a lot of their numbers and we're talking a lot based on speculation. Hopefully AMD can release something that will wow high end consumers like yourself to switch from the 980ti to an AMD card. Not that I don't like Nvidia but it would help if they had some competition. 

Fair enough. And yes, I do want AMD to release a kickass card mainly because I heart sapphire coolers (although MSI also gives AMD cards better coolers and does an amazing job on the non-reference pcb.)

[afyeung]

Fair enough. And yes, I do want AMD to release a kickass card mainly because I heart sapphire coolers (although MSI also gives AMD cards better coolers and does an amazing job on the non-reference pcb.)

Yep. I think the 390x really needs the thicker cooler though. It gets real hot.