Porn? Debate Club, week 2

[Philcat101]

What about softcore images/videos? I guess they're talking about the porn that has sex in it.

Some effects still apply, but not as severely. My opinion still stands though.

[Godlygamer23]

Google is a very effective way of providing evidence, me just googling "is porn bad for you" gave me studies from reputable websites. Googling "is porn good for you" gave me the same results (saying it isn't..)

 

I know mods are scared of Google for some reason (isn't lmgtfy banned?) but it's a super useful tool.

Link what you're saying with evidence or the post will be removed. If it's strictly opinion, imply it as such.

[Patrick Bateman]

1. Lasting future relationships are not happening

2. Linked to abuse

3. Acts like a drug in the brain by releasing tons of dopamine (Free digital cocaine, anyone?)

4. Leaves you lonely with unrealistic expectations for future relationships

EDIT: Bonus reasons

5. Tears families apart

6. Affects everyday behavior and thoughts negatively

7. Addictive and requires more and more dosage of it as time progresses

how does it tear families apart?

[Philcat101]

thats pretty much it

Did you see my bonus reasons And those reasons before the edit are strong enough to prove that porn is bad for you.

[minibois]

how do you feel it affects teens? And If badly, why shouldn't parents be against it? (I gotta get the ball rolling somehow.)

Everything affects the minds of these young adults, it could all be seen as bad, but sexuality should not be hidden. Porn however can give an wrong impression of sex, because you know.. it's not realistic.. You know what I'm saying.

But again, sex should not be hidden or censored, so that's why I feel like it should not be censored or why parents should not be against it. I hate censoring in general (and I dont mean like censoring in porn, but people trying to hide stuff from other), but that's besides the point 

Edited January 1, 2016 by Godlygamer23

[Aytex]

Did you see my bonus reasons And those reasons before the edit are strong enough to prove that porn is bad for you.

imo i dont think its bad nor good

i just use it as a stress realiver 

because all the games i play are competitive/stress games lol

[Philcat101]

how does it tear families apart?

Please do your research: http://www.fightthenewdrug.org/porn-hates-families/

[Patrick Bateman]

i dont see the problem with porn... we all have sexual feelings why cant we watch a bit of porn even if it is unrealistic.. it does not do any harm 

all you negative people probably done more damage to yourself being so negative than you could of if you watched porn

[Patrick Bateman]

Please do your research: http://www.fightthenewdrug.org/porn-hates-families/

hate all these people 

" its an unhealthy relationship"

even if you are in an a relationship whats wrong with watching porn.. i honestly dont see a problem with it.. i can only see good things about it

[LokiFire]

I want to say this out loud and most will probably agree, i view porn when i am single, as it's a way to let go of the tension, and is a healthy practice which also brings your chance for prostate cancer down, it also lowers blood pressure.

 

People who do it too much will start lowering their sperm levels, if this continues when they are with a female partner and wish to conceive, it's going to be difficult due to the lowered sperm count, leave it alone for a week and your levels will be healthy.

[NeatSquidYT]

yes yes and no.

[Philcat101]

imo i dont think its bad nor good

i just use it as a stress realiver 

because all the games i play are competitive/stress games lol

I guess if you look it purely objectively, it is pretty neutral. However, it does affect relationships and behavior, so it does lean on the bad side fairly.

Aditionally, the morality of it is really not present. As a Mormon, I evade it like the plague that it is.  (Please don't ban me or remove my post for that mods )

[Volbet]

Is it OK for teens to watch it?

Sure. As long as they get comprehensive sex-ed in school and/or by their parents. 

In many ways porn and sex are in many ways very different and people some people do need to be told that. 

 

Should parents be against it?

Teens will watch porn whether or not the parents like it. It's better to be supportive than condemming.

 

I personally believe it is infectious to society.

This website has a comprehensive argument about how it affects society negatively.

http://www.fightthenewdrug.org/get-the-facts/

Can you do me a favour? Look at the sources that the website uses.

The website uses an astonishingly small amount of sources, and most of them are dealing with subjects way beyond their fields. 

For example, why is a journal on communcation dealing with the aspect of love? Why isn't that study published in a journal on psychology or psychiatry? 

Also, one of the sources that they are citing they are citing wrongly. The author as been out to say that the study didn't find any conclusive link between porn and violent behaviour.

http://www.salon.com/2013/05/15/does_porn_cause_violence/

 

And as for addiction. Everything can be addictive, and that doesn't mean it's harmful in it of itself. 

Extreme sports can addictive, exercise can be addictive, gambling can be addictive and so on and so forth.  

Pretty much everything that humans do can be addictive, since most simulants release dopamins into the brain. 

[Admiral Naismith]

Today we will be discussing the ethics of porn. Is it OK for teens to watch it? Does it affect them? Should Parents be against it?

 

Depends on what we consider 'porn'. Sexy pictures or full on sex, etc.. Stuff like Sports Illustrated's swimsuit thing isn't bad at all. Plenty of laws in place, the girls are well payed, everyone still has free will to do what they want, etc.. No problem with teens watching/viewing it either since it's, well, just people.

 

How if we are talking about 'hardcore' stuff, this gets a bit more difficult. I'm inclined to say it's OK within reason... But that's very open to interpretation. But the real problem of all of this is; Parents.

 

Sexual education is a joke even in nations that claim to be progressive. Parents have a *responsibility* to explain or provide resources to their kids *when they are young* regarding sex, porn, etc.. It's a massive part of our lives and it's outright disgusting how many parents don't do anything about it. It's also one of the most potentially dangerous parts of our lives. I've had more conversations with my parents about Marijuana, a drug generally considered to be relatively safe, than I have about sex. Sex has the ability to make us addicted, take all of our money and time, put us in jail, have us face horrible trauma, create and destroy lives, etc.. Yet no one wants to tell young kids, the most vulnerable group, this basic part of society.  12-13 years of age is way too late in this modern age to be educating kids on sex. Not only is puberty starting earlier, but the internet has guaranteed that most kids will be exposed to *something* (usually by accident) well before then.

I'd really like to know why more parents aren't giving their kids links to 'child friendly' sites that explain sex, porn, etc.. There's several available that do an excellent job of explaining it all for kids in an appropriate and healthy fashion. This saves the kid and parent from any potential embarrassment (why there should or should not be embarrassment is a whole different debate).

I found porn long before I was ever even told about sex. It really can f*ck you up when you're, say, ~10 as I was. I knew more about sex than most people by the time I was ever told anything by teachers, parents, etc.. My attitudes toward sex aren't healthy because of it that's for damn sure.

 

A bit ranty, sorry.

 

The best option to go with is this; Parents starting giving their kids resources on learning about sex, health, etc. around 8 years of age. By the time they hit puberty they should have a good understanding of what exactly is going on in their body and mind. This way they have a healthier understanding toward, well, everything. With parents properly monitoring their kids' usage of the internet they can access softcore stuff until they've gotten used to and can control their... 'urges' better. After that it's up to them as a person to decide. Our attitudes toward sex is a defining on and it should be up to the person after their parents have done what they can.

 

On masturbation, it's just part of life. Masturbation in moderation is perfectly healthy and I've yet to see any data suggest otherwise. Over masturbating however is, like anything overdone, bad for you. This isn't really on topic but some people were talking about it earlier in the thread so I'd thought it would be worth mentioning. This is one of the things parents should talk to their kids about. Scared the living sh*t out of me when I first... You know.

[Philcat101]

hate all these people 

" its an unhealthy relationship"

even if you are in an a relationship whats wrong with watching porn.. i honestly dont see a problem with it.. i can only see good things about it

 

I guess if you look it purely objectively, it is pretty neutral. However, it does affect relationships and behavior, so it does lean on the bad side fairly.

Aditionally, the morality of it is really not present. As a Mormon, I evade it like the plague that it is.  (Please don't ban me or remove my post for that mods )

 

Wait, did you ask me on how it affected families just to shoot my reason down?

[Philcat101]

Is it OK for teens ro watch it?

Sure. As long as they get comprehensive sex-ed in school and/or by their parents. 

In many ways porn and sex are in many ways very different and people some people do need to be told that. 

 

Should parents be against it?

Teens will watch porn whether or not the parents like it. better to be supportiv than condemming.

 

Can you do me a favour? Look at the sources that website uses.

The website uses an astonishingly small amount of sources, and most of them are dealing with subjects way beyond their fields. 

For example, why is a journal on communaction dealing with the aspect of love? Why isn't that study published in a journal on psychology or psychiatry? 

Also, one of the sources that they are citing they are citing wrongly. The author as been out to say that the study didn't find any conclusive link between porn and violent behaviour.

http://www.salon.com/2013/05/15/does_porn_cause_violence/

 

And as for addiction. Everything can be addictive, and that doesn't mean it's harmful in it of it self. 

Extreme sports can addictive, exercise can be addictive, gambeling can be addictive and so on and so forth.  

Pretty much everything that humans do can be addictive, since most simulants release dopamins into the brain. 

 

hate all these people 

" its an unhealthy relationship"

even if you are in an a relationship whats wrong with watching porn.. i honestly dont see a problem with it.. i can only see good things about it

I guess love or relationships don't really matter to some people. I think it plays a large role in society and quality of life, although some of the same people might argue that porn does that too. I digress.

[LokiFire]

I have never known someone's personal masturbation habits to affect their relationship... that's a new one on me lol.

[MrDynamicMan]

I personally believe it is infectious to society.

This website has a comprehensive argument about how it affects society negatively.

http://www.fightthenewdrug.org/get-the-facts/

(please state some of arguments made in the link in your post and give your opinions on them, sorry for not including it in OP but as an FYI for next time)

That's an almost identical argument as the one being made against gaming, and do you agree with that?

[LokiFire]

I am kind of wondering if people are just making crap up, or there exists people who have no clue on how humans work or feel, or even live.??????

[spyder]

I think its ok for teens to watch, it only gets very disturbing if it leads to said person ending up watching very explicit/ illegal things or if they literally alienate themselves from reality due to excessive addiction to watching these types of videos, and if they cant see the difference between how you treat a woman vs in the videos. 

[Volbet]

I guess love or relationships don't really matter to some people. I think it plays a large role in society and quality of life, although some of the same people might argue that porn does that too. I digress.

How is that an answer to my post? I never said anything about love and relationships. I just asked you to go through the website's sources in a critical manner. 

I'm not even saying that I'm right in my assertion about the sources. 

 

And don't come and tell me that love and relationships doesn't matter to me. I have been with the same girl for almost 6 years now and we have been happily married for 4 of those. 

[MrDynamicMan]

Please do your research: http://www.fightthenewdrug.org/porn-hates-families/

Seriously, please support your own side of the argument in your own words instead of linking external sites. It's OK if you want to support claims, but don't make it your entire argument, and use multiple sources.

[MrDynamicMan]

I guess love or relationships don't really matter to some people. I think it plays a large role in society and quality of life, although some of the same people might argue that porn does that too. I digress.

I know plenty of people who have great relationships even while they both watch porn and masturbate. I honestly can't see how relieving sexual tensions can lead to not loving someone as much. Hell, it could lead to a more open and relaxed relationship, because there isn't as much sexual tension.

[MrDynamicMan]

How is that an answer to my post? I never said anything about love and relationships. I just asked you to go through the websites sources in a critical manner.

I'm not even saying that I'm right in my assertion about the sources.

And don't come and tell me that love and relationships doesn't matter to me. I have been with the same girl for almost 6 years now and we have been happily married for 4 of those.

really, really off topic. But aren't you the guy that met your wife by puking on her?

[Philcat101]

(please state some of arguments made in the link in your post and give your opinions on them, sorry for not including it in OP but as an FYI for next time)

That's an almost identical argument as the one being made against gaming, and do you agree with that?

You could argue that gaming does the same things, but with less intensity.

In the brain, we are rewarded with chemical doses of dopamine, which which make us happy. Drugs work by triggering this system. Porn is not like drugs, because it is often free, and is welcomed (generally) in society. Porn is like these drugs in the way that it also triggers these systems. The availability, additive properties, and the immorality of Porn make it a huge threat in society.

With the structure of this debate (having to be based on facts and concrete evidence), I don't think my side can win, as little concrete evidence of the negative effects of porn have been researched yet, as society does not see a problem with it.Purely objectiveley, porn does not pose a problem, as it does not harm your body (except mentally).

I personally posted my opinion, and I didn't expect much of it. People are shooting down my half baked evidence with hardly any at all.

I am religious (sorry for violating your rule) and I think/know porn is a certain problem.

 

EDIT: MY "HALF BAKED" EVIDENCE: http://www.fightthenewdrug.org/get-the-facts/

This states all the relationship problems with porn in it, but alas, people disregard it.