The AMD Problem.

[ivan134]

Name one game launched in the last year which is open world and free of bugs or glitches. One will do.

Just about game ever made ships with bugs. Bethesda's tend to be extraordinary. Witcher 3 and Dying Light did not ship with any more than your average amount bugs. Neiter did Shadow of Mordor, Farcry 4 or Dragon Age. All these games also look and run much better than Fallout 4.

[App4that]

What are you talking about? Nvidia currently has no compelling products below the 980 ti. How is that opinion? They're getting beat at performance per dollar everywhere. Before the 300 series, I was recommending the 970 because it was beating the 290x for $300. I still recommend a 980 ti over a fury x. What I've been telling you so far is MY personal stance towards Nvidia. I have never and never will recommmend an inferior product to someone else based on my personal beef. 390 shits on the 970' period. Nvidia using their influence for unearned advantages is not a reason for me to recommend a 970 over a 390. Neither are broken games.

The 390 is better in your opinion, not fact. The fact is they're impossible to separate performance wise. Which one is better is subjective. It depends on what you play.

And I played Witcher 3 at launch and Fallout 4, they both had very similar launches.

[LokiFire]

What a fucking horrible and disgusting thread.

[PlayStation 2]

What a fucking horrible and disgusting thread.

Whenever you bring up something that can remotel turn into a flame war, what do you expect

[App4that]

What a fucking horrible and disgusting thread.

Really? Because yours is the only post so far this combative.

[LokiFire]

Really? Because yours is the only post so far this combative.

my problem with recommending AMD graphics cards is that if an un\optimized game will usually run worse on AMD Cards.

 

 

Examples:

Fallout 4

Dying Light

Batman: Arkham Knight

Shadow of Mordor

COD: AW

 

 

and many more.

 

 

i get that in some cases like GTX 970 vs R9 390, the R9 390 is more powerful but more games run better on the GTX 970.

 

how do you choose between them?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You see nothing wrong with that^^^?

 

I mean it's like me walking into Mexico with no gun and saying my country is better than yours for X reason this and X reason that... both countries have ups and downs... in the end i would probably be beaten or shot like the cunt i am.. LOL

[App4that]

True Loki, but to be able to discuss it without have feelings involved is worthy of praise.

[Praesi]

Its a good thing I was talkng performance and game/immersion breakng bugs and not any of things you mentioned. Good to see you're paying attention. Im also not sure why you think Bethesda should get credit for mods other people made so their games dont like shit.

Because Beth. build the Games for full Mod Support. Name one other Brand. Only one who can be Modded like Bethesdas Games. Sometimes it feels like i talk against a Wall.

[AMDisTheBEST]

Driver issue or game devs do not optimize their games for AMD cards

[ivan134]

Because Beth. build the Games for full Mod Support. Name one other Brand. Only one who can be Modded like Bethesdas Games. Sometimes it feels like i talk against a Wall.

Off the top of my head, Halo 1? GTA 4? Source games?

[App4that]

Driver issue or game devs do not optimize their games for AMD cards

Why should they? Radeon should be putting more effort into their drivers, rather than thinking a new UI is enough.

[Praesi]

Off the top of my head, Halo 1? GTA 4? Source games?

Not even close.

[AMDisTheBEST]

Why should they? Radeon should be putting more effort into their drivers, rather than thinking a new UI is enough.

Driver won't help if devs do not optimize their codes 

[ivan134]

Not even close.

Okay buddy

[App4that]

Driver won't help if devs do not optimize their codes

Then answer the question, why should they? Fallout 4 plays fine on a 970, why do 390s struggle?

[AMDisTheBEST]

Because if they don't, they just antagonize 30% of the consumer that runs on AMD cards. Are you trolling right now? 

[App4that]

Because if they don't, they just antagonize 30% of the consumer that runs on AMD cards. Are you trolling right now?

Why is Asking why Radeon doesn't get out there and make relationships with developers as frequently as Nvidia trolling? What's in it for the developers? People will ether tire of their high powered GPU spinning its wheels because the manufacturer refuses to support it and change brand of GPU, or deal with their high powered GPU spinning its wheels because the manufacturer refuses to support it. Ether way the developer is doing what anyone would do and support those who support them.

[Prysin]

i had hd3870 and drivers were bad all the damn time. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_HD_3000_Series

 

you are basing your "AMD driver knowledge" on a product that was launched in 2007...

 

OK LET ME PRETEND MY "SOLE" NVIDIA KNOWLEDGE ON MY OLD HTPC RUNNING A NVIDIA ION "IGPU"...

 

NVIDIA IS SHIT. BECAUSE THEIR LITTLE PIECE OF SHIT ION GPU CANNOT EVEN POWER A CAN OF THREE DIMENSIONAL WORMS ON A SCREEN WITHOUT TEARING.

 

 

is my opinion representative of the reality of ALL nvidia products? no

thus is your opinion on AMD drivers representative of any current, or past drivers up to 2007 relevant? no

 

 

your experience is outdated, and irrelevant.

just like my own hands on experience with Nvidia is.

 

i do however accept that i must base my opinions around benchmarks, complaint reports and troubble-shooting reports. From which i can create a profile of how Nvidia drivers and features actually perform.

 

you however, are doing the opposite. spreading outdated, biased and often outright false information.

[Praesi]

 

NVIDIA IS SHIT. BECAUSE THEIR LITTLE PIECE OF SHIT ION GPU CANNOT EVEN POWER A CAN OF THREE DIMENSIONAL WORMS ON A SCREEN WITHOUT TEARING.

 

Someone should educate himself what tearing is and why it happens.  :rolleyes:

[Prysin]

Someone should educate himself what tearing is and why it happens.  :rolleyes:

someone should take their bias somewhere else before they get a free ride to my ignore list :rolleyes:

[Praesi]

someone should take their bias somewhere else before they get a free ride to my ignore list :rolleyes:

I couldn´t care less.

[Clyne]

Name one game launched in the last year which is open world and free of bugs or glitches. One will do.

Mad Max

It's developed by the Avalanche Studios, but the NYC studio worked on JC3 while the Stockholm studio worked on Mad Max.

[App4that]

Mad Max

It's developed by the Avalanche Studios, but the NYC studio worked on JC3 while the Stockholm studio worked on Mad Max.

 

 

[i_build_nanosuits]

interesting discussion...guys, do you know what would make AMD cards perform better in games?! MONEY!!

AMD is OUT OF MONEY they are broke they haven't made a token in YEARS now...what do you expect?!

How do you convince developers to put some thought or optimization for cards that less than 30% of us PC gamers are using?

AMD used to give games with their cards, now they don't because there are almost no ''AMD sponsored'' games that are coming out...it's all nvidia meant to be played all over the place and gameworks and shit and it ain't gonna change until AMD stop trying to compete nvidia in price/performance cause clearly they are loosing what they have to do IMHO is settle down and cut price the 390 should be a good 50 to 80$ cheaper than a 970 for people to really start buying into it.

 

The AMD problem is REAL brother.

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

Bethesda Gamesa are 1:1 since Morrowind. Ridiculous People still complain about it.

And even with Bugs, Beth. Games are Leaders in Case of Fun, Modding and Content. By a Lightyear at least.

Not very difficult to see why. Which other games lets you turn it to a full blown waifu sim?

Sex sells very easily.