Congress passes budget bill; Hidden inside was the Cybersecurity Information Sharing Act[Updated]

[jecho]

Privacy advocates are going overboard on this stuff. Nobody cares about your porn habits and browser history. Just because it's stored doesn't mean the gov pays someone to look at your crap. It means that if needed the gov can get your information to prosecute you because you are a bad person for one reason or another.

[The Tank]

It doesn't remotely matter that they won't look at it. It matters because they shouldn't have the right to look at it in the first place.

[jecho]

It doesn't remotely matter that they won't look at it. It matters because they ahouldn't have the right to look at it in the first place.

The constitution and the bill of rights weren't designed to protect terrorist and criminals. When you design a intranet just in the confines of your home I will advocate for it rights. Until then the Internet is not a do whatever you want and get away with it utility.

[The Tank]

The constitution and the bill of rights weren't designed to protect terrorist and criminals. When you design a intranet just in the confines of your home I will advocate for it rights. Until then the Internet is not a do whatever you want and get away with it utility.

No they were designed to protect liberties such as freedom of speech and privacy.  

"He who is willing to give up his liberties for security deserves neither"  -Ben Franklin

[jecho]

No they were designed to protect liberties such as freedom of speech and privacy.

"He who is willing to give up his liberties for security deserves neither" -Ben Franklin

I am confused at how collection of data somehow diminishes your freedom. As for your privacy. You gave that up when you bought internet service. I would bet over 99% of your data is already used to target ads at you by private businesses.

[Admiral Naismith]

How Americans aren't lining up to flee away in droves boggles the mind. Canada is literally a hop and a skip away. Hell, I'd rather live in Mexico. Nicaragua, Cuba, Jamaica, all easily more attractive options than USA.

No one wants us. To get a full citizenship anywhere (if you're not highly educated/upper ranking person in a job field that country is lacking) that's not worse than here is a bitch.

[The Tank]

I am confused at how collection of data somehow diminishes your freedom. As for your privacy. You gave that up when you bought internet service. I would bet over 99% of your data is already used to target ads at you by private businesses.

And that's the sad part, we're creating a country that thinks this is acceptable and truthfully it is the direct opposite of what the founding fathers intended

[Philosobyte]

Is there a term to describe something like this - pork barrel which isn't about spending, but for higher-level political agenda? Or do you think pork barrel fits for this situation as well?

[jecho]

And that's the sad part, we're creating a country that thinks this is acceptable and truthfully it is the direct opposite of what the founding fathers intended

They also didn't intend for people to send full frontal nudity over snapchat. You must be one of those poor souls that think that the free websites you visit don't have a cost of some sort. I'm not a mindless drone I'm just realistic.

[The Tank]

They also didn't intend for people to send full frontal nudity over snapchat. You must be one of those poor souls that think that the free websites you visit don't have a cost of some sort. I'm not a mindless drone I'm just realistic.

Wow good retort mocking my intelligence,  Wish I was that cool

[winningsince1337]

It's a 'pick your poison' situation. I'm fully aware of goings on in Mexico. And USA's poison is still worse.

 

It's a hypothetical anyway, I don't live in the US and I have no "upgrade path" anyway.

Good grief, every first world country everywhere spies on everyone whether they know it or not. On the bright side in the US, there's a high standard of living and excellent health care in contrast to Mexico which is largely run by cartels and people live off a 1/10th as much. And good luck getting as quality healthcare if you're sick there.

 

Not to bash you but, when you've visited and lived in a shit hole before, you realize how much you took everything for granted back home. I have a several thousand invested into playing video games (entirely unnecessary for living), I have a nice car, I can go to the doctor whenever I want thanks to expensive health insurance, and I go to an excellent University. However, these people walk for a week through the jungle just to see a traveling dentist and hope he can fix their tooth pain they've been having for years and they have nothing to stop the pain. And by the time they get there, their feet are raw and bleeding because they have no shoes. No country is perfect but be grateful for what you have, it's the least you can do. 

[Fetzie]

This was going to get passed anyway at some point, but fact that they were willing to go as far as blackmail ("sign CISA or the government shuts down the week before Christmas, and we'll say it was the democrats' fault") sucks.

[TopDollar]

With two of the largest data breaches in history that affected 22.1 million people in 2015 (including the fingerprints of 5.6 million people), it doesn't surprise me that CISA passed. Essentially it's an effort to improve the ability to fight cybercrime. Is it the right way to go about it? Maybe not (government is famous for its knee jerk reactions). I can tell you that I trust my data with the US government far more than I trust it with any foreign governments.

[Miguel Batista]

With two of the largest data breaches in history that affected 22.1 million people in 2015 (including the fingerprints of 5.6 million people), it doesn't surprise me that CISA passed. Essentially it's an effort to improve the ability to fight cybercrime. Is it the right way to go about it? Maybe not (government is famous for its knee jerk reactions). I can tell you that I trust my data with the US government far more than I trust it with any foreign governments.

Why don't you just bend over and take it? It is wrong for any government to intrude into private inocent citizen's lives.

It's not because people have nothing to hide (everyone does btw) its just a terrible idea overall and a huge threat to free speech and freedom overall.

One day you will be discussing politics online and the next day police will come to your doorstep and arrest you for dissent. This is the kind of thing we are allowing.

[thekeemo]

Privacy advocates are going overboard on this stuff. Nobody cares about your porn habits and browser history. Just because it's stored doesn't mean the gov pays someone to look at your crap. It means that if needed the gov can get your information to prosecute you because you are a bad person for one reason or another.

if this was the case in any other "developed" could try sure. But this is a country that brainwashed its citizens to support war undermines democracies almost annually and allows its citizens to be thrown into the streets from hospitals because they can't pay.

[wpirobotbuilder]

This is pretty common practice -- it's called a rider, basically legislation that isn't enough to make the sitting leader compromise in order to pass a larger bill that is very important to the country. Most politicans do it.

 

It does feel pretty underhanded, though. On the upside, we get 5 more years of tax credits for renewable energy development, which has been spreading like crazy.

[Trik'Stari]

I am confused at how collection of data somehow diminishes your freedom. As for your privacy. You gave that up when you bought internet service. I would bet over 99% of your data is already used to target ads at you by private businesses.

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

 

-Benjamin Franklin.

 

Spying has yet to stop a single terrorist attack. It's not meant to. It's meant to spy on people, nothing more.

[AresKrieger]

I kinda wished this topic made it on the wan show, but I think it just fell to close to the stream time, of course this could have been what linus was trying to mention in the final seconds of the show.

[TopDollar]

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

 

-Benjamin Franklin.

 

Spying has yet to stop a single terrorist attack. It's not meant to. It's meant to spy on people, nothing more.

Straw man arguments don't help. Either way, saying that spying has yet to stop a single terrorist attack is not true at all.

[Zah]

How Americans aren't lining up to flee away in droves boggles the mind. Canada is literally a hop and a skip away. Hell, I'd rather live in Mexico. Nicaragua, Cuba, Jamaica, all easily more attractive options than USA.

Are you an idiot?  To say those countries respect your freedoms more than America is pretty much an idiotic thing to say, even Canada has worse respect to your freedoms.  To believe otherwise means you have some vendetta, and I suggest you read how this got passed, because it wasn't a bunch of congressmen going "Yea, let's fuck over the American people" it was "How do we prevent the government from shutting down and keep the things that need to be kept going, going?".  And I assure you, most people likely didn't read the bill (which is retarded), but that is the nature of an omnibus bill.

 

Please, do not open your mouth unless you know about American politics.

[AresKrieger]

 

Update:

The budget bill was signed by Obama on Friday afternoon. This includes the approval of the CISA act.

 

 

Sources

theVerge

engadget

Wired

 

Here are the senate votes for the bill, I have some angry letters to write now as a New Hampshirite, as both of our senators voted for this crap

[Tsuki]

 

 

Here are the senate votes for the bill, I have some angry letters to write now as a New Hampshirite, as both of our senators voted for this crap

yay my senator isnt a fucking moron! (OR)

[Memories4K]

 

Here are the senate votes for the bill, I have some angry letters to write now as a New Hampshirite, as both of our senators voted for this crap

Disappointed in Warren.

Proud of Sanders and Paul.

[Hunter259]

Has anyone here actually looked through the CISA part of the bill? It does not allow for wider NSA surveillance and is only there for companies to help the US. 

[Tech_Dreamer]

Oh He signed it?

THANKS OBAMA!!