AMD Discusses 2016 Radeon Visual Technologies Roadmap (HDR, HDMI 2.0, DisplayPort 1.3)

[Cheddle]

I want 27" 120hz hdr 5k displays to become a thing. That would be the perfect monitor for me.

 

Must be a Tasmanian thing.

[niofalpha]

Then you recalled wrongly, because AMD worked on HBM for almost a decade.

Soo AMD has been working with Hynix since just after DDR3 Came out... 

A. I doubt it took them that long to work on it

B. Then why did AMD push for GDDR5 instead of HBM several years ago?

[GzeroD]

Soo AMD has been working with Hynix since just after DDR3 Came out... 

A. I doubt it took them that long to work on it

B. Then why did AMD push for GDDR5 instead of HBM several years ago?

And This is when I pinpointed that this guy has just been trolling the thread.

[Killmeplsok]

Soo AMD has been working with Hynix since just after DDR3 Came out... 

A. I doubt it took them that long to work on it

B. Then why did AMD push for GDDR5 instead of HBM several years ago?

A. You severely underestimated the amount of time needed to develop a new tech.

B. Because HBM wasn't ready? For example, DDR4 started it's development during 2005, a couple years before DDR3 even launch and you only see it becoming mainstream this year and in very limited application last year, only ECC memories were available during Q2 2014, non ECC were after that. Same thing happened here, HBM started development before GDDR5 (and GDDR4 actually) even officially launched and it's not rare in any way.

[niofalpha]

And This is when I pinpointed that this guy has just been trolling the thread.

Best response/10

[niofalpha]

A. You severely underestimated the amount of time needed to develop a new tech.

B. Because HBM wasn't ready? For example, DDR4 started it's development during 2005, a couple years before DDR3 even launch and you only see it becoming mainstream this year and in very limited application last year, only ECC memories were available during Q2 2014, non ECC were after that. Same thing happened here, HBM started development before GDDR5 (and GDDR4 actually) even officially launched and it's not rare in any way.

Sources?

[Killmeplsok]

Sources?

Just put these keywords in your address bar: amd hbm decade

 

Google will give you at least 10 different sources.

[patrickjp93]

Umm just about anyone can it is super easy to spot a TN panel.

No, they can spot a crappy TN panel. Good ones are nearly indistinguishable.

[RagnarokDel]

Compare a TN panel with an IPS panel side by side and tell me you can notice a difference in an average game.

I dont have an IPS at the moment because I decided to go high refresh rate when I got mine instead of quality but as soon as you sit in front of a tn it's just obvious. Maybe not newer ones but the one I got a few years ago was like that.

Btw you can always find a LTT video on it.

[Mr_Troll]

reply removed due to being stupid

[kacper]

Well fuck , 2016 and we'll be already saturating DP 1.3 .

And before people start commenting on this bullshit that nobody will be using 4k 120hz - please stop .

[ivan134]

murica without internet? rip .... eventually all the major companies will move to the EU... and everything will be fine again...

Wrong thread?

[dimitriianghelov]

it seems like 10 bit will take more bandwidth that's why most monitors using it have lower refresh rate, does that mean it's gonna have a performance hit? which will be addressed with the new gpus?

[ThreePinkApples]

it seems like 10 bit will take more bandwidth that's why most monitors using it have lower refresh rate, does that mean it's gonna have a performance hit? which will be addressed with the new gpus?

 

Not a direct performance hit necessary, but it will impact VRAM usage as each pixel requires up to 6 bits more data (plus whatever HDR needs) for storing the 10bit color

[MecCz]

I just want more 1440p144 IPS/PLS options without defects. The MG279Q I had was unacceptable build quality, massive bleed in the bottom right corner causing blacks to be discolored yellow

^ this

[Doobeedoo]

240Hz Freesync monitor with new DP will be amazing. Maybe 4K with 120Hz and have option to set 1080p at 240Hz for fps games. Would want for sure.
Though when will we see OLED monitors already?

[LAwLz]

Not a direct performance hit necessary, but it will impact VRAM usage as each pixel requires up to 6 bits more data (plus whatever HDR needs) for storing the 10bit color

I don't know how textures are compressed, but 10bit does not necessarily mean more bandwidth and storage. If you have a texture in a lossless format then yes, it will need more VRAM. If the textures are compressed in a lossy format however, 10-bit has a good chance of actually using LESS VRAM.

 

If you encode a video with 10bit depth then you will not only get a better image, you will also get a smaller file. Here is a super brief and non-detailed explanation of why. For a very slightly more detailed explanation, see this post (any more details than that and lots of math gets involved and it gets very complicated).

 

But I don't think this will have any impact on performance in the near future. Game developers have already been able to take advantage of 10bit color depth for certain things if they wanted and they opted not to. Your monitor won't magically become 10bit just because your GPU is either so the marketshare will be tiny.

These news are a very good first step in the right direction though. Good job AMD.

[Fetzie]

I don't know how textures are compressed, but 10bit does not necessarily mean more bandwidth and storage. If you have a texture in a lossless format then yes, it will need more VRAM. If the textures are compressed in a lossy format however, 10-bit has a good chance of actually using LESS VRAM.

If you encode a video with 10bit depth then you will not only get a better image, you will also get a smaller file. Here is a super brief and non-detailed explanation of why. For a very slightly more detailed explanation, see this post (any more details than that and lots of math gets involved and it gets very complicated).

But I don't think this will have any impact on performance in the near future. Game developers have already been able to take advantage of 10bit color depth for certain things if they wanted and they opted not to. Your monitor won't magically become 10bit just because your GPU is either so the marketshare will be tiny.

These news are a very good first step in the right direction though. Good job AMD.

Hopefully affordable cards capable of producing 10bit colour will help to attract monitor manufacturers to make more 10bit panels.

[niofalpha]

I dont have an IPS at the moment because I decided to go high refresh rate when I got mine instead of quality but as soon as you sit in front of a tn it's just obvious. Maybe not newer ones but the one I got a few years ago was like that.

Btw you can always find a LTT video on it.

I'm not talking about old panels, I'm talking about new ones.

 

Compare 2 similarly priced high end panels, one TN, one IPS and tell me you can see a difference. 10 Bit color will be a smaller difference than this. 10 bit color for gamers is stupid imo, and just a tool to hype up GPU's.

 

Also, look at the HDR picture in the OP. There is no way it'll be that different in real world. 

[niofalpha]

Just put these keywords in your address bar: amd hbm decade

 

Google will give you at least 10 different sources.

They give 1 actual source from AMD themselves, and a bunch of people reporting on it/ forum posts...

I personally don't trust manufacturer (Especially AMD) sources being unbiased, any besides that? Maybe from Hynix?

Funnily enough on the Wikipedia it says development with AMD began in 2008, and on AMD's own slides it says 2007 with other sources saying 2006.

[Prysin]

I'm not talking about old panels, I'm talking about new ones.

 

Compare 2 similarly priced high end panels, one TN, one IPS and tell me you can see a difference. 10 Bit color will be a smaller difference than this. 10 bit color for gamers is stupid imo, and just a tool to hype up GPU's.

 

Also, look at the HDR picture in the OP. There is no way it'll be that different in real world. 

easy. even the best of TN will have more washed out dark colors.... bright colors are the same, but dark colors, you CAN spot the difference.

 

 

They give 1 actual source from AMD themselves, and a bunch of people reporting on it/ forum posts...

I personally don't trust manufacturer (Especially AMD) sources being unbiased, any besides that? Maybe from Hynix?

Funnily enough on the Wikipedia it says development with AMD began in 2008, and on AMD's own slides it says 2007 with other sources saying 2006.

AMD prolly started looking into the concept in 2007 internally. Then got Hynix in on HBM around 2008.

AMD and Hynix ARE the "official" creators of HBM. known fact.

 

other sources are probably making guesses as to when AMD started their internal R&D process.

[Altecice]

YA Nvidia will match HBM memory that AMD developed and already uses and then they will dump SLI crap and use technology that AMD already has and then maybe they will have DX12 hardware support. Until then keeping buying there out of date cards.

 

Hold on there, AMD cards have T3-DX12 support yes. But Nvidia have T2-DX12.1 support. People seem to forget about this .1 at the end.... not that it will make any difference in the real world. If you think game developers are going to utilize things in DX12 that 70% (current market share of Nvidia GPU's) wont have. You can think again.

 

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They claim that 5K is 78% more than 4K thats just misleading as hell. When we talk about (x)K display we are talking about horizontal pixel count. The HDR section is just total garbage we already have 10-bit displays and GPU's nothing new there at all. I dont like the images they are using at the top either, I have never seen a picture that looks like the left one.

[Tomsen]

Hold on there, AMD cards have T3-DX12 support yes. But Nvidia have T2-DX12.1 support. People seem to forget about this .1 at the end.... not that it will make any difference in the real world. If you think game developers are going to utilize things in DX12 that 70% (current market share of Nvidia GPU's) wont have. You can think again.

A specific feature-set Nvidia was pushing rather hard to get through. But a good point, nevertheless.

Of course Nvidia and AMD aren't going to look passively, as studios choose what to feature and what not to feature.

[Alfa404]

Just when I bought the pg279q, and this news comes out. Good job AMD /sadface.

[dalekphalm]

Just when I bought the pg279q, and this news comes out. Good job AMD /sadface.

Return it, or sell it and buy a new one in 2-3 years.

 

Most of what they're announcing will not likely make it into consumer monitors for at least another year.

 

This is nothing but good news. Monitors have been relatively stagnant for years. Good to see more new trends pushing the technology forward.