Low image quality on newer GPUs

[SkilledRebuilds]

Hey Thanks!

Well as i said on the other video with 290 too , i see the shimmer but absolutely less 'disturbance' effect, specially on the floor if i move the camera up and down it give me something like a disturb instead of the grid, i think i have to wait for some other comparison maybe with the same card .

Another thing i saw about Alien Isolation with my gpu is that if i move the camera too fast (from right to left etc) all the source of lighting load at the moment (litterally from darkness to light lol ) any of you have the same thing?

Nah I don't have a lighting variance when moving fast. (I know what you mean i think, kinda like simulated HDR?)

[Cloud7_3]

Nah I don't have a lighting variance when moving fast. (I know what you mean i think, kinda like simulated HDR?)

well in my case it's more like 'light off' when i don't look at a point then i move fast the camera toward that point 'light off' for a second then 'light on' (not easy to explain lol)

As for the shimmer i'm trying various setting on nvcp but seems to have no benefit/change from that.

 

Another thing i noticed today ,the card started to underclock itself (54°C ) from time to time (before it always stayed at 1392 mhz core clock today i've seen an heavy underclock to 900mhz , but no fps drops) but i don't want to go off topic.

[SkilledRebuilds]

 i don't want to go off topic.

Thats why I'm not posting any and all things as well as having a major discussion, I can't test a 970 yet.

Will do when I have my RMA GTX970 back.

FYI - GTX670/970 testing has always been on whatever the latest driver is (at the time of making video)

 

Anyone else, feel free to make similar video's and such for comparison.

[MEC-777]

In the process of uploading all my captured footage from last night. @Cloud7_3 Alien Isolation looks the same for me as it does for you, even at 4K DSR and I know why. It is normal. Will explain in more detail when I post up all the footage later today. 

[SkilledRebuilds]

In the process of uploading all my captured footage from last night. @Cloud7_3 Alien Isolation looks the same for me as it does for you, even at 4K DSR and I know why. It is normal. Will explain in more detail when I post up all the footage later today. 

Yet he said mine looks better.? Better than normal?

I installed it again just to make the video I did, to which he said mine shimmered less.

/GTX 670 was @ 1080p today (the one he said looked better than his), but have a GTX970 'almost 4K' video and that looks normal to him.

[MEC-777]

Yet he said mine looks better.? Better than normal?

I installed it again just to make the video I did, to which he said mine shimmered less.

/GTX 670 was @ 1080p today (the one he said looked better than his), but have a GTX970 'almost 4K' video and that looks normal to him.

 

That's because the objects you were looking at in the video you recorded happen to not produce the shimmering effect as much due to the shape of the objects and lighting. I did see it in your video - when you briefly looked at the edge of one of the control consoles near the beginning, you can see it. You can see in here and there throughout, again just not as much because of the scenes you were playing happen to not produce the effect as much. In the videos I recorded in this game, you'll see heavy shimmering in one area and almost none in another. It is normal though, and I'll explain why in more detail when I post up the footage.

[Denisix]

What is it??

[MEC-777]

What is it??

 

That is a normal aliasing effect. Gamers have been staring at this for years and years. You have the sharp edge of an object being illuminated and reflected by a light source and you have rows of pixels that are only so small which are trying to reproduce the image. It also has [partly] something to do with the type of AA filtering that's being applied (the white dots you see). This is what you get. If you don't want to see this, the solutions are as follows: Run more/higher AA filtering and if that doesn't work, get a 4K monitor. It is normal. 

 

 

Note where Linus says in the video; the best solution is to increase the pixel density of your display.

[daraga123]

So will we ever get the solution or its impossilbe? :<

[MEC-777]

So will we ever get the solution or its impossilbe? :<

 

The solution is increase pixel density/resolution of the display.

[MarkFMB]

@Cloud7_3 I see from the language in one of your vids you're italian? Totally offtopic but i'm as well, glad to know i'm not the only italian bothered by this at the very least.

@MEC-777 You sound almost convincing in trying to make me believe this is normal. I think i'm going mad from knowing it's not normal and starting to believe it is. I saw friends with the same configurations without this problem, or without it THIS noticeable. And they had no DSR and less filtering added... I also never noticed this problem before... could it be cuase i had AMD and not Nvidia? Could it the lack of lod clamping in Maxwell cards (i got a 970 now) makes this a lot more noticeable for obvious reasons and while i was still with AMD i couldn't see it cause it was overall more blurry? I had a Fermi card before 280x... and Fermi cards had still lod clamping working so that could have masked this as well as the time, and enforcing the theory why i see it just now... I'm honestly getting crazy and getting many sleepless nights over this. I honestly still believe a problem is there... maybe it's not something creating this effect but it could be something worsening it. I would honestly have noticed it before in almost 15 years of gaming and graphic settings tweaking. Sooner or later i'll get carried to a mental hospital over this, i just know it... I'll try and make some more comparisons with different cards. Jesus i don't know what to think anymore... this is getting more mysterious and more stressful than what i do normally, and i'm a simil-lawyer, so i see and deal with my share of absurd problems daily...

[MEC-777]

@Cloud7_3 I see from the language in one of your vids you're italian? Totally offtopic but i'm as well, glad to know i'm not the only italian bothered by this at the very least.

@MEC-777 You sound almost convincing in trying to make me believe this is normal. I think i'm going mad from knowing it's not normal and starting to believe it is. I saw friends with the same configurations without this problem, or without it THIS noticeable. And they had no DSR and less filtering added... I also never noticed this problem before... could it be cuase i had AMD and not Nvidia? Could it the lack of lod clamping in Maxwell cards (i got a 970 now) makes this a lot more noticeable for obvious reasons and while i was still with AMD i couldn't see it cause it was overall more blurry? I had a Fermi card before 280x... and Fermi cards had still lod clamping working so that could have masked this as well as the time, and enforcing the theory why i see it just now... I'm honestly getting crazy and getting many sleepless nights over this. I honestly still believe a problem is there... maybe it's not something creating this effect but it could be something worsening it. I would honestly have noticed it before in almost 15 years of gaming and graphic settings tweaking. Sooner or later i'll get carried to a mental hospital over this, i just know it... I'll try and make some more comparisons with different cards. Jesus i don't know what to think anymore... this is getting more mysterious and more stressful than what i do normally, and i'm a simil-lawyer, so i see and deal with my share of absurd problems daily...

 

Lol, just hold tight. I'm still uploading the footage I recorded last night and I will (hopefully) be able to show you that much of what has been pointed out as "new graphical problems/issues" is actually something normal. I'm seeing these "things" in games on my PC as well, so you're not crazy. But I stand firm that it is normal phenomenon which has always existed. I've seen this for years, I just never stared directly at it and it has never bothered me before (nor does it bother me now - because I know why it's there). 

 

I believe that the standards of visual/image quality in gaming - especially PC gaming - has/is increasing as higher resolutions displays are becoming more prominent in our lives (phones, tablets etc.) and some people are just starting to notice these "things" much more so than ever before. 

 

So yeah, I've got 3 more videos to upload and then I'll post them all with explanations/commentary to go along with them.  

[Tic-Tac]

That is a normal aliasing effect. 

 

No IT IS NOT NORMAL! At least for AAA 2015 game!

[vanished]

No IT IS NOT NORMAL! At least for AAA 2015 game!

Yeah.  Looking at @Denisix 's pictures, despite the high amount of jpeg compression, it is still clear that while the edge's he's pointed out are messed up, every other edger looks perfectly fine... can someone explain?

[daraga123]

The solution is increase pixel density/resolution of the display.

Texture and shadow pop ins? Texture shimmering and jagged edges+moving the camera moves white points on the edges? All fixed by changing the resolution?

[Tic-Tac]

What about this ?

 

 

[MEC-777]

No IT IS NOT NORMAL! At least for AAA 2015 game!

 

Yeah.  Looking at @Denisix 's pictures, despite the high amount of jpeg compression, it is still clear that while the edge's he's pointed out are messed up, every other edger looks perfectly fine... can someone explain?

 

Yes, it is normal. It has to do with the type of AA filter being applied. I will try to find out which, but I remember seeing an article a while back where it showed there is a certain type of AA method that can cause those white dots or specs. It's very prominent in Crysis 3 as well. 

[vanished]

Yes, it is normal. It has to do with the type of AA filter being applied. I will try to find out which, but I remember seeing an article a while back where it showed there is a certain type of AA method that can cause those white dots or specs. It's very prominent in Crysis 3 as well. 

What kind of AA would leave just a few random edges not only aliased but with that weird white bit mixed in, while completely taking care of every other edge? I know there are different kinds of AA (and other filters) for surfaces vs edges, etc. but this seems like a stretch...

[Tic-Tac]

Well this is bullshit if you ask me! Look at my screenshots again and tell me if that is normal, specially the one with those  freakin' minecraft shadows! and I'm using 4xMSAA, Softest Shadows...

[MEC-777]

Texture and shadow pop ins? Texture shimmering and jagged edges+moving the camera moves white points on the edges? All fixed by changing the resolution?

 

Not the texture and shadow pop-in. The other things, yes. If not completely fixed, significantly reduced. 

 

The pop-in issue is directly related to the specific game engine, draw distances, game settings and how it was optimized. Not much can be done about pop-in aside from increasing draw distance in the settings. 

 

What about this ?

 

 

 

All normal. Around the lower edge of the screen on the TV is normal aliasing effect at the given resolution. The blocky shadows means you either have shadow details turned down in the game settings or the game simply has poor shadow AA filtering. BTW, what are your shadow settings? - NM you answered in your last post.

[MEC-777]

Well this is bullshit if you ask me! Look at my screenshots again and tell me if that is normal, specially the one with those  freakin' minecraft shadows! and I'm using 4xMSAA, Softest Shadows...

 

What's your shadow quality set to in-game?

 

Here's footage I recorded last night in GTA V. All my settings are shown in the video. Shadows do not look blocky like yours. It's probably because of your shadow settings.

 

 

 

Watch at 1080p60fps if your connection will allow. 

 

@1:31 you can pause and look at the fencing to the right. You'll see the white aliasing dots along the top edge. This IS a normal aliasing phenomenon in this game, even with AA filtering applied.

[Tic-Tac]

Those are my current settings : 

 

Except now I run 4xMSAA and HiRes Shadows OFF . Maybe some settings in NCP could help? Besides editing Settings.xml and changing <MSAAQuality value="0" />

 

[Cloud7_3]

In the process of uploading all my captured footage from last night. @Cloud7_3 Alien Isolation looks the same for me as it does for you, even at 4K DSR and I know why. It is normal. Will explain in more detail when I post up all the footage later today. 

Hope to see your videos for some comparison (if you can do shadow of mordor too it would be great) soon

 

Yet he said mine looks better.? Better than normal?

I installed it again just to make the video I did, to which he said mine shimmered less.

/GTX 670 was @ 1080p today (the one he said looked better than his), but have a GTX970 'almost 4K' video and that looks normal to him.

 

 

That's because the objects you were looking at in the video you recorded happen to not produce the shimmering effect as much due to the shape of the objects and lighting. I did see it in your video - when you briefly looked at the edge of one of the control consoles near the beginning, you can see it. You can see in here and there throughout, again just not as much because of the scenes you were playing happen to not produce the effect as much. In the videos I recorded in this game, you'll see heavy shimmering in one area and almost none in another. It is normal though, and I'll explain why in more detail when I post up the footage.

Yes i agree with Mec, i still notice too much shimmer in my games (not only alien, and even heaven engine , but in heaven i've discovered it's the ambient occlusion that goes mad to me) but in Alien it seems very common , maybe my sharpness of the monitor make it worse for me when playing , or i have some driver issue )

 

@Cloud7_3 I see from the language in one of your vids you're italian? Totally offtopic but i'm as well, glad to know i'm not the only italian bothered by this at the very least.

@MEC-777 You sound almost convincing in trying to make me believe this is normal. I think i'm going mad from knowing it's not normal and starting to believe it is. I saw friends with the same configurations without this problem, or without it THIS noticeable. And they had no DSR and less filtering added... I also never noticed this problem before... could it be cuase i had AMD and not Nvidia? Could it the lack of lod clamping in Maxwell cards (i got a 970 now) makes this a lot more noticeable for obvious reasons and while i was still with AMD i couldn't see it cause it was overall more blurry? I had a Fermi card before 280x... and Fermi cards had still lod clamping working so that could have masked this as well as the time, and enforcing the theory why i see it just now... I'm honestly getting crazy and getting many sleepless nights over this. I honestly still believe a problem is there... maybe it's not something creating this effect but it could be something worsening it. I would honestly have noticed it before in almost 15 years of gaming and graphic settings tweaking. Sooner or later i'll get carried to a mental hospital over this, i just know it... I'll try and make some more comparisons with different cards. Jesus i don't know what to think anymore... this is getting more mysterious and more stressful than what i do normally, and i'm a simil-lawyer, so i see and deal with my share of absurd problems daily...

Yes i'm italian

 

What Mec says it's 90% true , in some game the DSR work like a charm if you look at my Dark Souls 2 you can notice the aliasing is almost gone on 4K DSR (the only problem is that you cannot put every game at 4K , at example Alien Isolation , great performance optimization , but at 4K is heavy for a single GTX 970.

[vanished]

Those are my current settings : 

 

Except now I run 4xMSAA and HiRes Shadows OFF . Maybe some settings in NCP could help? Besides editing Settings.xml and changing <MSAAQuality value="0" />

 

 

Wait, but what is your actual "Shadow Quality" set to?  I have soft shadows set to just "Soft" (2 steps down) but they look a hell of a lot better than yours.

[Cloud7_3]

Those are my current settings : 

 

Except now I run 4xMSAA and HiRes Shadows OFF . Maybe some settings in NCP could help? Besides editing Settings.xml and changing <MSAAQuality value="0" />

 

Why i can't see the shadow quality and texture quality option in your screen? post that too dude or post some complete video