Xiaomi Gemini (Mi 5) appears on Geekbench, will use Snapdragon 820

[ZetZet]

Wow, that multi-core score is pretty nice. 

mediatek is shit on graphics, their cpu performance has been fine for a while.

[Minetex]

Still looking forward to it, it's only a quad-core, so no big surprice it's worse that some octa-cores. It will be a major update after 2 years on Snapdragon 600 And I will overclock, at least I hope

[Doobeedoo]

 

How is that low? Multi-core seems low, single-core looks high.

A9 runs at 1.8GHz and it's only a bit faster than a 4 core running at 1.6 GHz...

 

MX5 with X10

 

Compared to A9 chip it just looks low for something upcoming. Both single and multi-core specially single-core performance.

[ZetZet]

Compared to A9 chip it just looks low for something upcoming. Both single and multi-core specially single-core performance.

You want a quad core chip to match single core performance of a dual core? That's never a single generation leap.

[Doobeedoo]

You want a quad core chip to match single core performance of a dual core? That's never a single generation leap.

Yeah, well, it's two core vs big.LITTLE which could be just 4 large cores and single-core performance could/would/should be on par. Though even for multi-core score that dual core sure runs really well.

[LAwLz]

While the exynos 7420 benches really high, the S6 has rather poor battery life. A friend of mine has one that's rather warm at any time during use. If i had to guess, I would believe the octa core setup on the 7420 is fast yet power hungry. Unless there's better documentation of power consumption. 

Andrei on Anandtech took a "deep dive" into the Exynos 7420 and documented things such as power consumption. The conclusion is that the 7420 is very power efficient.

 

The SoC market will become really interesting next-gen. We got Samsung with their own architecture, Qualcomm with their own, Apple with their own and then the original ARM one. If the rumors about LG throwing their hat into the ring are true then we will have FIVE CPU makers competing. That would be pretty glorious.

[ZetZet]

Yeah, well, it's two core vs big.LITTLE which could be just 4 large cores and single-core performance could/would/should be on par. Though even for multi-core score that dual core sure runs really well.

820 is not big.LITTLE.

[Doobeedoo]

820 is not big.LITTLE.

Oh yeah my bad, 810 was in my head.

But still, wouldn't it be possible to let's say make a 2 cores like A9 and other 2 some other.

[ZetZet]

Oh yeah my bad, 810 was in my head.

But still, wouldn't it be possible to let's say make a 2 cores like A9 and other 2 some other.

yes, but Android apps like quad cores now.

[dizmo]

My thoughts exactly. QM had YEARS to prepary Kyro, im pretty sure they focused on single core performance very much... being barely 25% over A53 doesnt sound pleasant, especially with A72 being shipped soon, samsung doing its own thing, and Typhoon just killing it all. And then there is intel on the horizon...

 

If this is really Kyro, Qualcomm will suffer a major blow in the next few quarters

Haha, Intel has been "on the horizon" for so long I don't think they'll ever be relevant. Yes, they were in the Zenphone 2. But look at them now. Kicked out in favor of Qualcomm.

Makes me wonder why. I'm guessing their SoC's simply don't offer enough features. Qualcomm packs quite a few value adds into theirs.

I'm most interested in the SenseID in the SD820.

 

IMHO: who gives a shit. Is the Samsung multi core faster? Yes. What phone has shit battery life? The Samsung. As long as the UI doesn't lag and it has low power consumption, who cares if the Samsung, it's hot if you use it and has a potato battery, benches slightly higher.

Apple got it right, as long as the user experience is good, the numbers don't matter.

Shit battery life? My Note easily gets the best battery life of any smartphone phone I've used to date, while having a significantly larger screen.

 

How does it compare to the Helio X10 present in the Xiaomi Redmi Note 3?

X10 is...not great. X20 is more interesting.

 

that is what we need. What the public wants is Snapdragon! now with 30% more dragon!

I've never understood why people are obsessed with the Snapdragon name. Then again, I often wonder how many people give a fuck at all.

I think it's mostly a very select group of reviewers. I'd imagine 90% of consumers have no idea what SoC is in their phone, nor do they care.

[LukaP]

Haha, Intel has been "on the horizon" for so long I don't think they'll ever be relevant. Yes, they were in the Zenphone 2. But look at them now. Kicked out in favor of Qualcomm.

Makes me wonder why. I'm guessing their SoC's simply don't offer enough features. Qualcomm packs quite a few value adds into theirs.

I'm most interested in the SenseID in the SD820.

 

 

I've never understood why people are obsessed with the Snapdragon name. Then again, I often wonder how many people give a fuck at all.

I think it's mostly a very select group of reviewers. I'd imagine 90% of consumers have no idea what SoC is in their phone, nor do they care.

CPu wise it was very competitive in the ZF2, if they keep that up, while improving the GPU to Apples level (which they are very capable of) then i dont see what else. their modems are also very good, and getting integrated, and they are selling at cost to help penetrate

 

Its mostly the same as the Intel Inside branding on PCs. its branding, that the public recognises, without knowing what it means

[Doobeedoo]

yes, but Android apps like quad cores now.

Right, so let's say A9 cores and if there were 4 of them it wouldn't be efficient or?

[ZetZet]

Right, so let's say A9 cores and if there were 4 of them it wouldn't be efficient or?

It would be consuming twice as much power..? And the chip would be gigantic in comparison.

[LukaP]

It would be consuming twice as much power..? And the chip would be gigantic in comparison.

an enormous part of teh SOC is the graphics cores. the 2 CPU cores are not really taht big

[Doobeedoo]

It would be consuming twice as much power..? And the chip would be gigantic in comparison.

So any comparison between A9 and 820 power consuption?

[ZetZet]

So any comparison between A9 and 820 power consuption?

hard to find a comparison, but since apple phones and other phones have remarkably similar battery life you can imagine it's pretty much 1:1

[Doobeedoo]

hard to find a comparison, but since apple phones and other phones have remarkably similar battery life you can imagine it's pretty much 1:1

Yeah I guess. So why even do big-LITTLE now. I mean I know more cores is being used, but not using same type of cores on SoC is gettign weird

[ZetZet]

Yeah I guess. So why even do big-LITTLE now. I mean I know more cores is being used, but not using same type of cores on SoC is gettign weird

Well. Idk. Samsung big.LITTLE is pretty good. Exynos 7420 IS the fastest chip at the moment and I think it's the most efficient too, since Samsung phones manage to last quite long even with 1440p screens and small batteries.

[LAwLz]

an enormous part of teh SOC is the graphics cores. the 2 CPU cores are not really taht big

ChipWorks to the rescue!

 

 

ChipWorks has a (non-colored) die shot of the Exynos 7420 as well if someone is interested.

Big chunk in the left corner = (probably) A57 cluster.

Small chunk to the right of the A57 cluster = (probably) A53 cluster.

Big chunk in the lower right corner = (probably) the GPU.

 

 

 

hard to find a comparison, but since apple phones and other phones have remarkably similar battery life you can imagine it's pretty much 1:1

Battery life is a pretty bad way to compare SoC efficiency. It's just too many variables that gets changed (the biggest one being display).

It's a really hard thing to measure.

[ZetZet]

Battery life is a pretty bad way to compare SoC efficiency. It's just too many variables that gets changed (the biggest one being display).

It's a really hard thing to measure.

Exactly, Samsung display is way more power hungry and it still lasts the same, the efficiency has to come from somewhere.

 

 

Remember the die sizes when comparing chip sizes. A9 is MASSIVE compared to 7420. 

A9 96-104.5mm squared

7420 is 78mm squared WITH more cores

 

So yes, A9 dual core is considerably larger. GPU too.