Is it time to stop discouraging use of the FX-8350?

[Prysin]

 

 

"Oh please" indeed, for you provide no evidence to your claims. Or produce any examples. Rather, i'm seeing the same dismissive claims being perpetuated that have been continuously shot down yet not registered by AMD pundits due to their severe cognitive dissonance. (not immediatly branding you one, but you're falling victim to their almost religious ideology).

 

i3-6100 does outperform the FX series in games that use more than 4 cores. And it can match a 2500K in games.

 

So let's look at a 8350 setup

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor  ($166.88 @ OutletPC) 

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($24.89 @ OutletPC) 

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($64.89 @ OutletPC) 

Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($44.99 @ Newegg) 

Total: $301.65

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-11 07:39 EST-0500

 

Cooler is mandatory, if you're going to argue the stock fan of the 8350 is "fine" we're done because you're disingenuous.

 

Now an i5 setup.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-6400 2.7GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($180.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($24.89 @ OutletPC) 

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H110M-A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($51.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($53.99 @ Newegg) 

Total: $311.86

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-11 07:45 EST-0500

 

Just for fun, I added the cooler anyway and it's still only 10 dollars more expensive. Without the cooler, which isn't really needed, it's cheaper. You can even squeeze in a faster model.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($194.99 @ Amazon) 

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H110M-A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($51.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($53.99 @ Newegg) 

Total: $300.97

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-11 07:46 EST-0500

 

Motherboard features? The only benefit the 970A has are two extra Sata ports. And who uses 6 sata ports anyway these days for gaming machines.

 

I mean at this point I might aswell follow Faceman's example and copy this every time another one of these ill-researched posts gets posted.

 

 

 

a few points i will note about your post:

 

A: you forgot the cooler on the last Skylake build (either we use stock, or we use aftermarket for comparison. ALL CPUs will work with stock, even FX 8350). Thus the price is "unfair" when compared to the lower clocked and cheaper i5 6400. Stay consistent or dont make comparisons at all.

 

B: You chose faster RAM for the i5s, which i KNOW you HAD to do since they are DDR4. However, you could have gotten yourself a good AM3+ board (for cheap) and gotten faster RAM for FX too. I assume you did watch the video you posted about RAM speed affecting gaming performance.

 

C: The motherboard you chose for the FX was rather... meh. Why do i say this? Because there is two better options availible for either less money or just a little bit more.

The DS3P is a 4+1 phase board, max 140w TDP. Yes it is generally accepted as handling the 8xxx series, but it is NOT reccomended for even a minute OC. Honestly, your selection of FX board shows you just picked WHATEVER. you didnt even pick a cheap one that would handle it.

 

First setup  -> i do not reccomend this, but it WILL handle the FX 8350. (A lengthy thread on Overclockers confirms that this board CAN handle the FX 8xxx series.

 

First, go read this thread: http://www.overclock.net/t/943109/about-vrms-mosfets-motherboard-safety-with-125w-tdp-processors

Then go read this thread: http://www.overclock.net/t/946407/amd-motherboards-vrm-info-database

 

The ASRock 970m PRO3 isnt there, on the other hand, i did search around. It uses the same components as the ATX version, only difference is that IT DOES have a heatsink over the VRMs, the ATX doesnt (atleast on the images at Newegg and other retailers)

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor  ($166.88 @ OutletPC)

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($28.59 @ Amazon)

Motherboard: Biostar TA970 ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($51.98 @ Newegg)

Memory: Kingston 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($35.00 @ Mac Mall)

Total: $282.45

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-11 10:12 EST-0500

 

A more sensible setup:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor  ($166.88 @ OutletPC)

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($28.59 @ Amazon)

Motherboard: ASRock 970M PRO3 Micro ATX AM3+/AM3 Motherboard  ($63.89 @ OutletPC)

Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Z Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2400 Memory  ($46.89 @ OutletPC)

Total: $306.25

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-11 10:10 EST-0500

 

OC setup:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor  ($169.99 @ Newegg)

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($28.59 @ Amazon)

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($77.98 @ Newegg)

Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($36.99 @ Amazon)

Total: $300.55

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-11 10:14 EST-0500

 

 

These are more real options...

AAAAANNNDDD i wouldnt reccomend ANY of them because:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($169.10 @ Newegg)

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H81M-HD2 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($41.98 @ Newegg)

Memory: Mushkin ECO2 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($37.99 @ Newegg)

Total: $249.07

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-11 10:19 EST-0500

 

 

If you had bothered to read my first post, you would have seen my disclaimer that FX ISNT WORTH IT IF YOU CAN AFFORD A i5 4460.

 

WHICH YOU CAN!

 

THE ONLY FX CPU WORTH BUYING IS THE FX 6300.

Why?

Because it costs less then a i3, performs like a i3 4130 at stock, around a 4160/4170 at around 4.2GHz, and can have good motherboards for cheap.

[iHardware Shelden]

Oh my I love it when these threads pop up. 4 years later still having these flame wars but really, you have to give AMD props for milking AM3+ still along FM2+. The 6300 and 8350 have aged quite well and probably will do so in terms of games and multi thread tasks. I love both AMD and Intel but I wish people would complain more about Intel. Skylake was kind of/is a joke....

[NumLock21]

Let's see...

Friend want cheap build, suggest AMD FX8350, feels guilty about it because you know Intel are currently better.

Stop discouraging the use of FX8350 or all AMD cpus? There is no discourage of AMD cpus, it's either good or crap. AMD cpus now are crap, so Intel is the cpu to go with if you want a good gaming machine. When Zen arrives and it beats Intel's latest then everyone will go with AMD as their cpu of choice for their gaming builds.

[Nena Trinity]

Oh my I love it when these threads pop up. 4 years later still having these flame wars but really, you have to give AMD props for milking AM3+ still along FM2+. The 6300 and 8350 have aged quite well and probably will do so in terms of games and multi thread tasks. I love both AMD and Intel but I wish people would complain more about Intel. Skylake was kind of/is a joke....

Yeah they are still selling quite many chips to except the FX-9000 series...

[FruitBasketSilex]

Yeah they are still selling quite many chips to except the FX-9000 series...

I knew I'd find you here.

[Dabombinable]

Yeah they are still selling quite many chips to except the FX-9000 series...

Well they did try to sell the FX 9590 for over $900 at launch.....

[FruitBasketSilex]

Well they did try to sell the FX 9590 for over $900 at launch.....

Are....are..they fucking retarded?

[Dabombinable]

Are....are..they fucking retarded?

They went full retard as soon as they saw CMT doing well in the server market in their Opteron, and decided that it'd do just as well in the consumer market with half of the modules and at a higher clock speed. Long story short you could have gone with any of Intel's i7 and gotten far better performance without the 220W TDP foot note.

[FruitBasketSilex]

They went full retard as soon as they saw CMT doing well in the server market in their Opteron, and decided that it'd do just as well in the consumer market with half of the modules and at a higher clock speed. Long story short you could have gone with any of Intel's i7 and gotten far better performance without the 220W TDP foot note.

Please. AMD....don't fuck up Zen and bankrupt yourself.

Intel4monopoly

[Dabombinable]

Please. AMD....don't fuck up Zen and bankrupt yourself.

Intel4monopoly

Intel might end up doing what they did originally and license designs to AMD the way they did with the earlier CPU (286, 386 and 486). If the licensed their old P6, AMD could really improve on it, though K10 was a good architecture in its own right.

[Nena Trinity]

Please. AMD....don't fuck up Zen and bankrupt yourself.

Intel4monopoly

Well if I am not mistaken Intel cannot even sell their chips if AMD dies so they have to bail them out and risk going broke them self to... V_V

 

ARM will then be the only option left I guess and we will all buy Nvidia!

[Prysin]

I knew I'd find you here.

like a moth drawn into a flaming volcano

[Dabombinable]

Well if I am not mistaken Intel cannot even sell their chips if AMD dies so they have to bail them out and risk going broke them self to... V_V

 

ARM will then be the only option left I guess and we will all buy Nvidia!

Again, Intel could do what they use to do and license designs.

[Nena Trinity]

Again, Intel could do what they use to do and license designs.

They have the 64-bit licence? Oh gawd we all gotta use 32-bit and 4gigs of RAMs!!!

[SteveGrabowski0]

 

I'm not saying with absolute confidence either is right. But the fact they contradict proves that you can't just blindly go by one and stick with it.

 

Well shit, maybe it is time to stop using GameGPU.ru as a source. I trust the work Steve does at GamersNexus a lot, and his results in FO4 are much more in line with the pclab.pl results you posted than the GameGPU.ru ones I did.

 

 

Looks like the 8350 probably still sucks  :lol:

 

Ooops this thread

[FruitBasketSilex]

Well shit, maybe it is time to stop using GameGPU.ru as a source. I trust the work Steve does at GamersNexus a lot, and his results in FO4 are much more in line with the pclab.pl results you posted than the GameGPU.ru ones I did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WjEWrDyPmk

Looks like the 8350 probably still sucks :lol:

Ooops this thread

That akward moment when you create a flame war, engage in said flame war, defend your position fiercly with all your vigor....and then realize you're wrong. :3

[SteveGrabowski0]

That akward moment when you create a flame war, engage in said flame war, defend your position fiercly with all your vigor....and then realize you're wrong. :3

 

no shit  :lol:

 

GameGPU.ru is dead to me now  :lol:

[Clyne]

TL:DR

Don't buy a FX 8xxx unless you have a really good reason to have one. HWBot points, content creation at a cheap price (?), file compression?. That's all i think of that the FX 8xxx is good for.

If you have a FX 8xxx, it's still decent to use but isn't really that necessary to upgrade, it's basically up to your choice. I may need to upgrade in a few years for more performance, but for now i'm fine with my 8320 since i mainly play Source games(rip 60hz monitor since it can't handle the 120FPS+).

If you are in the market of buying a CPU for gaming for this year and maybe to like Q3-2016(?), just go to Intel for a CPU.

A Skylake 6600K or a Haswell 4690K as a upgrade isn't justifiable for me as i'm fine with the current performance i get. 

[Prysin]

honestly, FX8 is useless outside of home servers or cheap as fuck content creators (for which is is great).

FX6 is good, but only because it is cheaper then a i3 setup whilst providing better features (more Sata3 ports, CF, faster RAM)..

@Majestic

i didnt notice before now, but that i3 6100 vs i5 2500k... the ram speed of the i5 is 1333MHz...

Now, i am not saying boosting the speed would definetively alleviate the 35% IPC difference that is between Sandy and Skylake. However since DF did do a rather thorough comparison between fast and slow RAM, i find it weird, that they didnt get atleast 2133MHz for the 2500k... I know the Sandy CPU and boards can handle that fast RAM at least (maybe they didnt have a good enough board ?)

either way, DF themselves prooved that going from 1600 to 2133 gave you a nearly flat FPS increase averaging 6FPS (except Ryse, which had like a 30 FPS increase).

So following this logic, going from 1333 to 2133MHz should have buffed the 2500k by around 6-8FPS at least...

If they had used 2133 MHz with the i3 6100, then they should have performed the same, if not a slight win to the 2500k...

In short, based on DFs own tests on RAM speed, the comparison was skewed in favor of the 6100 from the get go. Not only due to its roughly 35% higher single core performance, but because it simply has TWICE the speed on the RAM, thus having between 50 to 100% more bandwidth then the Sandy setup (the actual bandwidth difference depends on the CAS latencies of the kits in use. the 2666MHz is probably CL15, the 1333 should be 8 or 9 at least)

so yeah...

and still, my point, which i raised in the previous post stands:

If you can afford a i5 4460, FX8 isnt worth it. The end

/thread

[Majestic]

no shit  :lol:

 

GameGPU.ru is dead to me now  :lol:

 

Their GPU scores also make no sense, since their fallout 4 results show the usual results you'd expect between nvidia and AMD. When it's def. not the case.

AMD does really poorly yet again due to their driver CPU overhead and gameworks titles draw too many drawcalls for those drivers, causing massive CPU bottlenecking. Check this out;

 

[Dabombinable]

Their GPU scores also make no sense, since their fallout 4 results show the usual results you'd expect between nvidia and AMD. When it's def. not the case.

AMD does really poorly yet again due to their driver CPU overhead and gameworks titles draw too many drawcalls for those drivers, causing massive CPU bottlenecking. Check this out;

 

So AMD needs to fix their shit?

[Albatross]

It is inferior, so why should we encourage someone buying it? Unless someone has a very strict budget (or is die hard AMD fanboy), I certainly wouldn't ever recommend it.

[don_svetlio]

Their GPU scores also make no sense, since their fallout 4 results show the usual results you'd expect between nvidia and AMD. When it's def. not the case.

AMD does really poorly yet again due to their driver CPU overhead and gameworks titles draw too many drawcalls for those drivers, causing massive CPU bottlenecking. Check this out;

 

No Fallout driver has been released - give them a few days.

[Prysin]

So AMD needs to fix their shit?

or Nvidia needs to fix failworks...

also, dude, this is a bethesda game. god knows how much else is broken.

any bethesda game shouldnt be benched before like a year after release, and with all unofficial and official bug fixes applied.

[Dabombinable]

or Nvidia needs to fix failworks...

also, dude, this is a bethesda game. god knows how much else is broken.

any bethesda game shouldnt be benched before like a year after release, and with all unofficial and official bug fixes applied.

Look, there is no denying that AMD's drivers have a high CPU overhead.