Posted September 26, 2015 i've decided to put off getting a new laptop until the gtx 980 (non-m) is released. The one i'm getting has 8gb of vram on the 980.It also has a desktop i7 6700k in it.980 hasn't been the best card for 4k, at least not compared to the 980ti.But the laptop comes in a 1080p and a 4k variant. Without the limitations of 4gb vram. how do you guys and gals think the card will perform in 4k? Is the 4gb usually the bottleneck when i look at 4k benchmarks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 26, 2015 The VRAM isn't the major bottleneck for 4K with a GTX 980, so I wouldn't expect more than a few FPS improvement unless the game is very VRAM hungry. Main Rig: CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X | RAM: 32GB (2x16GB) KLEVV CRAS XR RGB DDR4-3600 | Motherboard: Gigabyte B550I AORUS PRO AX | Storage: 512GB SKHynix PC401, 1TB Samsung 970 EVO Plus, 2x Micron 1100 256GB SATA SSDs | GPU: EVGA RTX 3080 FTW3 Ultra 10GB | Cooling: ThermalTake Floe 280mm w/ be quiet! Pure Wings 3 | Case: Sliger SM580 (Black) | PSU: Lian Li SP 850W Server: CPU: AMD Ryzen 3 3100 | RAM: 32GB (2x16GB) Crucial DDR4 Pro | Motherboard: ASUS PRIME B550-PLUS AC-HES | Storage: 128GB Samsung PM961, 4TB Seagate IronWolf | GPU: AMD FirePro WX 3100 | Cooling: EK-AIO Elite 360 D-RGB | Case: Corsair 5000D Airflow (White) | PSU: Seasonic Focus GM-850 Miscellaneous: Dell Optiplex 7060 Micro (i5-8500T/16GB/512GB), Lenovo ThinkCentre M715q Tiny (R5 2400GE/16GB/256GB), Dell Optiplex 7040 SFF (i5-6400/8GB/128GB) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 26, 2015 well you wont be able to run ultra 4k with just one 980, so when you play games at medium-high the 4GB will definitely be enough NEW PC build: Blank Heaven minimalist white and black PC Old S340 build log "White Heaven" The "LIGHTCANON" flashlight build log Project AntiRoll (prototype) Custom speaker project Spoiler Ryzen 3950X | AMD Vega Frontier Edition | ASUS X570 Pro WS | Corsair Vengeance LPX 64GB | NZXT H500 | Seasonic Prime Fanless TX-700 | Custom loop | Coolermaster SK630 White | Logitech MX Master 2S | Samsung 980 Pro 1TB + 970 Pro 512GB | Samsung 58" 4k TV | Scarlett 2i4 | 2x AT2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 26, 2015 8 GB will help with 4K, but then it becomes like the 960 4 GB where it doesn't have the horsepower to use all 8 GB without SLI. Spoiler CPU: Intel Core i7 4790K @ 4.6 GHz Motherboard: Asus ROG Maximus VII Hero RAM: Corsair Vengeance 32 GB @ 1903 MHz GPU: Nvidia GeForce GTX Titan X @ 1100 / 7030 MHz Case: Corsair Obsidian 750D with the Ghetto LED 5000 lighting kit Storage: 1TB Samsung 840 EVO PSU: Corsair AX1200i Display: Dell P2415Q Cooling: Corsair H100i Keyboard: Corsair Vengeance K95 RGB (Cherry MX Reds) Mouse: Sharkk MMO Pro OS: Windows 10 Pro PCPP List: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ZvxhCJ Build log: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/399694-black-widow-20-build-log Spoiler Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 Gigabyte GA-G41MT-S2PT Arctic Freezer 7 Pro Rev 2 G.Skill Value 8 GB (1333 MHz) Cooler Master N200 Seagate Barracuda 1 TB Insignia 300W Windows 7 Enterprise Spoiler Intel Core i3 3240 Asus P8Z77-V LX 4790K stock cooler with Cooler Master HTK-002 thermal paste Corsair XMS3 4 GB (1333 MHz) Cooler Master HAF 912 Seagate Barracuda 1 TB Thermaltake TR2 430W Windows 10 Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 26, 2015 Performance would be abysmal by the time 4GB is utilized, let alone 8. Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow; Motherboard: MSI ZZ490 Gaming Edge; CPU: i7 10700K @ 5.1GHz; Cooler: Noctua NHD15S Chromax; RAM: Corsair LPX DDR4 32GB 3200MHz; Graphics Card: Asus RTX 3080 TUF; Power: EVGA SuperNova 750G2; Storage: 2 x Seagate Barracuda 1TB; Crucial M500 240GB & MX100 512GB; Keyboard: Logitech G710+; Mouse: Logitech G502; Headphones / Amp: HiFiMan Sundara / Mayflower Objective 2; Monitor: Asus VG27AQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 26, 2015 Author the 1080p version also has an IPS g-sync panel @75hz.But i've played on 4k screens before. and it just looks soooo good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 26, 2015 If R9 390 can use 8GB, then GTX 980 can! Spoiler || Asrock Z68 Extreme 3 Gen 3 || i5 3570 @3.5GHz || Zalman CNPS10X Optima || 8GB RAM HyperX Fury Blue @ 1600MHz || Thermaltake Berlin 630W || Zalman Z11 || Gainward Phantom GTX 970 || 120GB Kingston V300 (Gift) + 1TB WD Green Phone: Xiaomi Redmi Note 8 Tablet: iPad Mini 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 26, 2015 If R9 390 can use 8GB, then GTX 980 can! Problem is... it cant lol Current PC: Origin Millennium- i7 5820K @4.0GHz | GTX 980Ti SLI | X99 Deluxe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 26, 2015 If R9 390 can use 8GB, then GTX 980 can! Not really. . . no. A 390 has a 512-bit bus with 6 GHz memory A 980 has a 256-bit bus with 7 GHz memory One of the things is significantly lower than the other. Archangel (Desktop) CPU: i5 4590 GPU:Asus R9 280 3GB RAM:HyperX Beast 2x4GBPSU:SeaSonic S12G 750W Mobo:GA-H97m-HD3 Case:CM Silencio 650 Storage:1 TB WD RedCelestial (Laptop 1) CPU:i7 4720HQ GPU:GTX 860M 4GB RAM:2x4GB SK Hynix DDR3Storage: 250GB 850 EVO Model:Lenovo Y50-70Seraph (Laptop 2) CPU:i7 6700HQ GPU:GTX 970M 3GB RAM:2x8GB DDR4Storage: 256GB Samsung 951 + 1TB Toshiba HDD Model:Asus GL502VTWindows 10 is now MSX! - http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/440190-can-we-start-calling-windows-10/page-6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 26, 2015 If R9 390 can use 8GB, then GTX 980 can! The 390 can't use 8 GB of VRAM lol Spoiler CPU: Intel Core i7 4790K @ 4.6 GHz Motherboard: Asus ROG Maximus VII Hero RAM: Corsair Vengeance 32 GB @ 1903 MHz GPU: Nvidia GeForce GTX Titan X @ 1100 / 7030 MHz Case: Corsair Obsidian 750D with the Ghetto LED 5000 lighting kit Storage: 1TB Samsung 840 EVO PSU: Corsair AX1200i Display: Dell P2415Q Cooling: Corsair H100i Keyboard: Corsair Vengeance K95 RGB (Cherry MX Reds) Mouse: Sharkk MMO Pro OS: Windows 10 Pro PCPP List: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ZvxhCJ Build log: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/399694-black-widow-20-build-log Spoiler Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 Gigabyte GA-G41MT-S2PT Arctic Freezer 7 Pro Rev 2 G.Skill Value 8 GB (1333 MHz) Cooler Master N200 Seagate Barracuda 1 TB Insignia 300W Windows 7 Enterprise Spoiler Intel Core i3 3240 Asus P8Z77-V LX 4790K stock cooler with Cooler Master HTK-002 thermal paste Corsair XMS3 4 GB (1333 MHz) Cooler Master HAF 912 Seagate Barracuda 1 TB Thermaltake TR2 430W Windows 10 Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 26, 2015 The 390 can't use 8 GB of VRAM lol it sort of can - it's memory bandwidth is close to double that of the 980 Maybe not all but a good 7 are fully usable by a single card Archangel (Desktop) CPU: i5 4590 GPU:Asus R9 280 3GB RAM:HyperX Beast 2x4GBPSU:SeaSonic S12G 750W Mobo:GA-H97m-HD3 Case:CM Silencio 650 Storage:1 TB WD RedCelestial (Laptop 1) CPU:i7 4720HQ GPU:GTX 860M 4GB RAM:2x4GB SK Hynix DDR3Storage: 250GB 850 EVO Model:Lenovo Y50-70Seraph (Laptop 2) CPU:i7 6700HQ GPU:GTX 970M 3GB RAM:2x8GB DDR4Storage: 256GB Samsung 951 + 1TB Toshiba HDD Model:Asus GL502VTWindows 10 is now MSX! - http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/440190-can-we-start-calling-windows-10/page-6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 26, 2015 the 1080p version also has an IPS g-sync panel @75hz. But i've played on 4k screens before. and it just looks soooo good. Really? I've not noticed a difference. If anything - it made me dizzy. Archangel (Desktop) CPU: i5 4590 GPU:Asus R9 280 3GB RAM:HyperX Beast 2x4GBPSU:SeaSonic S12G 750W Mobo:GA-H97m-HD3 Case:CM Silencio 650 Storage:1 TB WD RedCelestial (Laptop 1) CPU:i7 4720HQ GPU:GTX 860M 4GB RAM:2x4GB SK Hynix DDR3Storage: 250GB 850 EVO Model:Lenovo Y50-70Seraph (Laptop 2) CPU:i7 6700HQ GPU:GTX 970M 3GB RAM:2x8GB DDR4Storage: 256GB Samsung 951 + 1TB Toshiba HDD Model:Asus GL502VTWindows 10 is now MSX! - http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/440190-can-we-start-calling-windows-10/page-6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 26, 2015 The 390 can't use 8 GB of VRAM lol It can, but it needs to be a game that uses Vram more than GPU processing, in CFX you will use all of it. REDLINECore i7 6700k 4.8ghz 1.37v.Noctua NH-u12s.MSI Z170A Gaming M7.16GB Kingston Hyper X Fury Black.MSI Gaming R9 390 8GB Crossfire + GTX 780 PhysX.Samsung EVO 850 500GB SSD.Fractal Design Define R5 Midi Black.SeaSonic X Series 1050w Gold.Logitech G302 Deadalus Prime.Ducky DK2108 Zero Mech Cherry Blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 26, 2015 It can, but it needs to be a game that uses Vram more than GPU processing, in CFX you will use all of it. True, I suppose you could use all of it with texture packs in some games. Spoiler CPU: Intel Core i7 4790K @ 4.6 GHz Motherboard: Asus ROG Maximus VII Hero RAM: Corsair Vengeance 32 GB @ 1903 MHz GPU: Nvidia GeForce GTX Titan X @ 1100 / 7030 MHz Case: Corsair Obsidian 750D with the Ghetto LED 5000 lighting kit Storage: 1TB Samsung 840 EVO PSU: Corsair AX1200i Display: Dell P2415Q Cooling: Corsair H100i Keyboard: Corsair Vengeance K95 RGB (Cherry MX Reds) Mouse: Sharkk MMO Pro OS: Windows 10 Pro PCPP List: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ZvxhCJ Build log: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/399694-black-widow-20-build-log Spoiler Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 Gigabyte GA-G41MT-S2PT Arctic Freezer 7 Pro Rev 2 G.Skill Value 8 GB (1333 MHz) Cooler Master N200 Seagate Barracuda 1 TB Insignia 300W Windows 7 Enterprise Spoiler Intel Core i3 3240 Asus P8Z77-V LX 4790K stock cooler with Cooler Master HTK-002 thermal paste Corsair XMS3 4 GB (1333 MHz) Cooler Master HAF 912 Seagate Barracuda 1 TB Thermaltake TR2 430W Windows 10 Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 26, 2015 Not really. . . no. A 390 has a 512-bit bus with 6 GHz memory A 980 has a 256-bit bus with 7 GHz memory One of the things is significantly lower than the other. Different architectures. Spoiler || Asrock Z68 Extreme 3 Gen 3 || i5 3570 @3.5GHz || Zalman CNPS10X Optima || 8GB RAM HyperX Fury Blue @ 1600MHz || Thermaltake Berlin 630W || Zalman Z11 || Gainward Phantom GTX 970 || 120GB Kingston V300 (Gift) + 1TB WD Green Phone: Xiaomi Redmi Note 8 Tablet: iPad Mini 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 26, 2015 Different architectures. That doesn't change the facts - the 980 was built with 256-bit for 4GB of VRAM in mind - nothing more, nothing less. It already sees a sizable decrease in performance when it gets to the last bit of memory (not as extreme as the 970 but it drops a bit). 8GB on a 980 is like 16GB on a 390X or 4GB on a 750 Ti (it exists) - pointless Archangel (Desktop) CPU: i5 4590 GPU:Asus R9 280 3GB RAM:HyperX Beast 2x4GBPSU:SeaSonic S12G 750W Mobo:GA-H97m-HD3 Case:CM Silencio 650 Storage:1 TB WD RedCelestial (Laptop 1) CPU:i7 4720HQ GPU:GTX 860M 4GB RAM:2x4GB SK Hynix DDR3Storage: 250GB 850 EVO Model:Lenovo Y50-70Seraph (Laptop 2) CPU:i7 6700HQ GPU:GTX 970M 3GB RAM:2x8GB DDR4Storage: 256GB Samsung 951 + 1TB Toshiba HDD Model:Asus GL502VTWindows 10 is now MSX! - http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/440190-can-we-start-calling-windows-10/page-6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 26, 2015 The limiting factor is not vram, is the GPU. And it's like the 980 is not enough, a single 980 ti is not enough. If you want 4K, i'd recomend getting the 980 SLI laptop (I think it's MSI) or play at 1080p, to be honest, 4k seems a bit overkill for a laptop, can you get a 1440p option? System CPU I7-4790K @ 4,7GHz Motherboard Asus MAXIMUS Formula VI RAM Kingston HyperX FURY 16GB Kit (2x8GB) 1866MHz GPU MSI GTX 1070 Gaming X Case Cooler Master Cosmos SE Storage Samsung 840 EVO 500GB+WD Green 3TB PSU EVGA SuperNOVA 850G2 80PLUS Gold Certified Display(s) ASUS PB277Q 27" WQHD 2560x1440 75Hz 1ms Cooling Corsair H105 with AP121s and Phanteks fans Keyboard Logitech G610 Orion Mouse E-3lue E-Blue Mazer II 2500 DPI Blue LED 2.4GHz Wireless Optical Gaming Mouse Sound Audio-Technica ATH-M20x Operating System Windows 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 26, 2015 it sort of can - it's memory bandwidth is close to double that of the 980 Maybe not all but a good 7 are fully usable by a single card Memory bandwidth on maxwell works differently because of how it compresses things. Linus has a video explaining it. Stuff: i7 7700k @ (dat nibba succ) | ASRock Z170M OC Formula | G.Skill TridentZ 3600 c16 | EKWB 1080 @ 2100 mhz | Acer X34 Predator | R4 | EVGA 1000 P2 | 1080mm Radiator Custom Loop | HD800 + Audio-GD NFB-11 | 850 Evo 1TB | 840 Pro 256GB | 3TB WD Blue | 2TB Barracuda Hwbot: http://hwbot.org/user/lays/ FireStrike 980 ti @ 1800 Mhz http://hwbot.org/submission/3183338 http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/11574089 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 26, 2015 Memory bandwidth on maxwell works differently because of how it compresses things. Linus has a video explaining it. Surprise - GCN 1.2 and to an extent 1.1 also have compression! Shocking, I know. Archangel (Desktop) CPU: i5 4590 GPU:Asus R9 280 3GB RAM:HyperX Beast 2x4GBPSU:SeaSonic S12G 750W Mobo:GA-H97m-HD3 Case:CM Silencio 650 Storage:1 TB WD RedCelestial (Laptop 1) CPU:i7 4720HQ GPU:GTX 860M 4GB RAM:2x4GB SK Hynix DDR3Storage: 250GB 850 EVO Model:Lenovo Y50-70Seraph (Laptop 2) CPU:i7 6700HQ GPU:GTX 970M 3GB RAM:2x8GB DDR4Storage: 256GB Samsung 951 + 1TB Toshiba HDD Model:Asus GL502VTWindows 10 is now MSX! - http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/440190-can-we-start-calling-windows-10/page-6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 26, 2015 Author The limiting factor is not vram, is the GPU. And it's like the 980 is not enough, a single 980 ti is not enough. If you want 4K, i'd recomend getting the 980 SLI laptop (I think it's MSI) or play at 1080p, to be honest, 4k seems a bit overkill for a laptop, can you get a 1440p option? nah only 1080p and 4k version. Really? I've not noticed a difference. If anything - it made me dizzy. higher resolutions make you dizzy ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 26, 2015 nah only 1080p and 4k version. higher resolutions make you dizzy ? The simple truth is a 980 is not nearly enough for gaming in a 4K display. 980s on SLI would do it, but if you don't have that option, don't go for 4k, a single 980 will be overpowered and you won't get a playable experience. I would get a 1080p with a 980 with 4 gigs of vram (More is simply waste) or a 4K with dual 980s and maybe 8 gigs each, but for 4K you need dual GPUs, we're not quiet there yet. System CPU I7-4790K @ 4,7GHz Motherboard Asus MAXIMUS Formula VI RAM Kingston HyperX FURY 16GB Kit (2x8GB) 1866MHz GPU MSI GTX 1070 Gaming X Case Cooler Master Cosmos SE Storage Samsung 840 EVO 500GB+WD Green 3TB PSU EVGA SuperNOVA 850G2 80PLUS Gold Certified Display(s) ASUS PB277Q 27" WQHD 2560x1440 75Hz 1ms Cooling Corsair H105 with AP121s and Phanteks fans Keyboard Logitech G610 Orion Mouse E-3lue E-Blue Mazer II 2500 DPI Blue LED 2.4GHz Wireless Optical Gaming Mouse Sound Audio-Technica ATH-M20x Operating System Windows 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 26, 2015 nah only 1080p and 4k version. higher resolutions make you dizzy ? Yep - no idea why but anything above 1080p makes me feel dizzy - not sure if it was the screen or the game in particular but it felt wrong. Archangel (Desktop) CPU: i5 4590 GPU:Asus R9 280 3GB RAM:HyperX Beast 2x4GBPSU:SeaSonic S12G 750W Mobo:GA-H97m-HD3 Case:CM Silencio 650 Storage:1 TB WD RedCelestial (Laptop 1) CPU:i7 4720HQ GPU:GTX 860M 4GB RAM:2x4GB SK Hynix DDR3Storage: 250GB 850 EVO Model:Lenovo Y50-70Seraph (Laptop 2) CPU:i7 6700HQ GPU:GTX 970M 3GB RAM:2x8GB DDR4Storage: 256GB Samsung 951 + 1TB Toshiba HDD Model:Asus GL502VTWindows 10 is now MSX! - http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/440190-can-we-start-calling-windows-10/page-6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted September 26, 2015 Is the 4gb usually the bottleneck when i look at 4k benchmarks? Most likely not. You may be able to invent an extreme scenario where you are running Skyrim at 4K with as many graphics mods as you can find and you'd really run up the VRAM usage, but even then I'd imagine GPU throughput is still more likely to be the earliest bottleneck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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