Athlon vs i3

[i_build_nanosuits]

That benchmark is way off on 860K which makes me think rest is probably BS...

 

performance depend on settings used to benchmark, you cant call something irrelevant because other source show other results because they are not testing in the same conditions with the same settings.

Benchmarks results can not be compared from one source to another like that to discredit.

 

What i can tell you for sure after watching MANY of these gaming videos and benchmarks, what this aggregates to is that the core i3 haswell CPU is a much faster and much better CPU for video games, that's it...that's all there is to say, that's all there is to know.

[Nena Trinity]

performance depend on settings used to benchmark, you cant call something irrelevant because other source show other results because they are not testing in the same conditions with the same settings.

Benchmarks results can not be compared from one source to another like that to discredit.

 

What i can tell you for sure after watching MANY of these gaming videos and benchmarks, what this aggregates to is that the core i3 haswell CPU is a much faster and much better CPU for video games, that's it...that's all there is to say, that's all there is to know.

Not saying it is better than i3 there is a reason its half the price ya know!

[-iSynthesis]

Just FYI the Athlon doesn't have 4 cores, but 2 modules 4 ALU-AMD hasn't made a true quad core CPU since the Phenom II. And then that even had a true hex core model-which to this day is better than all of AMD's newer CPU multithreaded except the FX 8350-clock for clock Phenom II are still the better CPU when only comparing a single thread.

As far as i know the athlon isn't based on the Bulldozer/piledriver architecture. The IPC of the athlons is better than the FX series and it is a true quad core. 

 

@OP i3 all the way. The Athlon isn't a bad CPU but the i3 has a lot better Single threaded performance and has 4 threads aswell, the i3 should still be better than the athlon even in multi threaded applications. 

[i_build_nanosuits]

Not saying it is better than i3 there is a reason its half the price ya know!

my main point there is that you can't grab a youtube video or something and compare it with another reputable source on the internet to discredit their work because the average FPS is not the same on both sides...they use different settings, different hardware, different drivers for everything and they can even use not the same version of the game...games gets patched, new drivers release every months...for benchmarking testing to be relevant and be directly comparable they need to have been done in the same exact conditions with ''as similar as possible'' hardware...you know.

[Nena Trinity]

my main point there is that you can't grab a youtube video or something and compare it with another reputable source on the internet to discredit their work because the average FPS is not the same on both sides...they use different settings, different hardware, different drivers for everything and they can even use not the same version of the game...games gets patched, new drivers release every months...for benchmarking testing to be relevant and be directly comparable they need to have been done in the same exact conditions with ''as similar as possible'' hardware...you know.

Well one of them was simply outdated then, which is probably the benchmark!

[Hieb]

Now before amd cpu haters come be like OMG AMD,im aware but,Its still 4 cores compared to pentium,but hyperthreaded pentium will be awesome...

Why the 2 extra amd cores matter? Cos of GTA 5.. minimum fps is v impt imho.

And idw dipping... so pentium is rly not an option now...

But i3 is hyperthreaded n stuff.. lets say 3.7ghz i3 vs athlon(latest for both cpu)

And the athlon is overclocked. Would it do well against i3/beat it?

Athlon is definitely cheaper unless the Mobos to oc it isnt..

So i needa know more info on pricing also for mobos for i3 and athlon.

Thanks alot babes

 

Just to clear the air on a couple things:

 

1) Core is a very ambiguous term, especially in recent years since AMD's Bulldozer family of architectures... afaik there's no strict requirement or classification for a core, it's just the accepted term for the 'pipeline' in a CPU to execute instructions for a thread.

 

2) Hyper-threading effectively makes the core two cores. Obviously it doesn't double its processing power, however it allows the core to complete instructions from two threads within a single clock cycle... meaning that an i3 can in fact simultaneously process 4 things, just like an Athlon can.

 

The i3 will outperform the Athlon in almost every game out there... games aren't a perfectly parallel workload, and if they were the i3 and Athlon would perform pretty close to each other, I'd think. Games are a mixed multi-threaded, bursty workload... the load isn't consistent across all the threads, and it's not a seamless stream of tasks, it's a bunch of tasks spread out where performance is dependent on how quickly they are completed. This is why single-threaded performance continues to make such a big impact even though most games released over the past few years can use four threads or more.

[Manny Calavera]

This is why I didn't trust APUs, there are a lot here in my country.

 

It's perfect for Internet Cafes and casual MOBAs and RPGs(non-demanding).

 

But for a Gaming/Workstation system, the APUs is out of the question.

true, gtx 750 destorys it, and i dont even consider it gaming gpu

[Dabombinable]

As far as i know the athlon isn't based on the Bulldozer/piledriver architecture. The IPC of the athlons is better than the FX series and it is a true quad core. 

 

@OP i3 all the way. The Athlon isn't a bad CPU but the i3 has a lot better Single threaded performance and has 4 threads aswell, the i3 should still be better than the athlon even in multi threaded applications. 

Its architecture is Steamroller-which is what the FX 9370 and 9590 should hbave had to even begin to justify their launch price. Steamroller is just AMD's best CMT architecture-which still blows compared to K10.

[applesuxD]

if you disable one ALU cluster per module, it acts as a quad core, 20% single core perf boost or so

ontopic, i dont know if dx12 will make althlon better with multithread draw call, i do know even 6300 will rek it multithread, let alone 8320.

For gta 5: intel + nvidia, period. I recommend i3 4170 and 950

thanks babe

which site was it from

[Manny Calavera]

thanks babe

which site was it from

Pclab.pl

[applesuxD]

Pclab.pl

happen to have a 280x one? or any equivalent

[Manny Calavera]

happen to have a 280x one? or any equivalent

no, but 380x maybe coming out soon.... xfx with new cooler chinese site leak

[applesuxD]

no, but 380x maybe coming out soon.... xfx with new cooler chinese site leak

does gta scale better on nvidia?

[Manny Calavera]

does gta scale better on nvidia?

i think so, but let me check latest benches right now

[typographie]

I need benchmarks bro,cos ill be forced to get biostar mobos.. which idk man :'(

 

Benchmarks of this specific thing are kind of hard to find. I will never understand why so many sites stick to average framerates for CPU benchmarks, while ignoring minimum/frame time latency/99th percentile framerate data where CPU differences are usually more pronounced. If you just go by what can get you to 60 FPS average in GTA V, well, nearly anything will.

 

What we know based on other games that have been tested in this way is that Haswell Core i3's usually reach a very high tier of performance. The Athlon II's sometimes do, depending on the game. If I had to take a guess about GTA V, the i3 is a safer bet.

[applesuxD]

OP doesn't want to stream. And in minimum frames the 860K gets beaten by the i3 easily

but this is rly on max settings, my gpu to pair with will be a 280x..

so benchmarks for lower settigs or 0 MSAA will do.. I think msaa is rly dropping frames

[Castdeath97]

but this is rly on max settings, my gpu to pair with will be a 280x..

so benchmarks for lower settigs or 0 MSAA will do.. I think msaa is rly dropping frames

It is, but I don't think MSAA does affect the CPU, it's think like population density you have to pay attention to.

[Prysin]

http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1497?vs=1192

 

here you go OP....

 

Slightly OCd 860k (cuz the 7870k has more game benchmarks) vs stock Core i3 4330

[applesuxD]

http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1497?vs=1192

here you go OP....

Slightly OCd 860k (cuz the 7870k has more game benchmarks) vs stock Core i3 4330

I srsly didnt know anandtech had this thing.. nice..

Thanks man!! )

[Prysin]

I srsly didnt know anandtech had this thing.. nice..

Thanks man!! )

they do, you can compare a lot of stuff....

 

mind you, the parts with a price behind them (atleast for CPUs) are the ones that has been tested the most and thus have more points of comparison....

[Prysin]

in all honesty though... if it comes to gaming at low end...

 

If you plan to upgrade soon or like in a year - go with i3

If you have no plans of upgrading anytime soon, FX 6350 would be a better choice then the Athlon, and it would perform close to the i3 (especially if you OC it a little.)

[applesuxD]

in all honesty though... if it comes to gaming at low end...

If you plan to upgrade soon or like in a year - go with i3

If you have no plans of upgrading anytime soon, FX 6350 would be a better choice then the Athlon, and it would perform close to the i3 (especially if you OC it a little.)

Its ironic cos i compared i3 to i5 and the diff is none 0.0

[Prysin]

Its ironic cos i compared i3 to i5 and the diff is none 0.0

there is some, but often, a higher end i3 will be pretty close to a locked lower end i5....

However in games that DO use 4 cores, not just 2, the i5 will pull ahead.

[applesuxD]

there is some, but often, a higher end i3 will be pretty close to a locked lower end i5....

However in games that DO use 4 cores, not just 2, the i5 will pull ahead.

By how much.. specifically by numbers will help.. gta5 example apparently have same avg.. but no minimum fps.. sigh*

[Prysin]

By how much.. specifically by numbers will help.. gta5 example apparently have same avg.. but no minimum fps.. sigh*

GTA 5 may be a poor example... but in general, there is quite the contrast... check this video for how Pentium vs i3 vs i5 fares... also it has FX 6300 in there tooo....

 

 

 

EDIT: make sure to watch the whole thing... the most notable part is in Novigrad (the huge city) as it has shitloads of NPCs