So regular Fury's in CF beats 980 Ti's in SLI, eh? O.o

[Praesi]

A single 980Ti is enough for 4K.

 

Please tell me the difference between this:

 

 

And this:

 

 

 

Also 4K just sucks at the moment, 60hz is for peasants 

4K is far too much Performance loss. 1440p is perfect for me. Most People use 1080p and below. 0,06% of the Steamusers have a 4K Display. That´s nothing. 4K isn´t a Topic in the real World atm.

[Praesi]

And if you re-read what I wrote earlier, you'd see that I also said the average doesn't matter if it's above the display refresh rate. It's one of the first things I mentioned. I'm not arguing against you on that. 

 

What I'm saying about the minimum is that it needs to be taken into context with the average. We need to see graph showing frame rate over time to see the real full picture. 

 

The minimum frame rate value, alone, is not enough information to draw a proper conclusion. 

 

As for the video, I don't know why you posted single GPU comparison when we're talking specifically about multi-GPU performance characteristics. What you posted is irrelevant. Here's an actual multi-GPU comparison where they looked at observed frame rate over time and frame time pacing. At 4:25 is where he talks about the frame pacing. To quote, "...in more than half of the instances, the Fury X crossfire had more consistent frame timing than the 980ti SLI config..." 

 

 

So yeah, I stand behind my claim that AMD's crossfire is just as smooth or smoother than Nvidia's SLI. I fully acknowledge that it wasn't always this way, but I have been paying close attention to this over the last year or so, and AMD have actually made great strides in improving their crossfire performance. 

It doesnt matter who perform better in SLI. That´s for enthusiats only.

90% of all Gaming PC´s have 1 Card or onboard Graphics. 22% of Steamusers have intel hd4400 and only 13,5% a Highend Card. SLI Benchmarks are fun to watch, but have no meaning whatsoever. AMD will never get even with NVidia because of better CF Scores.

The best would be a markedshare of 50%50. Both Companys would have to make great products and good prices. But thats a long way....

[Enderman]

And if you re-read what I wrote earlier, you'd see that I also said the average doesn't matter if it's above the display refresh rate. It's one of the first things I mentioned. I'm not arguing against you on that. 

 

What I'm saying about the minimum is that it needs to be taken into context with the average. We need to see graph showing frame rate over time to see the real full picture. 

 

The minimum frame rate value, alone, is not enough information to draw a proper conclusion. 

 

As for the video, I don't know why you posted single GPU comparison when we're talking specifically about multi-GPU performance characteristics. What you posted is irrelevant. Here's an actual multi-GPU comparison where they looked at observed frame rate over time and frame time pacing. At 4:25 is where he talks about the frame pacing. To quote, "...in more than half of the instances, the Fury X crossfire had more consistent frame timing than the 980ti SLI config..." 

 

So yeah, I stand behind my claim that AMD's crossfire is just as smooth or smoother than Nvidia's SLI. I fully acknowledge that it wasn't always this way, but I have been paying close attention to this over the last year or so, and AMD have actually made great strides in improving their crossfire performance. 

idk if youve watched that video, because the frame time graphs certainly show that the nvidia GPUs in SLI are more consistent...

you can clearly see how AMD cards are spiking with way more variation

[MEC-777]

It doesnt matter who perform better in SLI. That´s for enthusiats only.

90% of all Gaming PC´s have 1 Card or onboard Graphics. 22% of Steamusers have intel hd4400 and only 13,5% a Highend Card. SLI Benchmarks are fun to watch, but have no meaning whatsoever. AMD will never get even with NVidia because of better CF Scores.

The best would be a markedshare of 50%50. Both Companys would have to make great products and good prices. But thats a long way....

 

I understand all that. However, the topic of this thread, and what @Enderman and I were discussing, specifically, is SLI vs crossfire. I never claimed AMD will gain back market share with improved crossfire performance or anything of the sort. I suggest you go back over the last page or two and re-read the conversation so you can see what we were talking about.

 

And it does matter - for those who choose to run multi-GPU setups.

 

idk if youve watched that video, because the frame time graphs certainly show that the nvidia GPUs in SLI are more consistent...

 

-snip-

 

you can clearly see how AMD cards are spiking with way more variation

 

That's one game, one example - and a specific game that is known to not run well with crossfire. There are other games out there that run better in CF but not in SLI as well. But nice cherry picking.  Did you also not hear Ryan say what I quoted? Go back and re-watch the video. Note the Bioshock Infinite graph and the Metro Last Light frame time variance graph. Also, listen to what he says around the 4:30 mark. 

[TheConverter]

The bottom one is running at a proper framerate, while the top one is nice and low. 

 

Nope bottom one is SSAO, Shadows on Medium and Foliage on Medium

[TheConverter]

I understand all that. However, the topic of this thread, and what @Enderman and I were discussing, specifically, is SLI vs crossfire. I never claimed AMD will gain back market share with improved crossfire performance or anything of the sort. I suggest you go back over the last page or two and re-read the conversation so you can see what we were talking about.

 

And it does matter - for those who choose to run multi-GPU setups.

 

 

That's one game, one example - and a specific game that is known to not run well with crossfire. There are other games out there that run better in CF but not in SLI as well. But nice cherry picking.  Did you also not hear Ryan say what I quoted? Go back and re-watch the video. Note the Bioshock Infinite graph and the Metro Last Light frame time variance graph. Also, listen to what he says around the 4:30 mark. 

 

But CF/SLI doesn't matter, a single 980Ti is good for everything.

[MEC-777]

But CF/SLI doesn't matter, a single 980Ti is good for everything.

 

Even if that's the case (which I don't believe it is), that's not the point of what we're discussing. 

 

Saying it's "good for everything" implies just that - everything. I don't think a single 980Ti could handle 4k surround. It can't even handle a single 4k display at max settings in some games. For those few of us that want that extra performance, multi-GPU is currently the only solution available. Hopefully that will change in the next generation of cards next year.

[TheConverter]

Even if that's the case (which I don't believe it is), that's not the point of what we're discussing. 

 

Saying it's "good for everything" implies just that - everything. I don't think a single 980Ti could handle 4k surround. It can't even handle a single 4k display at max settings in some games. For those few of us that want that extra performance, multi-GPU is currently the only solution available. Hopefully that will change in the next generation of cards next year.

 

No it will not.

 

The next generation of cards is made for 8K gaming

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

No it will not.

 

The next generation of cards is made for 8K gaming

 

Oh but I thought you said the 980 ti is great good for everything? 

[KarateHottie93]

Wow lol...didn't expect this thread to create so much heat. Interesting opinions and reasoning behind both sides. I still want a pair of HOF 980 Ti's one day. Honestly, nothing has really convinced me that it's a more viable setup than two regular Fury's though. At least not for $200 more. Then again, some may wonder what's wrong with $1300 when you're already spending $1100. I'd expect it to win in every game though instead of just trade blows with it in almost every set of benchmarks I've seen.

[MEC-777]

No it will not.

 

The next generation of cards is made for 8K gaming

 

No they aren't. 4k is still very far from mainstream. 1440p isn't even the norm yet either (but it's getting there). Majority are still sitting on 1080p. The high-end cards will still be targeting for 4k single card performance. We're not quite there yet. 8k is a LONG way off. 

[TheConverter]

Oh but I thought you said the 980 ti is great good for everything? 

 

It is good for everything out there now. Since 980Ti can't connect to a 8K display.

 

So don't try to troll me, you will fail.

[MEC-777]

It is good for everything out there now. Since 980Ti can't connect to a 8K display.

 

So don't try to troll me, you will fail.

 

Can a 980ti max every game and maintain 60fps minimum at 4k? I think not. That's where multi-GPU muscle is [still] required. Until single GPU's get powerful enough, that will remain the only solution for those that want "the best" performance at 4k and have the coin for it. 

[TheConverter]

Can a 980ti max every game and maintain 60fps minimum at 4k? I think not. That's where multi-GPU muscle is [still] required. Until single GPU's get powerful enough, that will remain the only solution for those that want "the best" performance at 4k and have the coin for it. 

Yes it can look at my screenshots above. 

[MEC-777]

Yes it can look at my screenshots above. 

 

I don't believe you are running The Witcher 3 at 4k max settings with 60fps minimum and no, it cannot max most games at 4k and stay above 60fps. 

 

http://www.maximumpc.com/nvidia-gtx-980-ti-2-way-sli-crushing-performance/ Take a look at the chart of average frame rates. The average across all 8 tests was 37.4fps with a single 980ti. 

 

Like I said, single card 4k gaming is here, but they aren't yet powerful enough to maintain even 60fps average in most games. 

[TheConverter]

I don't believe you are running The Witcher 3 at 4k max settings with 60fps minimum and no, it cannot max most games at 4k and stay above 60fps. 

 

http://www.maximumpc.com/nvidia-gtx-980-ti-2-way-sli-crushing-performance/ Take a look at the chart of average frame rates. The average across all 8 tests was 37.4fps with a single 980ti. 

 

Like I said, single card 4k gaming is here, but they aren't yet powerful enough to maintain even 60fps average in most games. 

 

Do you see a difference between those two screenshots?

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

It is good for everything out there now. Since 980Ti can't connect to a 8K display.

 

So don't try to troll me, you will fail.

 

Yes it can look at my screenshots above. 

 

Run heavily modded skyrim at 4K 60fps for me will ya? Come on, it'll be good at it

[MEC-777]

Do you see a difference between those two screenshots?

 

The screenshots you posted a couple pages back? Yes. 

[TheConverter]

Run heavily modded skyrim at 4K 60fps for me will ya? Come on, it'll be good at it

 

No you first on your 390X, lmao goodluck.

[TheConverter]

The screenshots you posted a couple pages back? Yes. 

 

What's the difference then?

[KarateHottie93]

What's the difference then?

The single card one is obviously slower or not on max settings.

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

No you first on your 390X, lmao goodluck.

 

Why do I need to? My peasant "390x" won't ever run as good as the 980 Ti. Show me Mr Converter, the grace of 4K 60fps on modded Skyrim on your 980 Ti. The 980 Ti you announced to be as good as the Lightning or KPE. Oh no wait, we can't have it running 60fps, we need 70fps.

 

Because 60 is for "peasants" is it not?    

[TheConverter]

Why do I need to? My peasant "390x" won't ever run as good as the 980 Ti. Show me Mr Converter, the grace of 4K 60fps on modded Skyrim on your 980 Ti. The 980 Ti you announced to be as good as the Lightning or KPE. Oh no wait, we can't have it running 60fps, we need 70fps.

 

Because 60 is for "peasants" is it not?    

 

I ain't the one circlejerking that 40-45FPS in Witcher is unplayable or that the "PCMR" should only play at 60FPS ULTRA settings 8X MSAA.

My opinion still remains that 4K is shit and overhyped after using everything from the Acer Predator XB280HK (4K TN G-SYNC) to the BenQ BL3201PT (4K IPS 32 inch)

 

Moarrrr pixellllzz1111!!! No thanks.

[KarateHottie93]

I ain't the one circlejerking that 40-45FPS in Witcher is unplayable, that the "PCMR" should only play at 60FPS ULTRA settings 8X MSAA

Hell, I personally consider 13 FPS playable. It trains my eyes to see real life in slow motion.

[TheConverter]

Hell, I personally consider 13 FPS playable. It trains my eyes to see real life in slow motion.

 

And I can't understand how people play Battlefield, CS:GO, COD or even things like Fallout 3 First Person View at 60FPS and say it's "smooth"