Gaming/Light Editing CPU choice

[Morgan MLGman]

@Zoomv , I have an AMD FX-8350 @4,5gHz daily usage, and a MSI GTX970 Gaming 100ME Edition.

I did not notice any bottlenecks from the CPU in terms of gaming, played many games, The Witcher 3, AC:Unity, Shadow of Mordor, Dragon Age Inquisition, Tomb Raider.
Everywhere the GTX970 is maxed out and overclocking it gives me a few more FPS so it's the GTX970 bottlenecking the PC. And these are all DirectX11 games, few months and the DX12 should be the mainstream.

Ashes of Singularity is one of the first games that has been tested for DX12 and the in-game benchmarks are pretty exciting for the 8cores from AMD. "Oxide developers told me their internal testing with the Ashes of the Singularity benchmark showed 8-core AMD CPUs giving even the high-end Core i7-4770K a tough time."

You see it's cheap and it performs well enough to game, and has a lot of uses outside of gaming like streaming/rendering.

BUT there's basically 0 upgrade path after it cause getting a FX-9xxx series is retarded.
Also getting the Z77 isn't the best idea in terms of upgrades, get an Intel that is under Z97 chipset that allows getting the 4790k someday, or get the AMD.

NOTE: Remember to get a 8+2 cpu phase power on your motherboard to allow stable overclocks, like on mine Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3, it's not a good mobo, but overclocks relatively well thanks to that.
 

[othertomperson]

yeah you're definitely right lga 1155 is dead and am3+ is dead but that doesn't mean that they're both bad...

 

Exactly. There are lots of reasons for not choosing one CPU or another, and the socket it's on should be one of them imo.

 

 

I did not notice any bottlenecks from the CPU in terms of gaming, played many games, The Witcher 3, AC:Unity, Shadow of Mordor, Dragon Age Inquisition, Tomb Raider.

 

I haven't played AC:U or DA:I but the others you name are heavily GPU-dependant and barely touch my ageing CPU. Good multithreaded performance in those specific games might be a factor for both of us too.

[i_build_nanosuits]

I haven't played AC:U or DA:I but the others you name are heavily GPU-dependant and barely touch my ageing CPU. Good multithreaded performance in those specific games might be a factor for both of us too.

Correct, there are a lot of games in which you'd find the FX being way too slow for your GTX970 @Morgan MLGman

Your test suite is not reprensentative of the overall gaming performance of the AMD FX-83XX processors.

Also the screen resolution and settings you used make a big difference in GPU load...if you run 1920x1200@16xMSAA for example yes this can be very GPU demanding and in well optimised titles you will maxout the 970...but you won't get very high framerates either..

Try Hitman:Absolution, GTA 5 or Dying light for example..or ANY other games that put some kind of stress on your CPU and you'll see.

I have over 150 modern AAA titles in my steam account, all sorts of games...some well optimised, some not so much...i've played many of them on the FX-8320 with a strong overclock paired with my GTX780 during the 3 months i owned the AM3+, so I have a VERY good idea of how the FX processor perform in games as opposed to a strong quad-core from intel.

While i do agree that ''it's cheap and it performs well enough to game'' but that does not mean it's the most cost effective solution for gaming, especially once you've factored this '' 8+2 cpu phase power on your motherboard to allow stable overclocks'' and proper CPU cooling for this dinausor of a chip.

A strong quad-core processor such as the i5-3570K will always perform better than a weak 8 core processor when it comes to gaming, even under DX12.

[Zoomv]

@Zoomv , I have an AMD FX-8350 @4,5gHz daily usage, and a MSI GTX970 Gaming 100ME Edition.

I did not notice any bottlenecks from the CPU in terms of gaming, played many games, The Witcher 3, AC:Unity, Shadow of Mordor, Dragon Age Inquisition, Tomb Raider.

Everywhere the GTX970 is maxed out and overclocking it gives me a few more FPS so it's the GTX970 bottlenecking the PC. And these are all DirectX11 games, few months and the DX12 should be the mainstream.

Ashes of Singularity is one of the first games that has been tested for DX12 and the in-game benchmarks are pretty exciting for the 8cores from AMD. "Oxide developers told me their internal testing with the Ashes of the Singularity benchmark showed 8-core AMD CPUs giving even the high-end Core i7-4770K a tough time."

You see it's cheap and it performs well enough to game, and has a lot of uses outside of gaming like streaming/rendering.

BUT there's basically 0 upgrade path after it cause getting a FX-9xxx series is retarded.

Also getting the Z77 isn't the best idea in terms of upgrades, get an Intel that is under Z97 chipset that allows getting the 4790k someday, or get the AMD.

NOTE: Remember to get a 8+2 cpu phase power on your motherboard to allow stable overclocks, like on mine Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3, it's not a good mobo, but overclocks relatively well thanks to that.

 

 

no i am not going to upgrade... next year i am going to buy a new one with zen or with skylake or cannonlake... not sure yet...

my graphics card is going to be a r9 280x or a 780... the gigabyte 990fxa-ud7 is the best of the best for 990fx and oc...

Well like i said i would have already chosen the i5 if the motherboard wasn't so crappy and built on the z75 chipset (it is z77).

I could easily get the 8350 4.7/4.8... so yeah i don't know because everybody says something different about the 8350...

Some people say that it is great and that it doesn't bottleneck their 980sli while other say it bottlenecks their 290 so...

[i_build_nanosuits]

no i am not going to upgrade... next year i am going to buy a new one with zen or with skylake or cannonlake... not sure yet...

my graphics card is going to be a r9 280x or a 780... the gigabyte 990fxa-ud7 is the best of the best for 990fx and oc...

Well like i said i would have already chosen the i5 if the motherboard wasn't so crappy and built on the z75 chipset (it is z77).

I could easily get the 8350 4.7/4.8... so yeah i don't know because everybody says something different about the 8350...

Some people say that it is great and that it doesn't bottleneck their 980sli while other say it bottlenecks their 290 so...

what makes you think you ''could easily get the 8350 to 4.7/4.8''? you know it's a great binned chip and you've tried it already? cause i can tell you that 90%+ of the FX-8350 out there won't be stable at anywhere near that speed...AMD heavily bin them nowadays, mine was an older FX-8320 and i was extremely lucky to have something that was able to do 4.4ghz stable...and it was before they started binning them even more to get the FX-8320E, FX-8370, FX-8370E as well...now FX-8320 and FX-8350 are pretty much all the bad ones...if you can get 4.5ghz out of the FX-8350 it's already very good..but even then i won't be enough for an R9 290X or GTX 970 in many games.

[Zoomv]

what makes you think you ''could easily get the 8350 to 4.7/4.8''? you know it's a great binned chip and you've tried it already? cause i can tell you that 90%+ of the FX-8350 out there won't be stable at anywhere near that speed...AMD heavily bin them nowadays, mine was an older FX-8320 and i was extremely lucky to have something that was able to do 4.4ghz stable...and it was before they started binning them even more to get the FX-8320E, FX-8370, FX-8370E as well...now FX-8320 and FX-8350 are pretty much all the bad ones...if you can get 4.5ghz out of the FX-8350 it's already very good..but even then i won't be enough for an R9 290X or GTX 970 in many games.

with 8+2 and a cryorig h5 which is better than many 120/140mm aio... where i live it's very cold in the winter so i don't think the cpu will run way to hot...

but again i don't own one so i am not 100% sure about that...

[i_build_nanosuits]

with 8+2 and a cryorig h5 which is better than many 120/140mm aio... where i live it's very cold in the winter so i don't think the cpu will run way to hot...

but again i don't own one so i am not 100% sure about that...

it's not all about temps as well..you can have the machine in the freezer and still not be able to hit 4.5ghz stable...you can only increase voltages a certain amount and increasing voltages won't necesseraly mean your CPU will be able to stabilise at higher frequencies...it will also degrade the chip much faster. i think you should not go into this thinking you can hit 4.8ghz stable daily on an FX-8350...cause it's not gonna happen for most FX-83XX even with a formula board under a custom loop...it's all about the quality of the silicon itself, 4.2/4.3ghz stable is a much more realistic speed that most of the FX-83XX can achieve under normal ''optimised'' circumstances. And as i said even at 4.5ghz you are nowhere near the performance per core of an intel i5-3570K at 3.5ghz stock...and this is VERY important for gaming.

[Zoomv]

it's not all about temps as well..you can have the machine in the freezer and still not be able to hit 4.5ghz stable...you can only increase voltages a certain amount and increasing voltages won't necesseraly mean your CPU will be able to stabilise at higher frequencies...it will also degrade the chip much faster. i think you should not go into this thinking you can hit 4.8ghz stable daily on an FX-8350...cause it's not gonna happen for most FX-83XX even with a formula board under a custom loop...it's all about the quality of the silicon itself, 4.4ghz stable is a much more realistic speed that most of the FX-83XX can achieve under normal ''optimised'' circumstances. And as i said even at 4.5ghz you are nowhere near the performance per core of an intel i5-3570K at 3.5ghz stock...and this is VERY important for gaming.

yes single core performance is crucial for gaming... the whole point is that the audio of the p8z77 v lx of the z77 is really really bad since it will be in a non windowed case

estetics isn't important but that motherboard really doesn't look like it can do serious work...

it isn't even a full atx..

her another benchmark... 

[i_build_nanosuits]

yes single core performance is crucial for gaming... the whole point is that the audio of the p8z77 v lx of the z77 is really really bad since it will be in a non windowed case

estetics isn't important but that motherboard really doesn't look like it can do serious work...

it isn't even a full atx..

her another benchmark...

1st: stop linking benchmark as i said i owned this CPU for a little over 3 months paired with a higher-end graphics solution, i know exactly how it performs, i even messed with it playing with 2 and 3 modules enabled to simulate FX4300 and FX-6300 with it, i know this stuff.

Now, ATX vs mATX does not change anything, and what do you mean by ''really really bad audio'' cause as far as i know if you are interested in good sound quality all the motherboards have bad audio...is the audio on this board broken? also you should know that the audio portion of your gaming experience will most likely always be limited by the performance of your headphones and/or the quality of the compressed audio files inside the game itself which usualy range from very crappy to mediocre...so good quality sound chips arent required for gaming, just a working basic audio will work fine and somewhat good quality headphones.

[typographie]

yeah you're definitely right lga 1155 is dead and am3+ is dead but that doesn't mean that they're both bad...

 

Even Intel's new sockets are dead on arrival for all practical purposes. Usually you get one tick-tock cycle out of one Intel socket, and it's usually an enormous waste of money to upgrade from one to it's immediate, same-socket successor. See Haswell vs. Broadwell, Sandy Bridge vs. Ivy Bridge, etc.

 

"Bad" isn't the point, just that it's a poor reason to pick a CPU when no one ever really has a sensible upgrade on the same socket (except maybe G3258 users).

[Nena Trinity]

I play battlefield 4, cod, gta and a little bit lol and wow

I heard most of those games are quite playable on FX but not so sure about GTA V? & LoL (GTA V will have some issues such as low FPS... LoL if same as Dota will be OK!) 

[Dabombinable]

I heard most of those games are quite playable on FX but not so sure about GTA V? & LoL (GTA V will have some issues such as low FPS... LoL if same as Dota will be OK!) 

Why pay $180 for an 8350 when you can get a 3570K that is far better in all areas (except trailing a bit behind in multithreaded tasks) for an extra $20?

[JefferyD90]

This seems like the strangest argument to make for either brand of CPU. AMD sockets are dead because they haven't released a product in four years, Intel sockets are dead because they don't keep them more than a single tick-tock cycle, which means that there's no fundamental change to the microarchitecture, rendering an upgrade pointless anyway.

 

The only reason you'd consider the socket not dead is if you are buying a Pentium or i3 now and wanting to upgrade within a generation. You're perfectly capable of doing that with AMD too, though.

The A88X platform isn't a dead platform and has (at least) 1 more CPU launch.  Also, Intel usually supports 2 generations with each chipset.  z77/87 and so on.  (granted I know most of these are "refreshes" of the same design, but often provide more capabilities.)

[Zoomv]

1st: stop linking benchmark as i said i owned this CPU for a little over 3 months paired with a higher-end graphics solution, i know exactly how it performs, i even messed with it playing with 2 and 3 modules enabled to simulate FX4300 and FX-6300 with it, i know this stuff.

Now, ATX vs mATX does not change anything, and what do you mean by ''really really bad audio'' cause as far as i know if you are interested in good sound quality all the motherboards have bad audio...is the audio on this board broken? also you should know that the audio portion of your gaming experience will most likely always be limited by the performance of your headphones and/or the quality of the compressed audio files inside the game itself which usualy range from very crappy to mediocre...so good quality sound chips arent required for gaming, just a working basic audio will work fine and somewhat good quality headphones.

no the problem isn't that it's matx no... it is not fully atx it has only 6 mounting holes instead of 9... it hasn't got good audio a lot of people are claiming that the audio doesn't work at all which isn't a nice thing... while the 990fx motherboard has a great sound which is important to me...

[Zoomv]

Why pay $180 for an 8350 when you can get a 3570K that is far better in all areas (except trailing a bit behind in multithreaded tasks) for an extra $20?

the problem is the motherboard that's included...

[Dabombinable]

the problem is the motherboard that's included...

And it can still overclock the 3570K by a lot-and it will always beat the FX 8350 in games, even at stock.

[Zoomv]

And it can still overclock the 3570K by a lot-and it will always beat the FX 8350 in games, even at stock.

it will overclock ok but the audio has big problems and that's crucial for me...

[Dabombinable]

it will overclock ok but the audio has big problems and that's crucial for me...

The P8Z77-V LK has better audio:

P8Z77-V LK, Realtek® ALC892 8-Channel High Definition Audio CODEC, https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P8Z77V_LK/specifications/

GA-990FXA-UD7, Realtek ALC889 codec, http://www.gigabyte.com.au/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3880#sp

 

The i5 3570K combo is still the far better option.

 

 

Edit: And BTW, the Creative SoundBlaster live (a 'value' model PCI soundcard) from 2000/2001 (which I own) is better than any Realtek onboard audio. So if you want the best audio, get a soundcard (PCI or PCIe doesn't matter).

[Morgan MLGman]

@Zoomv @Nena360 LoL? The FX-8350 doesn't even hit 15% usage when playing it. Same goes for my GTX970, the GPU fans aren't even spinning during LoL. Even a potato would run it.

GTA V performs well since it uses all 8 threads of the CPU, same goes for most games I played 4 or 8 threads at least.

AC:Unity, The Witcher 3, Battlefield 3, Call of Duty Ghosts, Shadow of Mordor, Dragon Age Inquisition, Batman Arkham Knight, ArcheAge, Sniper Ghost Warrior 2, Tomb Raider.
There is no BOTTLENECKS at all FX-8350 paired with an overclocked GTX 970 to 1530mhz core in these games. I don't play anything else besides CS GO but it's worthless mentioning cause everything can run it.

You will not notice any bottlenecks and the CPU itself performs great for its cost. The 8320 is slightly better though in terms performance/price but it may not overclock that well.
I have my FX-8350 @4,5 gHz with only adding 0,05V, and I can  have it @4,4gHz at stock voltage. Decided 100mhz for 0.05V is worth it cause it's almost stock.

[Dabombinable]

@Zoomv @Nena360 LoL? The FX-8350 doesn't even hit 15% usage when playing it. Same goes for my GTX970, the GPU fans aren't even spinning during LoL. Even a potato would run it.

GTA V performs well since it uses all 8 threads of the CPU, same goes for most games I played 4 or 8 threads at least.

AC:Unity, The Witcher 3, Battlefield 3, Call of Duty Ghosts, Shadow of Mordor, Dragon Age Inquisition, Batman Arkham Knight, ArcheAge, Sniper Ghost Warrior 2, Tomb Raider.

There is no BOTTLENECKS at all FX-8350 paired with an overclocked GTX 970 to 1530mhz core in these games. I don't play anything else besides CS GO but it's worthless mentioning cause everything can run it.

You will not notice any bottlenecks and the CPU itself performs great for its cost. The 8320 is slightly better though in terms performance/price but it may not overclock that well.

I have my FX-8350 @4,5 gHz with only adding 0,05V, and I can  have it @4,4gHz at stock voltage. Decided 100mhz for 0.05V is worth it cause it's almost stock.

Do you know the meaning of the term bottleneck? Also, its getting beaten by i3's that are weaker than the i5 3570K in DirectX 12, so its a bad choice for future games as well.

[i_build_nanosuits]

it will overclock ok but the audio has big problems and that's crucial for me...

worst case scenario you buy a 30$ sound card which will offer more than acceptable audio, better than most motherboard:

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-sound-card-xonardgx

[Dabombinable]

worst case scenario you buy a 30$ sound card which will offer more than acceptable audio, better than most motherboard:

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-sound-card-xonardgx

Less if its second hand-you can find some very good ones on Ebay that are even better for the same price range.

[Morgan MLGman]

@ you know, I had this GTX970 paired with an Athlon II X4 750K @4,5gHz for some time before my FX-8350 arrived. When I played for example The Witcher 3, my CPU usage would max out on all 4 cores and I would experience FPS drops and stuttering. That's what a bottleneck is. And with the 8350 in these games I mentioned I didn't notice any bottlenecks.


@i_build_nanosuits I agree that perhaps there are games that could use 1/2/4 threads of 8350 fully, but in the games I mentioned I didn't notice anything wrong. I see you've got i7-4770k with a GTX780, there is a possibility that my 8350+OC'd 970 would outperform your setup in games like The Witcher 3 ^^ Simply cause a 970 is good and I achieved a quite impressive overclock on it (1530mhz on the core) for example.

[Dabombinable]

@ you know, I had this GTX970 paired with an Athlon II X4 750K @4,5gHz for some time before my FX-8350 arrived. When I played for example The Witcher 3, my CPU usage would max out on all 4 cores and I would experience FPS drops and stuttering. That's what a bottleneck is. And with the 8350 in these games I mentioned I didn't notice any bottlenecks.

@i_build_nanosuits I agree that perhaps there are games that could use 1/2/4 threads of 8350 fully, but in the games I mentioned I didn't notice anything wrong. I see you've got i7-4770k with a GTX780, there is a possibility that my 8350+OC'd 970 would outperform your setup in games like The Witcher 3 ^^ Simply cause a 970 is good and I achieved a quite impressive overclock on it (1530mhz on the core) for example.

@i_build_nanosuits previously owned an 8350 for a short time....he knows what he's talking about when he recommends something over it. And you didn't mention GPU usage which is linked to a CPU bottlenecking a GPU.

[Morgan MLGman]

@ it was obviously not maxed out. It is now though, at 99% and if I overclock my GPU I get more FPS and it's still at 99%. I use MSI Afterburner to monitor those stats every time I play any game.