The Battle - Mac vs. PC - A Challenge

[MrSuperb]

that's a university ( the second pic) and you get this thing called sponsors, ya know

also I love how they are on facebook.

Nope. That's the CERN main auditorium ...

[Janope69]

I have a macbook (got it from school) and i do like some of it's features. Spaces or whatever its called now is AMAZING. I also like the cimple things like that app that tells you what song is playing everytime you skip or finish the song (don't know what it is called'. Now if you were to ask if i would buy one? probably not. If i was given a free laptop and i was given the choice of a macbook and a windows laptop, i would take the macbook because i can easily install windows if i see fit. I don't need an i5 on my laptop nor do i need 8gb of ram since i will ALWAYS get on my windows desktop for intensive stuff. i wouldn't even get an imac or mac pro though.....

[Janope69]

OP, you should of added another question in the poll 'have you ever had extensive (daily) experience with a mac? i think most of these people are just hating on mac.

[Cryptonite]

Nope. That's the CERN main auditorium ...

still doesn't change the fact that there might be sponsors involved as if I got a high performance mac for free I wouldn't complain. I just wouldn't spend my money on buying one, I never said that macs can't handle tasks, just that there are WAY cheaper other solutions which is why the other guy posted windows xp being used as it is outdated to heck yet still quite powerful.

[Cryptonite]

OP, you should of added another question in the poll 'have you ever had extensive (daily) experience with a mac? i think most of these people are just hating on mac.

actually most of my colleagues have macs and I am tech support to them so yes, I have quite the baud spectrum experience when it comes to computer operating systems as well. 

 

that is if you were referring to me.

[Janope69]

actually most of my colleagues have macs and I am tech support to them so yes, I have quite the baud spectrum experience when it comes to computer operating systems as well. 

i never said you havn't. I just have a theory that most people havn't

[Cryptonite]

i never said you havn't. I just have a theory that most people havn't

I edited my post too late, sorry.

[MdX MaxX]

You conveniently left out the next sentence in your quote - 'not for a long time'. I said it WOULD happen, but it would have been a lot later. THis is undeniable, Apple unquestionably leads the laptop market in terms or quality and innovation. Schools are filled with Lenovo laptops because they are tough and very cheap, that doesn't been they are good. You guys will never be convinced. It's like a bloody religion, it's madness, and so blind.

The whole Ultrabook movement was not so much a drive to compete with Apple, but more a direct result of Intel bribing everyone. :lol: Even after the Mac Air released it didn't seem like PC OEMs really cared at all.

I think it's only now that we're really seeing products that directly go after the Macbook line like the Razer Blade.

And Lenovo laptops are very nice. You don't need to generalize just because you may have only looked at the barebones Thinkpad line. Look at the IdeaPad notebooks; they're amazing.

[Lyons]

The whole Ultrabook movement was not so much a drive to compete with Apple, but more a direct result of Intel bribing everyone. :lol: Even after the Mac Air released it didn't seem like PC OEMs really cared at all.

I think it's only now that we're really seeing products that directly go after the Macbook line like the Razer Blade.

And Lenovo laptops are very nice. You don't need to generalize just because you may have only looked at the barebones Thinkpad line. Look at the IdeaPad notebooks; they're amazing.

 

Ultrabooks were a result of Intel seeing the Macbook Air, which they developed the low voltage Core 2 Duo CPU for, and thought, 'Wow. Windows laptops are positively shit. Let's create a standard and make money off it so that PC manufacturers get their act together'. There is actually an Ultrabook spec that manufactures have to meet to be classed as an 'Ultrabook'.

 

The IdeaPads are nice, but they still don't meet the rMBP and MBA.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultrabook#History

[CornOnJacob]

I voted "yes" on both questions, but I don't think Mac vs. PC is so cut and dry. A preface: I am a PC user and have not used Macs very much. That being said, I try to be open-minded about it.

    I think that desktop Macs are a terrible value, very expensive, and I would much rather run a hackintosh than buy a desktop Mac. Laptops, however, are a different story.

My friend recently went looking for a laptop, but he does not game at all and only does light Photoshop work. Since the rMBP did not get a Haswell refresh, he had his sights set on the MB Air. I showed him the Acer Aspire S7 (haswell), but it was more expensive than the Air, and he really doesn't need the extra performance. I didn't know about something like the Sager NP7330 at the time, which could blow the Air out of the water (heehee) at a cheaper price, even if you add an SSD to match the Air. That being said, it doesn't have the same aesthetic (although it still looks nice to me).

    Apple laptops don't suffer from the problems of other Macs (no upgradability, significant cost for the form factor, etc.), because those problems are inherent to most laptops. My friend would rather spend his money on a "Retina display" than a discrete GPU, and that is what the Air offers.

    Thoughts?

[legopc]

Macbook Air 11"

1.3Ghz i5 Haswell

4GB RAM

128GB PCIe SSD

1.08 kg

max 1.7cm in height

Aluminium Unibody

Ability to connect screens up to 2560x1600

9h battery

 

i would like to have a gpu when i pay 1000 dollars 

[qwertywarrior]

performance wise its expensive

 

but the whole package i believe is not

 

 

buts there is more to it than that

aluminum bodies conduct heat and i have a problem with sweaty palms

apple only has a quad core cpu for their 15inch version i dont like the heat that quad core gives

and they "show" scratches and digs more easily

 

i wish if they could coat the internal side of the chassis with some kind of heat resistive substance

but at the same time i hate the feeling of cold metal on my skin (happen when i start using the laptop)

 

 

i have used a macbook before and i currently own a thinkpad T530

the only problem i have with the T530 is the loose battery but its not really an issue

[Lyons]

 

Macbook Air 11"

1.3Ghz i5 Haswell

4GB RAM

128GB PCIe SSD

1.08 kg

max 1.7cm in height

Aluminium Unibody

Ability to connect screens up to 2560x1600

9h battery

 

i would like to have a gpu when i pay 1000 dollars 

 

 

For what? Games on a laptop that runs an OS that doesn't support any mainstream games and has a ULV CPU? Right... reduced battery life and increased heat output for nothing. If you don't think modern Intel integrated graphics is adequate for general use at 2560x1440 or higher then you haven't used it.

[Matsy]

Sorry but no.

The only thing mac's have in my opinion is better build quality.

And the extra price you pay isn't worth that.

[legopc]

For what? Games on a laptop that runs an OS that doesn't support any mainstream games and has a ULV CPU? Right... reduced battery life and increased heat output for nothing. If you don't think modern Intel integrated graphics is adequate for general use at 2560x1440 or higher then you haven't used it.

hmm you do have a point... dammit 

[Cryptonite]

hmm you do have a point... dammit 

your signature is killing me man  :lol:

[pewpewmerica]

Mac have amazing build quality and software. Their Prices are crap, (for their desktops at least) you cant deny that.

[MrSuperb]

Mac have amazing build quality and software. Their Prices are crap, (for their desktops at least) you cant deny that.

 

Here is your iMac like build http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1oUhd

Add the 10% people charge for building a pc and you are at $1707.00

The iMac is $1799.00

[mr moose]

that's a university ( the second pic) and you get this thing called sponsors, ya know

also I love how they are on facebook.

That second photo is the auditorium, every laptop you see belongs to a reporter/unistudent. Most of whom are probably studying social sciences.

 

what is the job of the person on the first photo? Notice all the workstations behind him?   

 

you may have to face facts, CERN needs a very adaptive and power environment to control the collider. They chose windows XP.  Although I am sure Linux would have sufficed, they went with windows for a reason. 

 

EDIT: sorry I quoted the wrong person I meant to quote #MrSuperb

 

EDIT2: thought I 'd better add this: a link to the official supported pc models by cern.   It seems they have 4 versions of a custom linux distro as well :D 

[SMURG]

No, it is not really. Quadros and Geforces pretty much only differ in different drivers available to different card. Apple makes those drivers themselves, optimized for there system. Just because Quadro cards are generelly more expensive, doesn't make them perform better, especially not in a Mac enivronment.

At what point did I say that those Quadro cards perform any better than the 650M? They don't, but that's not what I was saying. The fact that they perform the same is irrelevant because they are significantly more expensive and designed for entirely different workloads, and therefore are not comparable. If you compare a Windows laptop with a 650M to the Macbook with the 650M, the Windows machine will be cheaper and will perform the same because it has the same hardware.

[Guest Gazzer96]

If we are going to compare laptops for PC and Mac: Dell XPS 13 (maybe even Dell XPS 12 if you consider the touch screen) vs Macbook Pro. small XPS laptopls are basicly Macbooks, but only the diffecences are sound quility, as the Dell has Waves Maxx Audio and 24Bit, 192000Hz soundcard (well for the bigger versions at least) along with quality of the display as the Macbook pro has A 1800p screen, plus the XPSs have USB 3.0 and Macbooks have thunderbolt.

[Sharp_3yE]

So here is my take on this topic. Macs are build well and work well. I have seen problems with Macs hardware such as problems with monitors but that depends on which model. Just like PC's some Mac models have certain issues. I've seen lots of PC's with issues to. My sister bought a laptop and it was terrible. She went back and traded it for the same model and it had the same crappy problems. So she got a different model from a different maker and it lasted a few years. It really depends on the model of computer you get from a certain company that depends on quality.

 

From what I've typically seen is that I can get a notebook/ultrabook PC that does have either about the same or better specs compared to a MacBook yet it would be 200-500 dollars cheaper (depending on the build quality and whether the specs are a lil worse, same or a lil better).

 

With that said Macs are not bad. N if you prefer macs go ahead and buy it especially if you are willing to spend the extra $$ to buy one. I've looked in catalogs for places like Micro Center and online and personally I do not think it is worth the extra money. I've used mac and I've used windows. I like having the start menu or start screen. They are just set up different. Plus I am a gamer and WIndows is the best for Gaming and being productive because it's almost guarantee to work.

[MrSuperb]

That second photo is the auditorium, every laptop you see belongs to a reporter/unistudent. Most of whom are probably studying social sciences.

 

what is the job of the person on the first photo? Notice all the workstations behind him?   

 

you may have to face facts, CERN needs a very adaptive and power environment to control the collider. They chose windows XP.  Although I am sure Linux would have sufficed, they went with windows for a reason. 

 

EDIT: sorry I quoted the wrong person I meant to quote #MrSuperb

 

EDIT2: thought I 'd better add this: a link to the official supported pc models by cern.   It seems they have 4 versions of a custom linux distro as well :D

 

I already said, that it was the CERN auditorium and also Cern has an official Mac Support ;)

[ShearMe]

The good thing about Macs is they usually have fewer software problems.

 

The bad thing about Macs is that when they do have software problems you're screwed because all the techies know how to troubleshoot Windows for any problem you'll ever have, but not much for Macs.

[MrSuperb]

If we are going to compare laptops for PC and Mac: Dell XPS 13 (maybe even Dell XPS 12 if you consider the touch screen) vs Macbook Pro. small XPS laptopls are basicly Macbooks, but only the diffecences are sound quility, as the Dell has Waves Maxx Audio and 24Bit, 192000Hz soundcard (well for the bigger versions at least) along with quality of the display as the Macbook pro has A 1800p screen, plus the XPSs have USB 3.0 and Macbooks have thunderbolt.

 

It is a good comparison to the Macbook Air aswell, but it also costs pretty much the same.