Are Consoles Worth Buying? And which ones do you like.

[TheConverter]

PS4 emulation is epic fail stage still...

 

I'm talking about Nintendo emulation

[Nena Trinity]

I'm talking about Nintendo emulation

But you cannot use the Wii mote then? :<

[Elk]

You can say whatever you want about consoles, but please don't say me they are cheaper, when in fact they are far more expensive.

But they are cheaper.

[TheConverter]

But they are cheaper.

 

No they aren't. PC Gaming is cheaper.

[TheConverter]

But you cannot use the Wii mote then? :<

 

Ofc Wii mote works, it uses bluetooth lol. You can even use a wii-mote on your smartphone.

[Elk]

No they aren't. PC Gaming is cheaper.

Hardware wise? No.

In the long run counting games and subs: Yes.

[TheConverter]

Hardware wise? No.

In the long run counting games and subs: Yes.

 

Alienware Alpha is 330$ with a 750Ti so yeah...

Nvidia Shield console is 199$ and can do more things then a console.

 

For 350-400$ which is how much a PS4/Xbox One costs you can build:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($64.89 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H81M-S1 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($37.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Memory: Crucial 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($38.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($47.98 @ Best Buy)

Video Card: Asus Radeon R9 270X 2GB DirectCU II Video Card  ($131.99 @ Newegg)

Case: Thermaltake VL80001W2Z ATX Mid Tower Case  ($22.99 @ Micro Center)

Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply  ($27.99 @ NCIX US)

Total: $372.82

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-08-23 17:24 EDT-0400

[Elk]

Alienware Alpha is 330$ with a 750Ti so yeah...

Nvidia Shield console is 199$ and can do more things then a console.

 

For 350-400$ which is how much a PS4/Xbox One costs you can build:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($64.89 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H81M-S1 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($37.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Memory: Crucial 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($38.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($47.98 @ Best Buy)

Video Card: Asus Radeon R9 270X 2GB DirectCU II Video Card  ($131.99 @ Newegg)

Case: Thermaltake VL80001W2Z ATX Mid Tower Case  ($22.99 @ Micro Center)

Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply  ($27.99 @ NCIX US)

Total: $372.82

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-08-23 17:24 EDT-0400

A non HT dual core is not recommended for gaming and some games have trouble running with the Pentium G3258. 

If you're going with Intel it has to be at least an i3, but that'll raise the cost over $400.

[TheConverter]

A non HT dual core is not recommended for gaming and some games have trouble running with the Pentium G3258. 

If you're going with Intel it has to be at least an i3, but that'll raise the cost over $400.

 

So when you buy your house it's only let's say 800$? Because that's what your first month of mortgage is.But yeah, and AMD cpu/motherboard would be better.

 

If you go second hand shopping you can get a I5 2500k and a 280X or even a R9 290 at 400$. That rig would be 3x as powerfull as a console.

[othertomperson]

I played an Xbox One the other day. It was so fucking loud, it was like my PC if I turned fan control off and had all five fans spinning at 100% constantly. People have these pieces of crap in their living rooms? o.0

 

A console is only worthwhile if you are going to play enough exclusives to be worth the £350. Otherwise it's a shit to low tier PC for the same price as one, but a massive price-hike on the games.

[HeyKenGuy]

not worth it for me.....

 

theres only one game or two games on the playstation I want to play which is Uncharted and whenever the nex God of war....but even those are not worth the $400 investment for the console

 

as the the xbox, there are absolutely no games on the xbox im interested in that isnt available on PC

[skywake]

You can say whatever you want about consoles, but please don't say me they are cheaper, when in fact they are far more expensive.

huh???? Why do you want to constantly start arguments with me? Hang on, let me read my post again.....

 

But consoles are PCs. The XBOne and PS4 in particular are fairly capable ones, not high spec but decent enough spec that they'd be passable. If you were to build a gaming PC for under your TV that's about the spec you'd go for unless you were loaded. The idea that consoles are a lesser option just because they're consoles is a joke.

 

Though again, what it comes down to is content. If you can play a game on one machine that you can't on another? If you really want to play that particular game? Then none of it matters. That's the platform you need to own to get that content. 

 

 

........?

 

So yeah, I didn't mention price at all. All I said was that the spec of the XBOne and PS4 is passable and that if you were to build an "under the TV" gaming PC built for 1080p? That's about the spec you'd aim for. They are not really anywhere near as bad as you are suggesting. The idea that they are bad just because they're consoles is bull, because they're PCs with a different OS.

 

Again, what it comes down to is content. It doesn't really matter what the hardware is if there aren't any games to play. And all of the platforms out there have content, some of that content is exclusive. If you are particularly into one of those exclusives? Then the rest doesn't matter. That's the platform you need to own to get that content.

 

 

.............. I don't think there's anything controversial about saying that. So to use your words, please don't try and start an argument with me about things I didn't say.

[TheConverter]

Again, what it comes down to is content. It doesn't really matter what the hardware is if there aren't any games to play. And all of the platforms out there have content, some of that content is exclusive. If you are particularly into one of those exclusives? Then the rest doesn't matter. That's the platform you need to own to get that content.

 

I'm pretty sure the Alienware Alpha or which is 330$ on sale (or another Steambox), has 100x more games then both PS4/Xbox One so the content argument makes no sense.

 

 

 

So let's see:

 

- Better graphics then PS4, let alone Xbox One ✓

- Supports 4K 60hz, a lot of less graphical intensive games like Fifa can be played at 4K easily ✓ 

- Mouse and keyboard support ✓

- Free multiplayer, saves up to 420$ during the next 7 years ✓

- Is a full PC with Windows 8.1/10. You can use it for everything just like a normal PC. Heck it would even be a a cheap option for company's. ✓

- Much cheaper games on PC ✓

- Comes with free wireless xbox 360 controller with dongle ✓

- Supports all controllers that you already have, it has built in bluetooth so Dual Shock 3 and 4 are supported. ✓

- More exclusives ✓

[skywake]

I'm pretty sure the Alienware Alpha or which is 330$ on sale

I didn't say consoles were cheaper, I said that they are effectively PCs and their spec is reasonable for a gaming machine to sit under your TV

 

has 100x more games then both PS4/Xbox One so the content argument makes no sense.

I didn't say there was more content on consoles. I said there is a reasonable amount of content on all platforms. The only point I made was that if you want to play a particular game that's only available on one of the current generation consoles? Nothing else matters. Because that platform is the best place to play that content. And that goes both ways, a PS4 won't cover you if you want to play DotA or Halo in the same way that a PC won't cover you if you want to play Splatoon or The Last of Us.

 

So let's see:

- Better graphics then PS4, let alone Xbox One ✓

- Supports 4K 60hz, a lot of less graphical intensive games like Fifa can be played at 4K easily ✓ 

- Mouse and keyboard support ✓

- Free multiplayer, saves up to 420$ during the next 7 years ✓

- Is a full PC with Windows 8.1/10. You can use it for everything just like a normal PC. Heck it would even be a a cheap option for company's. ✓

- Much cheaper games on PC ✓

- Comes with free wireless xbox 360 controller with dongle ✓

- Supports all controllers that you already have, it has built in bluetooth so Dual Shock 3 and 4 are supported. ✓

- More exclusives ✓

 

 

 

And if you buy a PS4:

- Has decent a decent enough spec for that 1080p 60Hz TV most people have  ✓

- Can play all of the major third party games ✓

- Has exclusive games ✓

 

For the XBOne:

- Has decent a decent enough spec for that 1080p 60Hz TV most people have  ✓

- Can play all of the major third party games ✓

- Has exclusive games ✓

 

For the Wii U: 

- Has decent a decent enough spec for the games you're going to play on it  ✓

- Also has free online ✓

- Has a lot exclusive games including genres nobody else really covers ✓

 

I'm not saying that PC gaming is bad so please get off your high horse. All I'm saying is that all of the platforms are decent options. There is no "right" platform. The only thing I've ever said that may be even slightly controversial is that if you already own a PC, PS4 or XBOne you'd be stupid to get anything but a Wii U as your second machine. But in isolation? They all play games and that's all that matters.

[TheConverter]

I'm not saying that PC gaming is bad so please get off your high horse. All I'm saying is that all of the platforms are decent options. There is no "right" platform. The only thing I've ever said that may be even slightly controversial is that if you already own a PC, PS4 or XBOne you'd be stupid to get anything but a Wii U as your second machine. But in isolation? They all play games and that's all that matters.

 

Yes PC (desktop,laptop,steambox w/e you like) + Wii U is the golden combo. Both in terms of games and costs.

But please don't start saying that consoles have decent enough specs when they do upscaled 720 and 900P to 1080P at 30FPS. People atleast expected real 1080P 60FPS in 2013/2014 when they were released.  

 

I work at a electronic store now, we sell 80% 4K TV's because they are so cheap nowdays and maybe 20% 1080P TV's usually smaller then 40 inch for bedroom as a second TV.

 

The LG 49UB8200 is 699$ for IPS 4K 49 inch with Smart TV  can't get much better than that for that pricepoint. I'm in Europe (Netherlands) and we sold it for about 670€ last time when it was on sale.

[skywake]

But please don't start saying that consoles have decent enough specs when they do upscaled 720 and 900P to 1080P at 30FPS. People atleast expected real 1080P 60FPS in 2013/2014 when they were released.  I work at a electronic store now, we sell 80% 4K TV's because they are so cheap nowdays and maybe 20% 1080P TV's usually smaller then 40 inch for bedroom as a second TV.

New sales != Total install base

One store != global trend

 

I did a bit of a search and found that 4K TVs are about 15% of TV sales for the month of April this year. Nowhere near the majority of even current sales. It'll climb for sure but don't kid yourselves into thinking that everyone has a 4K set. It's still a very small minority of the sets out there. For me personally, my next TV will probably be 4K. But that won't be for a couple of years because I only got my current TV a few years ago. I suspect most people are in that same boat.

 

If 4K was seriously exploding in the way that 1080p was in 2006-2008? Even then, there's no way that consoles would get anywhere near ready for that. You have to get a pretty damn high end PC to be at the point where 4K can be your new norm. There's no way that you could cram a 980 into a tiny box and sell it for $400US and make a profit. Especially not back in 2013. So given that fact, the spec of those consoles is reasonable. And as I said earlier if I was to build a gaming machine to sit under my 1080p TV? It would be about the same spec as the PS4.

[othertomperson]

 if you were to build an "under the TV" gaming PC built for 1080p? That's about the spec you'd aim for.

 

How can you say that when they often lower the resolution below that to run and even then drop to 20 fps? If I didn't already have a PC and so local streaming wasn't an option (because otherwise that makes the most sense) I would be looking at at least a 270X. I would probably be putting a 960 or 380 in it and enjoying a solid 60 fps 1080p.

 

If you really want an entry level R7 360 build for cheapness then you can, but it is definitely the spec you'd choose because it was cheap, and not because it's all you want for 1080p.

 

 

If 4K was seriously exploding in the way that 1080p was in 2006-2008? Even then, there's no way that consoles would get anywhere near ready for that. You have to get a pretty damn high end PC to be at the point where 4K can be your new norm. There's no way that you could cram a 980 into a tiny box and sell it for $400US and make a profit. Especially not back in 2013. So given that fact, the spec of those consoles is reasonable. And as I said earlier if I was to build a gaming machine to sit under my 1080p TV? It would be about the same spec as the PS4.

 

I don't expect 4K out of them in all games. I expect them to be able to output very undemanding games at 4K, in much the same way as you can play LoL on a 285 at 4K on an R9 285. However the main problem I have is that as you say the 1080p explosion was almost a decade ago. Why are current gen consoles still struggling with that!?

[skywake]

How can you say that when they often lower the resolution below that to run and even then drop to 20 fps? If I didn't already have a PC and so local streaming wasn't an option (because otherwise that makes the most sense) I would be looking at at least a 270X. I would probably be putting a 960 or 380 in it and enjoying a solid 60 fps 1080p.

 

If you really want an entry level R7 360 build for cheapness then you can, but it is definitely the spec you'd choose because it was cheap, and not because it's all you want for 1080p.

The PS4 sits at around about on-par with a 270X. It's a slightly modified 7870 but with VRAM used as shared system memory. So according to your it is very much the spec that you'd be aiming for if you were to build a PC for gaming under your TV. Reasonable enough for 1080p gaming. For 2015 I'd say it's about the entry level for a reasonable spec gaming PC. It's not a bad option for people.

 

And again, for the games that only exist on that platform? You have no other option. So in those cases the spec means jack anyways.

[centurion_08]

Actually the Alienware Alpha looks/works pretty cool as tool to convert blind peasants.

 

But still there's a downside to it. At the end of the day you'll gettin a shitty console ports.

[othertomperson]

The PS4 sits at around about on-par with a 270X. It's a slightly modified 7870 but with VRAM used as shared system memory. So according to your it is very much the spec that you'd be aiming for if you were to build a PC for gaming under your TV. Reasonable enough for 1080p gaming. For 2015 I'd say it's about the entry level for a reasonable spec gaming PC. It's not a bad option for people.

 

And again, for the games that only exist on that platform? You have no other option. So in those cases the spec means jack anyways.

 

It sits on par with a 260X, not a 270X. You keep saying that its specs are reasonable for 1080p and not addressing the fact that it often doesn't run at 1080p but 900p and even then not even at its target framerate of 30.

 

You are also ignoring the fact that I said that a 270X is the bare minimum of what anyone should be thinking about and that really they should be choosing a 960 or 380.

 

No shit exclusives are exclusive. I invite you to read my first post in this thread again before bothering me with another stupid comment.

[skywake]

I don't understand why people get so worked up over this stuff. It's just games. Two people in this thread having a go at me for simply saying that the PS4 isn't a piece of shit....

[centurion_08]

I don't understand why people get so worked up over this stuff. It's just games. Two people in this thread having a go at me for simply saying that the PS4 isn't a piece of shit....

 

Nah, don't let them get to you. Many users on this forum are still immature kids. They don't get the idea that some people coming back from work just want to press the button and play the fucking game. That's all it is. No planning, building, tweaking. They don't give a shit about fps nor graphics. Just them and the game.

[TheConverter]

New sales != Total install base

One store != global trend

 

I did a bit of a search and found that 4K TVs are about 15% of TV sales for the month of April this year. Nowhere near the majority of even current sales. It'll climb for sure but don't kid yourselves into thinking that everyone has a 4K set. It's still a very small minority of the sets out there. For me personally, my next TV will probably be 4K. But that won't be for a couple of years because I only got my current TV a few years ago. I suspect most people are in that same boat.

 

If 4K was seriously exploding in the way that 1080p was in 2006-2008? Even then, there's no way that consoles would get anywhere near ready for that. You have to get a pretty damn high end PC to be at the point where 4K can be your new norm. There's no way that you could cram a 980 into a tiny box and sell it for $400US and make a profit. Especially not back in 2013. So given that fact, the spec of those consoles is reasonable. And as I said earlier if I was to build a gaming machine to sit under my 1080p TV? It would be about the same spec as the PS4.

 

 

Maybe you should watch the video before defending your beloved consoles, somebody would be a "Thief of it's own pocket" if he bought a Xbox One/PS4 instead of a Alienware Alpha or similar priced Steamboxes. A average gamer could save atleast 1000$ in the 6-7 years that a console generation lasts by buying the Alpha.

 

Also I didn't said nothing about consoles that can do 4K in 2013, they can't even do "ancient" freaking 1080P 60FPS that has been a standard in PC world for like 7 years. 

 

[TheConverter]

Actually the Alienware Alpha looks/works pretty cool as tool to convert blind peasants.

 

But still there's a downside to it. At the end of the day you'll gettin a shitty console ports.

 

Shitty console ports that have high framerate and graphics then on the PS4/Xbox One itself?

 

The Xbox One probably plays games at Medium upscaled 768/900P 30FPS, the PS4 plays them at a mixture of medium and high settings upscaled 900P 30FPS while the Alpha plays them at real 1080P High settings at +45FPS. 

[skywake]

As a PC gamer, this is why people don't like us guys. Stop it.