[Heavy images and content. See "Recap" for lighter version] Microsoft BUILD Event - Day1 Keynote

[dalekphalm]

How is it ground breaking? Asus has been doing this for about 4 years now with Android. Dock your phone into a tablet, dock your tablet into a keyboard. I can even connect mouse, keyboard and a monitor to my tablet if I want to. It will be the same thing because the Windows 10 phones won't be able to run x86 programs (the only reason why I want the desktop).

I've been talking about your phone being your only computer for about 5 years or so, but we are still not there in terms of performance and especially not programs. It will be nice in the future but I don't think it's exciting or ground breaking right now.

Ubuntu has done a similar thing as well in the past (although it doesn't seem like it is getting any market share).

 

 

I'm gonna wait and see how easy it actually is, how well it performs and how feature compatibility will be before getting excited. They weren't exactly very detailed in their explanations or examples. I am also a bit worried about this being Microsoft trying to pull an "Embrace, extend and extinguish" tactic like they have done several times in the past. It seems like Microsoft's mentality has changed and that they are no longer pure fucking evil, but I still don't trust them.

 

 

Meh... It's nice and all to have another editor to choose from but it seems like Microsoft based it on Atom and added their own proprietary modules and tweaks. The most surprising and revolutionary thing about it is that it's Microsoft doing it. Kind of bothers me that they didn't even give any mention or thanks to GitHub during the presentation.

I will try it out but I don't see why anyone would cream their pants over it, especially not since a lot of people screaming are not developers. They didn't even make it open source despite the underlying editor being. I guess that's what GitHub gets for not using GPL.

 

 

It's nice to have it built into the OS but we have been able to do this for quite some time with third party solutions such as Chef (and Chef works on a lot more than just Windows 10).

I mean, as soon as they use anything other than Windows 10 you still need to rely on third party programs which does similar or the same thing. It's a nice addition but again, not really revolutionary or that exciting, especially not for the people who are screaming the most about how awesome the conference was (see this thread for lots of examples).

 

 

Pretty cool but very limit use outside of companies (and even then only a small portion of companies).

 

 

 

No I didn't really get excited over anything they talked about yesterday. They did show and talk about some neat things but again, nothing I think is groundbreaking or amazing. What worries me a bit is that a lot of people show the same kind of mentality towards this keynote as they do towards Apple keynotes. They go mental over things that have been done before (sometimes even better) and they get really hyped over things which we don't know a whole lot about. Reminds me of the reality distortion field Jobs had to an uncomfortable degree.

 

I am looking forward to Windows 10 a lot, but this keynote didn't change my level of excitement for it.

All fair points - but the ASUS docking thing is not the same. Once you dock everything, you're still using the same Android "Desktop" (or home screen or whatever) as you were on the phone and tablet, just on a bigger screen. It's not truly adapting to the larger screen form factor.

 

Of course, we'll have to wait and see how all this pans out, but Continuum seems to be taking it not just another step forward, but a whole league forward.

 

And some phones may definitely be able to run x86, depending on what SOC is used. Intel has had x86 Atom SOC's for a while now, and now they've got x64 ones now too, that are actually getting to a low enough wattage to be used in a Smartphone.

For example, the Intel Atom x7 Z8700 is a x86-64 SOC with a 2W design scenario.

 

Pop that into a phone, dock it to a 24" M/K/M setup, and you can run x86 or x64 programs (In theory).

 

Granted, most Windows 10 phones will probably run ARM chips, like the Snapdragon, but we'll see. The technology is here to allow that to happen.

[Rohith_Kumar_Sp]

am i the only one to think here the MS is trying to push the boundaries to make something new? i mean jobs refined what was already there but Microsoft since i've known them have been trying to create new things, remember that LCD table 7-8 years ago ? that was mind blowing, it never took off, but was mind blowing at the time,

[GoodBytes]

am i the only one to think here the MS is trying to push the boundaries to make something new? i mean jobs refined what was already there but Microsoft since i've known them have been trying to create new things, remember that LCD table 7-8 years ago ? that was mind blowing, it never took off, but was mind blowing at the time,

It never took off, because it was SUPER expensive. The technology was not just a giant touch screen, but it can recognize pressure applied to it, and shapes. It even had the technology for wireless data transfer, by putting a supported device on the table, it can transfer data.

Microsoft only made it available in a limited run, for select businesses that wanted it. I think a few fancy hotels and bars bought a bunch. Certainly it paid R&D cost, but was never a product for the masses.

Jobs was pushing for end-user experience excellence. He was very picky, and had really high level of standards.

If you look at the first iPhone released. The whole App store thing didn't exists, it wasn't even in Apples mind. It was just a smart phone. But unlike the competitors, he didn't settled for a crappy touch screen, he wanted the best. Apple experimented for sure with different designs and did studies in trying to see what works. And here comes a keyboard-less smartphone (I mean physical keyboard). They didn't want a shitty TN panel like other manufacture was putting, as they didn't have the mentality of "it is just a phone!", or "they won't do Photoshop on it, so who cares". No, he wanted the best, so IPS it is. He didn't want the ugly connector casing for the phone plug to be visible (which is funny as Apple, Razer and Microsoft are the only manufacture that pays attention to this, even if you are willing to spend 300$ on a computer case, you have really ugly USB ports, where they stick like a sore thumb... but as no one points them out, case manufacture don't care, and move on. Heck even NCASE M1 fails at that. But on an Apple computer or Razer or Microsoft, not only you don't see the casing, but they dyed the USB plug to be invisible, and not stick out like a sore thumb). Anyway, so he also did that on software, so at the end, you have the iPhone. Same applies for all Apple products. The cost is lack of functionality, as most of the energy is spent on this, and the less features you have, the easier it is to debug, the more time you can spend on polish, optimization, ensuring the best experience.

To show what I mean about the USB port which I think highlight attention to details:

Which is nicer (USB ports):

This: http://i.imgur.com/qb47Nlc.jpg

or

This: http://cdn1.itpro.co.uk/sites/itpro/files/styles/gallery_wide/public/mac_pro_-_ports.jpg?itok=mBoOEtu5

[Rohith_Kumar_Sp]

It never took off, because it was SUPER expensive. The technology was not just a giant touch screen, but it can recognize pressure applied to it, and shapes. It even had the technology for wireless data transfer, by putting a supported device on the table, it can transfer data.

Microsoft only made it available in a limited run, for select businesses that wanted it. I think a few fancy hotels and bars bought a bunch. Certainly it paid R&D cost, but was never a product for the masses.

ya i figured, but you have to agree that no one did what they did at the time , like this halo thingy they are doing now

[cesrai]

@GoodBytes spoiler there is no good excuse to not using it.

[GoodBytes]

ya i figured, but you have to agree that no one did what they did at the time , like this halo thingy they are doing now

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Yes, I agree.

Innovation has risks. Vista was an example of having a peace of software (well Operating System), that was too ahead of its time for running it on most of the systems at the time. But Microsoft was not thinking at today, but rather a OS core that they can use for many generations of Windows to come. Windows 8 was another. Trying to predict market change (no more laptops, no more desktop, tablets only. Which really that is what was really happening at the time, only recently, like this past year and half or so, tablet sales shrank (but laptop and desktop are still not increasing).)

Surface Pro is one that worked (pro specifically). Had a ruff start due to technology limitation (low battery life on first gen Pro, due to the Intel CPU being so power hungry... but still could give you 5-6h which is not too awful, but still for the asking price.. that is low), but it did kick-off strongly with the Pro 2 which was able to correct the problem, and really take off with the Pro 3.

[Rohith_Kumar_Sp]

I completed my post. Check it out.

Yes, I agree.

Innovation has risks. Vista was an example of having a peace of software (well Operating System), that was too ahead of its time for running it on most of the systems at the time. But Microsoft was not thinking at today, but rather a OS core that they can use for many generations of Windows to come. Windows 8 was another. Trying to predict market change (no more laptops, no more desktop, tablets only. Which really that is what was really happening at the time, only recently, like this past year and half or so, tablet sales shrank (but laptop and desktop are still not increasing).)

Surface Pro is one that worked (pro specifically). Had a ruff start due to technology limitation (low battery life on first gen Pro, due to the Intel CPU being so power hungry... but still could give you 5-6h which is not too awful, but still for the asking price.. that is low), but it did kick-off strongly with the Pro 2 which was able to correct the problem, and really take off with the Pro 3.

there's less and less innovation in the past decade compared to the 90's, we kinda seem to have slowed down on innovation , i really appreciate MS for trying something new and yeah risks are needed, luckily they're MS. 

[DildorTheDecent]

First page is long af. Looks baller though. 

[8uhbbhu8]

Grooooooan..... I wish I had a computer that could run this and games!!! Looks like it will be an amazing OS to use. If the rumors about Edge being better then chrome are true i would definitely switch once i can use windows 10.

 

The hololens is awesome!! Although I have to say that it is just way to bulky right now to be practical. The render shows it as much thinner then the actual picture of the guy wearing it. Once it gets to be at least that thin I would want to have it. Hopefully it will get to that before its official launch.

 

Any way great job reporting on this GoodBytes.

[dmegatool]

Any news on Edge being cross platform ? I didn't see anything but if this thing is Windows only, I won't be using it. That's the exact reason why I'm not using Safari right now... It's my favorite browser but there's no way I'm gonna manage my bookmarks and schnitzel in 2 places. 

[GoodBytes]

Windows 10 only (this includes all editions/versions of Windows 10 that can run Universal Apps. So Windows 10 for phone, and while not explicitly said, Windows 10 IoT, HoloLens, and so on)

Basically, Edge is a Universal App, so it runs on anything that can run Universal Apps. So Windows 10. Will there be specifically build Android and iOS version on day? Maybe, but I think Microosft is busy finishing off Edge first. It has A LOT of work to be done, and already add-on support will be released after Windows 10 is released. It won't make it on day 1.