Experiences with 1440p/4K

[Tadgh]

Dear people using 1440p or 4K,

 

What's it like on 27-32" monitors? At what point do you think resolution will stop mattering on PC monitors? 

 

27" ultrawide 4K 1ms Freesync 144Hz IPS panel ples now sumbdy.

[Si3Rra_7]

I got a 1440p bl2710pt , mainly for rpg and fps gaming , enemies are easier too see and , and far objects clearer . That being said i had a 21.5 inch monitor before so the difference was huge for me . 

 

I don't think resolutions past 5k matter at the 27-32 inch form factor , in VR headsets it might but we shall see. 

[ShadowCaptain]

1440p 27" is really sharp, and very clear, its hard to see any pixelation at this size - 4k IS sharper at 27" size but 1440p is not bad at all - 4k is just too hard to run and no 144hz options 

 

but yeah mostly 4k gives more work space but 1440p I think is the best option for gaming

[Tadgh]

I got a 1440p bl2710pt , mainly for rpg and fps gaming , enemies are easier too see and , and far objects clearer . That being said i had a 21.5 inch monitor before so the difference was huge for me . 

 

I don't think resolutions past 5k matter at the 27-32 inch form factor , in VR headsets it might but we shall see. 

That's interesting, I'm using a 21.5 myself, no money for monitor upgrades rn, but sometime within this year I'd like to. 

I'd have to agree, above a PPI of about 150 at standard viewing distance seems to be unimportant.

[Tadgh]

1440p 27" is really sharp, and very clear, its hard to see any pixelation at this size - 4k IS sharper at 27" size but 1440p is not bad at all - 4k is just too hard to run and no 144hz options 

 

but yeah mostly 4k gives more work space but 1440p I think is the best option for gaming

Is the workspace handy?

Would you choose 4K 27" or 1440p 27"? Price and ease of... Pixel pushing included. Is the 4K workspace that useful?

[ShadowCaptain]

Is the workspace handy?

Would you choose 4K 27" or 1440p 27"? Price and ease of... Pixel pushing included. Is the 4K workspace that useful?

 

since I already have a 27" 1440p monitor I think that answers it , gaming is too hard on 4k, so for me 1440p is the sweet spot

 

4k in the future 100% though

[Si3Rra_7]

That's interesting, I'm using a 21.5 myself, no money for monitor upgrades rn, but sometime within this year I'd like to. 

I'd have to agree, above a PPI of about 150 at standard viewing distance seems to be unimportant.

i'd also like to add that you'll never be able to watch videos fullscreen on youtube , because 1080p doesn't look good on 1440p monitors , and YT videos rarely go to 1440p . What i did is put my 21.5 inch on the side and enjoy videos on that screen while i browse or play games on the 1440p one . Browsing experience got a bit worse but that's the site's fault , but windows scales nicely. If you use half of your screen for something and the other half for something else it's handy because it's basically two 720p monitors so no wierd browser side scrolling .

[Tadgh]

since I already have a 27" 1440p monitor I think that answers it , gaming is too hard on 4k, so for me 1440p is the sweet spot

 

4k in the future 100% though

Gotta agree, thinking of going 1440p soon myself. When do you recon 4K will become a viable alternative?

[Tadgh]

i'd also like to add that you'll never be able to watch videos fullscreen on youtube , because 1080p doesn't look good on 1440p monitors , and YT videos rarely go to 1440p . What i did is put my 21.5 inch on the side and enjoy videos on that screen while i browse or play games on the 1440p one .

Well, while my generic 21.5"s are terrible, they'll be staying for a triple monitor setup - but don't worry, where I live you can't watch YT videos in more than 480p anyway

[ShadowCaptain]

Gotta agree, thinking of going 1440p soon myself. When do you recon 4K will become a viable alternative?

 

When a single mid/high end GPU can run it well at high settings 60fps

[Aphala]

Gotta agree, thinking of going 1440p soon myself. When do you recon 4K will become a viable alternative?

It is if you have the coin to back it up, you can run most games with high end cards without much trouble bar AAA because they usually run like tosh.

[Tadgh]

It is if you have the coin to back it up, you can run most games with high end cards without much trouble bar AAA because they usually run like tosh.

I've always felt like ultrawide is the way to go for gaming, but then like, at 4K ultrawide you're talking 150%(or something) pixels to push. If two titans in SLI will do GTA V well with no AA (Not that AA should be necessary in 4K) then it kinda feels like you've only gotta wait for the next few big releases till you're having to turn down textures. Imagine it in ultrawide, you've got even less leeway! 

Besides, again, the ideal monitor IMO would be ultrawide, supporting FreeSync in a bracket of 30-144FPS, IPS or OLED, 4/5K, with 1ms response. Not to be overly optimistic but it seems like if I gave it 5 years there might be a similar option on the market. For now I think I'll upgrade to a 1440p IPS Ultrawide and wait for the dream monitor <3

[Sotti]

8K is around the corner and probably will become an standard in the next years just after 4k.

 

Now 4k is starting the rise to become an standard. This could take up to 5 years to have most of people with 4K monitors.

 

I ended up with a Dell U2713HM (1440P) and just bought a Dell P2715Q (4K).

 

Gaming at 1440p is hard with my rig (4770k + 780SC SLI) so I'm stick with 1440p for gaming now. I'll start to make some test to see how much I have to lower the settings in my games to get the 60fps but I guess I won't use the 4K monitor till I update my GPUs... so no before next summer. And even with the next iteration of NVIDIA top notch (1080 or whatever is called) I'm not sure I'm gonna be able to do it at 60fps maxed out. It's true at 4K I won't need much AA but who knows.

 

Regarding your question, depends on the size of the screen. 1440p at 24" probably is crisper than 4K at 46", and then you have the distance view... so is very relative.

 

When the resolution rising will stop?? Probably when is so high everyone agrees on call if "Infinite resolution", this is everyscreen is above 1000ppi. What resolution is this? Well depends on the screen size but in a 5" mobile screen you have to go above 4K... So I can see TVs much higher than 8K not too far. Japan already has some emissions at 8K resolution.

[Aphala]

I've always felt like ultrawide is the way to go for gaming, but then like, at 4K ultrawide you're talking 150%(or something) pixels to push. If two titans in SLI will do GTA V well with no AA (Not that AA should be necessary in 4K) then it kinda feels like you've only gotta wait for the next few big releases till you're having to turn down textures. Imagine it in ultrawide, you've got even less leeway! 

Besides, again, the ideal monitor IMO would be ultrawide, supporting FreeSync in a bracket of 30-144FPS, IPS or OLED, 4/5K, with 1ms response. Not to be overly optimistic but it seems like if I gave it 5 years there might be a similar option on the market. For now I think I'll upgrade to a 1440p IPS Ultrawide and wait for the dream monitor <3

Freesync 4K  1ms GTG would make my year! Ultrawide for me is more of a workstation thing but 4K UW would looke sexy and hell 8K is just around the corner with Samsung apparently pushing to get it on the market at some point within the next 2 years 1080p is the new 720p where everything inbetween 1080p > 8K is now the main market or will be once 1080p is drop kicked out of the picture and eventually 4K will be booted out of the way don't expect 10k/16K for the next 8 years or so (Ain't nobody got time fo dat!).

[guy-incognito]

1440p on 27" is a very good compromise between sharpness and performance requirements. (And currently the highest possible resolution for 144 Hz.)

 

But don't be fooled: pixels are still very visible and anti-aliasing is still very necessary.

The resolution is 109 ppi, which is only about 20% more than a common 1080p 24" monitor has (92 ppi).

 

A 28" 4K monitor has 157 ppi, which is a whole new level of sharpness. In my opinion, THIS is the point where resolution is high enough. You almost don't need anti-aliasing anymore, and pixels are barely noticable if you sit like half a meter away from the screen.

[Tadgh]

8K is around the corner and probably will become an standard in the next years just after 4k.

 

Now 4k is starting the rise to become an standard. This could take up to 5 years to have most of people with 4K monitors.

 

I ended up with a Dell U2713HM (1440P) and just bought a Dell P2715Q (4K).

 

Gaming at 1440p is hard with my rig (4770k + 780SC SLI) so I'm stick with 1440p for gaming now. I'll start to make some test to see how much I have to lower the settings in my games to get the 60fps but I guess I won't use the 4K monitor till I update my GPUs... so no before next summer. And even with the next iteration of NVIDIA top notch (1080 or whatever is called) I'm not sure I'm gonna be able to do it at 60fps maxed out. It's true at 4K I won't need much AA but who knows.

 

Regarding your question, depends on the size of the screen. 1440p at 24" probably is crisper than 4K at 46", and then you have the distance view... so is very relative.

 

When the resolution rising will stop?? Probably when is so high everyone agrees on call if "Infinite resolution", this is everyscreen is above 1000ppi. What resolution is this? Well depends on the screen size but in a 5" mobile screen you have to go above 4K... So I can see TVs much higher than 8K not too far. Japan already has some emissions at 8K resolution.

Well that relativity is the factor to watch. Relatively, at 160ish PPI I find it very difficult to tell differences in Screen res at half a meter. So if I want 27-30" ultrawide, and I get reference colour reproduction, along with 160ish PPI, 1ms response, some adaptive synch variation - that's the point where I can stop looking for resolution bumps, I would think. (ofc there's also the whole shiny new things problem, I'd probably upgrade at some point, but yanno - it'd be ideal).

 

For most intents and purposes my speculation just revolves around planning for the future so I don't spend a fuck tonne of money on little incrimental upgrades. Also out of pure interest, like the availability of OLED displays.

While we're on the topic of dsplay technology, anybody here used VR? Is pixel peeping a problem on VR Headsets? What about the refresh rate?

[Tadgh]

Freesync 4K  1ms GTG would make my year! Ultrawide for me is more of a workstation thing but 4K UW would looke sexy and hell 8K is just around the corner with Samsung apparently pushing to get it on the market at some point within the next 2 years 1080p is the new 720p where everything inbetween 1080p > 8K is now the main market or will be once 1080p is drop kicked out of the picture and eventually 4K will be booted out of the way don't expect 10k/16K for the next 8 years or so (Ain't nobody got time fo dat!).

It would make mine too, if I saw a monitor of that spec I would have to buy it, with or without the power to game on it - I could work up to that. 8K. Eghhhhh, that's soo many PPI though, nice if you sit up close, not so much so from normal sitting distance.. Jesus, I only worked my way up to 1080 last year .-. FML. I think I could only really uprade from my dream 4K when 16K is reached Then you're REALLY pixel peeping and I'd just need to take care of that one monitor as well as I could

P.S. Ultrawide gaming? Fuck yes, looks amazing. I do video work and I'm sure the workspace is nice for editing, but I want my immmeerrrsiooon

[Tadgh]

1440p on 27" is a very good compromise between sharpness and performance requirements. (And currently the highest possible resolution for 144 Hz.)

 

But don't be fooled: pixels are still very visible and anti-aliasing is still very necessary.

The resolution is 109 ppi, which is only about 20% more than a common 1080p 24" monitor has (92 ppi).

 

A 28" 4K monitor has 157 ppi, which is a whole new level of sharpness. In my opinion, THIS is the point where resolution is high enough. You almost don't need anti-aliasing anymore, and pixels are barely noticable if you sit like half a meter away from the screen.

Good to know, just hypothesising I kinda figure that's where you really get into diminishing returns territory..

 

It always kinda baffled me that 4K is quite so drastically ahead of 1440p, monitor technology seems to evolve in the strangest ways..

[Aphala]

Good to know, just hypothesising I kinda figure that's where you really get into diminishing returns territory..

 

It always kinda baffled me that 4K is quite so drastically ahead of 1440p, monitor technology seems to evolve in the strangest ways..

 

Exactly...it's like SLOW DOWN! MY WALLET CAN'T HANDLE THIS! Best part is it's only going to get better and cheaper (Well I hope)...

[Tadgh]

Exactly...it's like SLOW DOWN! MY WALLET CAN'T HANDLE THIS! Best part is it's only going to get better and cheaper (Well I hope)...

My current monitors are TERRIBLE.. Buuut I'm thinking of waiting, and skipping 1440p and going straight to 4k now just gotta wait a year for monitor technology to catch up..

[guy-incognito]

I will switch to 4K when its two main drawbacks (imho) are sorted out:

 

1. The 60 Hz limit: I don't want to go back from 120/144 Hz to 60... no way..

2. Scaling in Windows. I hope Windows 10 will fix this for good (or the developers of applications that don't support scaling properly, get it sorted out...)

 

Until then, 1440p is where I want to be

 

(Bonus point 3.: when I can afford powerful enough graphics card(s) )

[Tadgh]

I will switch to 4K when its two main drawbacks (imho) are sorted out:

 

1. The 60 Hz limit: I don't want to go back from 120/144 Hz to 60... no way..

2. Scaling in Windows. I hope Windows 10 will fix this for good (or the developers of applications that don't support scaling properly, get it sorted out...)

 

Until then, 1440p is where I want to be

 

(Bonus point 3.: when I can afford powerful enough graphics card(s) )

You know you're an enthusiast when.

I love you attitude, and I have to agree, I'm working on it though! I reckon our qualms will be sorted by 2017 Maybe even adaptive sync!

[Aphala]

My current monitors are TERRIBLE.. Buuut I'm thinking of waiting, and skipping 1440p and going straight to 4k now just gotta wait a year for monitor technology to catch up..

 

I have some 9 year old PnP Generic beaster that runs @ 75hz - 1440x900 (I don't even....) and a Genetic IPS 60hz 1920x1080. I may get a 4K monior once I get enough savings (Around £1000 for a monitor + R9 3XX GPU) But I may hold off for a high end £800+ 4K monitor comes along better panels

[Tim Drake]

I would love to try a 1440p monitor so bad but I don't want to give up my sexy ass refresh rate <3

[Tadgh]

I have some 9 year old PnP Generic beaster that runs @ 75hz - 1440x900 (I don't even....) and a Genetic IPS 60hz 1920x1080. I may get a 4K monior once I get enough savings (Around £1000 for a monitor + R9 3XX GPU) But I may hold off for a high end £800+ 4K monitor comes along better panels

 

I've seen plenty of 1440x900 in my time, but 75Hz? Nice, what difference do those extra 15FPS make? . Yeah I would need a lot of money again to move up.. I'm probably gonna wait a little. But tbh I'd kill for an IPS panel, the worst thing about my two TNs is that at 21.5" and 1080p, they have a horrific blue tint that can't really be corrected (yes, I've done the color temps and all) - all of the colors are weak af. I notice that and I'm colorblind. HML

I would love to try a 1440p monitor so bad but I don't want to give up my sexy ass refresh rate <3

How much difference does the refresh rate make? I mean I've heard it's impressive but I've never used a +60Hz panel :///