U.K. Politicians Want to Ban Anonymous Porn-Surfing

[ObeseWalrus]

*insert religious rant covering for people being uncomfortable talking about that stuff*

 

That's why^

Yes. 

[iMikeTheKing]

Why is the UK having a war on porn?

[Michael McAllister]

Regardless of all that, leaving porn aside, it does seem like a lot of parents just

aren't fulfilling their duties towards their children anymore, either because they

can't, or because the just won't. It really doesn't matter how many people cry about

parents' rights being interferred with when there are apparently a significant number

of parents who do indeed not take proper care of their children.

 

Here's a thought.  People who are not interested in raising kids should not have any.  It's that simple.  There's nothing wrong with choosing not to have kids.  Kids are a lot of work, and it is incorrect for society to pretend otherwise.

[SImoHayha]

Come to the U.S were we don't have bullshit internet laws like U.K and Australia. We will only screw you over with prices.

[alpenwasser]

Here's a thought.  People who are not interested in raising kids should not have any.  It's that simple.  There's nothing wrong with choosing not to have kids.  Kids are a lot of work, and it is incorrect for society to pretend otherwise.

True, but raising a kid takes a lot of time, it can happen that circumstances change,

or that parents just change their minds. Not to forget that many people who don't want

children end up neither aborting nor giving them up for adoption for one reason or another,

so parents and offspring are stuck together.

And then of course there's the issue of people who aren't too bright often overestimating

their own abilities, so they might not realise what they're getting into with regards

to having kids.

I do agree, it would be a lot better if the stigma some seem to associate with childless

people were to disappear. I most likely will never have kids, and I certainly see nothing

wrong with other people who make the same decision, women or men.

We could of course start issuing licenses to people who want to have kids, and not allow

just anyone to breed, but to be honest, I have not come across any practical solutions

for that which would not end up in a eugenics nightmare, so maybe we best stay away from

that for now.

[Michael McAllister]

True, but raising a kid takes a lot of time, it can happen that circumstances change,

or that parents just change their minds. Not to forget that many people who don't want

children end up neither aborting nor giving them up for adoption for one reason or another,

so parents and offspring are stuck together.

And then of course there's the issue of people who aren't too bright often overestimating

their own abilities, so they might not realise what they're getting into with regards

to having kids.

I do agree, it would be a lot better if the stigma some seem to associate with childless

people were to disappear. I most likely will never have kids, and I certainly see nothing

wrong with other people who make the same decision, women or men.

We could of course start issuing licenses to people who want to have kids, and not allow

just anyone to breed, but to be honest, I have not come across any practical solutions

for that which would not end up in a eugenics nightmare, so maybe we best stay away from

that for now.

 

People who do not consider abortion probably do not do so because of a couple of reasons.  Firstly, there is religious pressure not to because of the 'life begins at conception' argument.  If a woman is made to feel as though she committed a heinous crime, why would she risk being ostracized by her social circle?

 

Adoption is not stigmatized as much, however, there is the chance that the child could end up in a very rough situation.  Foster children can be moved from foster home to foster home.  They never really have a static figure to imbue a proper idea of morality and/or structure into them.

[alpenwasser]

People who do not consider abortion probably do not do so because of a couple of reasons.  Firstly, there is religious pressure not to because of the 'life begins at conception' argument.  If a woman is made to feel as though she committed a heinous crime, why would she risk being ostracized by her social circle?

 

Adoption is not stigmatized as much, however, there is the chance that the child could end up in a very rough situation.  Foster children can be moved from foster home to foster home.  They never really have a static figure to imbue a proper idea of morality and/or structure into them.

Yes, by "for one reason or another" I primarily meant "I'm too lazy

to type out a long list of reasons", not necessarily that it was a

mystery to me.

But yes, the reasons you've stated would be good candidates for such

a list.

[mr moose]

Except their definition of "violent porn" also include things which are completely consensual, and things which aren't "violent" at all.

Here are some of them:

• Spanking
• Caning
• Aggressive whipping
• Penetration by any object "associated with violence"
• Physical or verbal abuse (regardless of  if consensual)
• Urolagnia (known as "water sports")
• Role-playing as non-adults
• Physical restraint
• Humiliation
• Female ejaculation
• Strangulation
• Facesitting
• Fisting

 

 

At the risk of sounding like a pedo/defending pedos, I can totally understand why some people find underage people attractive. There is a pretty good documentary called "are all men pedophiles" or something along those lines. It looks at the modeling industry and how old fashion models are. A lot of them are in the 14-15 year old range, but with some makeup and good lighting they are more attractive than a lot of older models (the modeling industry is pretty fucked up in a lot of ways, but it tells a lot about what we as humans prefer). Biologically speaking, it is perfectly natural to prefer people on the younger side as well (the older the woman is, the less fertile they are).

 

I do think it's really strange that most countries has the age of consent at ~15, but photos/videos of anyone below 18 is child porn though...

Fucking a 15 year old = totally okay.

Having a nude picture of a 17 year old he/she willingly sent you = you become a registered sex offended and can be put in jail.

 

I am not saying we should protect pedos (especially not like the UK does it) but I think there are problems on the opposite side as well. I mean, we got ~12 year old little boys becoming registered sex offenders because some girl "sexted" him a picture of herself. I think we need a reform on the law so we made it more strict in some areas, and looser in some.

 

Anyway back on topic, the UK is becoming more and more fucked up for each passing day...

 

There is research out there (even as far back as 2005) that shows a physiological difference in the brains of pedophiles and normal hetero/homo sexual men.  There is a specific dysfunction in the frontal cortex that correlates to sexual impulses that would otherwise be protective impulses, I.E when normal persons sees a young girl their primary urge is to protect them, whilst a pedophiles primary urge is a sexual one akin to seeing a girl of the same age). It is speculated that this could be congenital or it could have occurred during early brain development as a result of being abused themselves.

 

 

 

In short pedophilia is shaping up to be a biological condition and not a lack of control or something that "all" men are.

 

http://www.journalofpsychiatricresearch.com/article/S0022-3956%2806%2900116-6/abstract?cc=y

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00223980009600863#.VSL8l-EmOVI

[LAwLz]

There is research out there (even as far back as 2005) that shows a physiological difference in the brains of pedophiles and normal hetero/homo sexual men.  There is a specific dysfunction in the frontal cortex that correlates to sexual impulses that would otherwise be protective impulses, I.E when normal persons sees a young girl their primary urge is to protect them, whilst a pedophiles primary urge is a sexual one akin to seeing a girl of the same age). It is speculated that this could be congenital or it could have occurred during early brain development as a result of being abused themselves.

 

 

 

In short pedophilia is shaping up to be a biological condition and not a lack of control or something that "all" men are.

 

http://www.journalofpsychiatricresearch.com/article/S0022-3956(06)00116-6/abstract?cc=y

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00223980009600863#.VSL8l-EmOVI

Very interesting

 

It's a shame that it is so stigmatized because I think that is one of the major reasons there is so little research about it (even writing about it makes me feel a bit uncomfortable). I can't view the full documents but maybe you know the answer, do those studies include hebephilia (early pubescent, around age 11-14) and ephebophilia (late adolescene, around age 15-19)?

The documentary I mentioned earlier mainly focused on hebephilia and it brought up some pretty good points. Not sure how much in it is true but I got a lot more open minded about it after watching it. I think I saw it on NetFlix if anyone wants to check it out.

 

Sorry for derailing the thread.

[KirbyTech]

There is this thing called a credit card and children can't get those so if they require a credit card and a scan of some other form of ID to view porn on the web I am fine with it. It is good to see some people in the world have morals and are thinking of children. I am beginning to think I should move to the UK as it seems like they have more common sense than the politicians in North America and many of the people on these message boards for sure.

So you want to give your credit card information to a porn website? 

[KirbyTech]

There is research out there (even as far back as 2005) that shows a physiological difference in the brains of pedophiles and normal hetero/homo sexual men.  There is a specific dysfunction in the frontal cortex that correlates to sexual impulses that would otherwise be protective impulses, I.E when normal persons sees a young girl their primary urge is to protect them, whilst a pedophiles primary urge is a sexual one akin to seeing a girl of the same age). It is speculated that this could be congenital or it could have occurred during early brain development as a result of being abused themselves.

 

 

 

In short pedophilia is shaping up to be a biological condition and not a lack of control or something that "all" men are.

 

http://www.journalofpsychiatricresearch.com/article/S0022-3956%2806%2900116-6/abstract?cc=y

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00223980009600863#.VSL8l-EmOVI

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[mr moose]

Very interesting

 

It's a shame that it is so stigmatized because I think that is one of the major reasons there is so little research about it (even writing about it makes me feel a bit uncomfortable). I can't view the full documents but maybe you know the answer, do those studies include hebephilia (early pubescent, around age 11-14) and ephebophilia (late adolescene, around age 15-19)?

The documentary I mentioned earlier mainly focused on hebephilia and it brought up some pretty good points. Not sure how much in it is true but I got a lot more open minded about it after watching it. I think I saw it on NetFlix if anyone wants to check it out.

 

Sorry for derailing the thread.

 

What do you mean by stigma?  do you meant the inability for pedophiles who haven't committed any crime to get help without being treated as criminals?

[Michael McAllister]

What do you mean by stigma?  do you meant the inability for pedophiles who haven't committed any crime to get help without being treated as criminals?

 

That would be my guess.

[mr moose]

That would be my guess.

I don't see how it effects research though.  It's not like someones brain or condition changes that dramatically due to offending. 

 

 

I found another article that people can read the whole thing.

 

 

Caution though, if you are easily confused with psycho-bable it's probably best you don't read it and just keep an open mind. 

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDQQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fojs.library.ubc.ca%2Findex.php%2Fubcujp%2Farticle%2Fdownload%2F2500%2F182436&ei=EUojVYLxPOTDmQWyqYHYAw&usg=AFQjCNFfjsIRmFFndoEKvHfLSfs9gNn3oQ&bvm=bv.89947451,d.dGY

[Michael McAllister]

I don't see how it effects research though.  It's not like someones brain or condition changes that dramatically due to offending. 

 

 

I found another article that people can read the whole thing.

 

 

Caution though, if you are easily confused with psycho-bable it's probably best you don't read it and just keep an open mind. 

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDQQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fojs.library.ubc.ca%2Findex.php%2Fubcujp%2Farticle%2Fdownload%2F2500%2F182436&ei=EUojVYLxPOTDmQWyqYHYAw&usg=AFQjCNFfjsIRmFFndoEKvHfLSfs9gNn3oQ&bvm=bv.89947451,d.dGY

 

Very rarely does public opinion change because of research — especially in regards to such a taboo subject.  Public opinion will always have the last say no matter how much research says otherwise.

[That Norwegian Guy]

Just waiting for UK ISPs to finally have enough of these squirtstains, in every "proposal" they make they are offloading the actual work to ISPs, do they think ISPs run on magic fairy dust and a workforce of elves?

 

Also, the UK has zero authority of websites outside of the UK. They can block then and that's all they can do.

[Bensemus]

Very interesting

 

It's a shame that it is so stigmatized because I think that is one of the major reasons there is so little research about it (even writing about it makes me feel a bit uncomfortable). I can't view the full documents but maybe you know the answer, do those studies include hebephilia (early pubescent, around age 11-14) and ephebophilia (late adolescene, around age 15-19)?

The documentary I mentioned earlier mainly focused on hebephilia and it brought up some pretty good points. Not sure how much in it is true but I got a lot more open minded about it after watching it. I think I saw it on NetFlix if anyone wants to check it out.

 

Sorry for derailing the thread.

I was manually combing through the documentaries on Netflix looking for on on the melt down of the Japanese reactor and noticed that. I was kinda interested in what it had to say on the topic as like you said it's a very touchy subject that can't really be broached in any way without making it look like you may be interested in it.

[ShadowCaptain]

Why am I not surprised this is in the UK (the world champions of surveillance)

 

True

I live about 2 miles away from this -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_Menwith_Hill

[LAwLz]

What do you mean by stigma?  do you meant the inability for pedophiles who haven't committed any crime to get help without being treated as criminals?

Stigma might not have been the right word. I guess taboo is closer to what I meant.

I meant that there seems to be social/cultural barriers which prevent proper and extensive research from being done and then have the research verified and spread.

An example would be my post a few pages back when I mentioned the documentary talking about 14 year old models. I couldn't remember if 14 was the age and when I am unsure about something I usually double check. I share NetFlix account with the rest of my family and thought "I better not double check, they will see that I looked into pedophilia and they might jump to the wrong conclusions".

 

I'd rather have my family walk in on me watching porn than them walking in on me researching pedophilia. It's like Bensemus said:

I was kinda interested in what it had to say on the topic as like you said it's a very touchy subject that can't really be broached in any way without making it look like you may be interested in it.

That's what I meant.

 

 

I found another article that people can read the whole thing.

 

Caution though, if you are easily confused with psycho-bable it's probably best you don't read it and just keep an open mind. 

<Very long link>

Thanks for the link. I might read it later but I probably won't understand the psycho-bable.

[mr moose]

Stigma might not have been the right word. I guess taboo is closer to what I meant.

I meant that there seems to be social/cultural barriers which prevent proper and extensive research from being done and then have the research verified and spread.

An example would be my post a few pages back when I mentioned the documentary talking about 14 year old models. I couldn't remember if 14 was the age and when I am unsure about something I usually double check. I share NetFlix account with the rest of my family and thought "I better not double check, they will see that I looked into pedophilia and they might jump to the wrong conclusions".

 

I'd rather have my family walk in on me watching porn than them walking in on me researching pedophilia. It's like Bensemus said:

That's what I meant.

 

 

Thanks for the link. I might read it later but I probably won't understand the psycho-bable.

 

I think I understand what you are saying.  It's not that much of a concern for me because I work with children as does my wife, searching and learning about these things is part of professional development.  

[DeViLzzz]

So you want to give your credit card information to a porn website? 

There is a thing called consumer protection.  Also who is to say porn websites are not legit businesses?  

[FabulousOtter]

*Sigh* 

 

Roll on 7th May

[KirbyTech]

There is a thing called consumer protection.  Also who is to say porn websites are not legit businesses?  

I am not saying they are not legit businesses, just don't feel like giving credit card info or any to anyone unless it is needed. In the case mentioned above there is no needed. 

[Thony]

They are so vncerned about children, yet they have no problem with meeting a highschool girls for one purpose...

Not everybody but few.

Wonder how the age verification would work. They gonna ask for a copy of my ID every time I visit ? They gonna make a database and list of who uses the connection for each household ?