Official Nvidia GTX 970 Discussion Thread

[Liam-McShane]

just check benchmarks... 4K is too much for the 970s now. and check crysis3 for the future

I'm not so sure about that. 2-way SLI at 4K performs pretty well. As you said though, 4GB of VRAM still isn't used.

 

 

 

 

 

[LukaP]

I would put it this way: people are upset because we know now and not back then.

but what does that change? youve known the benchmarks, and as a consumer its all you need. You dont care if you achieve those benchmarks with 1 cuda core and 1kb of ram, or 4098 cuda cores and 8GB of HBM, it still performs the same. 

 

you all started suddenly looking at the card from an expert like low level view, while 99% of you should stay in the high level consumer view and realise nothing has changed

[79wjd]

i will say forever, because 1440p is only so many pixels, and you will optimise your textures to suit it, and not load 8k maps into your vRAM when you will never be able to see those pixels

Optimization is the key word. Theres also no reason for games to be 50gb large, but storage/RAM/VRAM is cheaper than the labor proper optimization would cost.

Really? Your argument is that future proofing is for morons. Not everyone wants to buy a new GPU every year or two.

Yes as theres no such thing as future proofing. 

 

/not that you'll read this since you've ignored me. Oh well, have fun being ignorant I guess. 

 

I'm not so sure about that. 2-way SLI at 4K performs pretty well. As you said though, 4GB of VRAM still isn't used.

 

 

 

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Those don't show minimums though. Average FPS is a very misleading thing. Plus 45 fps in a twitch shooter is kind bad :unsure:

Not to mention those are recent games where it's already "struggling".

[LukaP]

Really? Your argument is that future proofing is for morons. Not everyone wants to buy a new GPU every year or two.

it is when you dont check how the product performs. its like when i bought a 770 in january last year and would now complain that its not a good card for 1440p... but i checked benchmarks and knew what i was buying. youre trying to futureproof with a card not meant for that

 

I'm not so sure about that. 2-way SLI at 4K performs pretty well. As you said though, 4GB of VRAM still isn't used.

 

i meant in the future. check crysis 3 benchmarks (or far cry 4)

[SteveGrabowski]

Yes as theres no such thing as future proofing. 

 

If there is no such thing as future proofing, why did you buy an i5-4690k to run a single 780? Most people seem to buy unlocked i5's so they can overclock them to compete with future Intel releases. Why did you get one though?

[79wjd]

If there is no such thing as future proofing, why did you buy an i5-4690k to run a single 780? Most people seem to buy unlocked i5's so they can overclock them to compete with future Intel releases. Why did you get one though?

Because it actually does make a difference in some games -- such as BF4.

 

GPUs also grow in power much faster than CPUs. CPUs are only about 30% faster than they were almost five years ago, and a lot of that 30% increase in performance can be made up for by overclocking). The same is certainly not true for GPUs, which can easily jump 20%+ between generations.

[LukaP]

If there is no such thing as future proofing, why did you buy an i5-4690k to run a single 780? Most people seem to buy unlocked i5's so they can overclock them to compete with future Intel releases. Why did you get one though?

because there is fun in overclocking. why buy a 4790k when even if you get it to 4.8GHz that is still not a perciavable change over the default 4.1. because its fun

[SteveGrabowski]

Because it actually does make a difference in some games -- such as BF4. 

 

You're getting CPU bound with a single 780?

[SteveGrabowski]

because there is fun in overclocking. why buy a 4790k when even if you get it to 4.8GHz that is still not a perciavable change over the default 4.1. because its fun

 

No there isn't, I thought it's all about performance and framerates?

[LukaP]

You're getting CPU bound with a single 780?

in BF4 you can get, if you take a i3 versus an i5 since that game runs >4 strong threads

[LukaP]

No there isn't, I thought it's all about performance and framerates?

then you are a moron... oh wait

 

of course its for the fun of it. an enthusiast is ENTHUSIASTIC about the hardware. and that means he likes to have fun with it. 

[79wjd]

You're getting CPU bound with a single 780?

GPUs also grow in power much faster than CPUs. CPUs are only about 30% faster than they were almost five years ago, and a lot of that 30% increase in performance can be made up for by overclocking). The same is certainly not true for GPUs, which can easily jump 20%+ between generations.

 

I'm also pushing a 144hz monitor and I have second 780 I'll throw in whenever I stop being lazy/decide to bring it from my other system. So yes, overclocking will actually help. 

[SteveGrabowski]

GPUs also grow in power much faster than CPUs. CPUs are only about 30% faster than they were almost five years ago, and a lot of that 30% increase in performance can be made up for by overclocking). The same is certainly not true for GPUs, which can easily jump 20%+ between generations.

 

And I have second 780 I'll throw in whenever I stop being lazy/decide to bring it from my other system. 

 

So there is no such thing as future proofing is just tired gamer dogma?

[brownninja97]

honestly i dont care, it still performs pretty well.

[SteveGrabowski]

then you are a moron... oh wait

 

of course its for the fun of it. an enthusiast is ENTHUSIASTIC about the hardware. and that means he likes to have fun with it. 

 

You told me performance is all that matters.

[LukaP]

So there is no such thing as future proofing is just tired gamer dogma?

no, there literally is no such thing. you buy a card because it performs well now, and you know it will only perform worse, come future. if you think you will keep the performance level longer than 3 months, you are a moron... oh wait

[79wjd]

So there is no such thing as future proofing is just tired gamer dogma?

When it comes to GPUs, you can't really future proof. When it comes to more stable hardware -- CPUs, RAM, Monitors, motherboards, etc... then you can. 

 

 

You told me performance is all that matters.

He's talking about something else entirely. A lot of people buy -k chips because they want to push the limits of their overclocking skills. Theres a reason why LN2 overclocking exists -- it's exciting. 

[werto165]

GPUs also grow in power much faster than CPUs. CPUs are only about 30% faster than they were almost five years ago, and a lot of that 30% increase in performance can be made up for by overclocking). The same is certainly not true for GPUs, which can easily jump 20%+ between generations.

 

I'm also pushing a 144hz monitor and I have second 780 I'll throw in whenever I stop being lazy/decide to bring it from my other system. So yes, overclocking will actually help. 

You're too lazy to throw in your second 780? I'd do it immediately, bit of asseto corsa or skyrim would benefit greatly. Well I guess it depends on what games you play, something like CS:GO runs at 250FPS on max settings with my crappy 660ti. 

[SteveGrabowski]

no, there literally is no such thing. you buy a card because it performs well now, and you know it will only perform worse, come future. if you think you will keep the performance level longer than 3 months, you are a moron... oh wait

 

There you go putting words in my mouth again.

[LukaP]

You told me performance is all that matters.

for a consumer. which 95% of sales are. when i build rigs for people, the percentage of them with a K skew in there is <10%. because consumers want a part that works and doesnt break because he fiddled with it. we enthusiasts find it enjoying to fiddle with them a little, to get some extra free performance, which is what matters, but if its fun doing it, all the better

[LukaP]

There you go putting words in my mouth again.

nope, paraphrasing and TLDRing what youre saying here, youre futureproofing with a 970. you are a complete moron

[79wjd]

You're too lazy to throw in your second 780? I'd do it immediately, bit of asseto corsa or skyrim would benefit greatly. Well I guess it depends on what games you play, something like CS:GO runs at 250FPS on max settings with my crappy 660ti. 

Well, lazy is the wrong word.... I have two systems -- one at home and one at school, each with a 780. Right now I'm able to push 90+fps in the games I play on my single 780, so I just assume make my life easy and leave one 780 in each computer. Now, when that starts to not be the case then I'll grab the second 780.

 

I also haven't been playing much else other than Dota, because Dota is a cold-hearted bitch that won't let me leave her alone.

[werto165]

for a consumer. which 95% of sales are. when i build rigs for people, the percentage of them with a K skew in there is <10%. because consumers want a part that works and doesnt break because he fiddled with it. we enthusiasts find it enjoying to fiddle with them a little, to get some extra free performance, which is what matters, but if its fun doing it, all the better

I regret not getting the 3570k, but it was just at a time that I was short on money, so I somewhat cheaped out on the i5 3570 and a crappy cooler. But if I were to buy my PC I'd get an unlocked i5 and a better cooler, need dat performance in 3ds max. 

[LukaP]

I regret not getting the 3570k, but it was just at a time that I was short on money, so I somewhat cheaped out on the i5 3570 and a crappy cooler. But if I were to buy my PC I'd get an unlocked i5 and a better cooler, need dat performance in 3ds max. 

thats different, rendering scales linearly with frequency and cores gaming doesnt really

[Liam-McShane]

 

 

i meant in the future. check crysis 3 benchmarks (or far cry 4)

 

 

 

 

Those don't show minimums though. Average FPS is a very misleading thing. Plus 45 fps in a twitch shooter is kind bad :unsure:

Not to mention those are recent games where it's already "struggling".

Fair enough, is see where you're both coming from.

 

I don't agree with what Nvidia has done. I know it does not affect performance (for the most part). Waiting 3-4 months to correct misinformation is wrong and the claimed bandwidth of the memory is wrong for the .5GB which is false advertising. What is stupid is people thinking it's magically going to make their card worse or worse than what was shown in benchmarks. It will perform the same now as it did back then.

 

I would like to see a small disclaimer for the .5GB on the specs just like there should be about dual GPU cards and their VRAM.