Canadian ISPs and VPNs Now Have to Alert Pirating Customers..

[SkulD]

i see. I dont want to argue, so many people on this forum are just looking for a fight, but I will ask you this:does wanting something justifies stealing?

The thing with netflix is, that we are actually paying for the content, those restrictions are just BS.

[SpaceCore]

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wrong topic

[atomicmonkey101]

The thing with netflix is, that we are actually paying for the content, those restrictions are just BS.

 

so that justifies stealing?

[Guest Strangerbob]

I certainly do. For the ones that aren't up to standard, I vote with my wallet. Not pirate.

 

Must be nice to be rich and spoiled enough to pass judgement on others.

[cooperb21]

So.. we just throw them in trash and never respond and it does not matter?

[rockking1379]

so that justifies stealing?

Yeah it does. They had for the content to be legally viewed. They shot that option down, so fuck em they don't deserve the money and the viewer still should have the content. It's all about distribution and Hollywood sucks at it.

[atomicmonkey101]

The situation isn't so black and white, mind you. There are people who torrent and stream stuff on "illegal" sites that actually own the content they are downloading or streaming. It is about convenience and distribution, not about theft. Should I be sent a notice when I torrent a Linux OS off a site? No, yet I would be. Should I be sent a notice when I torrent copies of a movie or show I already own? No, yet I would be. Should I be given a notice when I upload and download things for my own benefit, namely large collections of hand made graphics or gaming resources? No, yet I would be. And a lot of people torrent games to demo them out. Play for a bit, decide if it is good, delete if they don't or go buy if they do. And another thing people torrent games for is their cracks, even if they actually own the game.

 

But I guess they are all just thieves. It is easy to judge, harder still to understand.

 

 

There is a way to stop pirating but at the expense of people's privacy and freedoms? Hell no.

 

what you have mentioned are all legitatimate things that should change. for example if you purchased a movie as a dvd but cant get it on your computer I think that the distributor should provide an online download for physical purposes. and things that are already free like linux? that is not what I am talking about. and anyways how many people that torrent games to "try them out" actually delete the torrented copy and and buy one from a legitimate distributor? not many I bet.

 

I am not saying that everything torrented is stealing. you misread what I was saying. in this instance I was referring to the illegal download of movies and tv shows and not paying for them. I do however think that a large portion of torrenting/pirating is illegal and should be stopped.

[atomicmonkey101]

Is it stealing no it isn't, if the game had a demo like Trine I would try the demo then decide to pay for the game or not, a lot of people pirate games like a demo provide a demo or a time trail or something and a lot of people would stop pirating, for me I think pirating movies is bad but pirating games isn't bad.

 

but there are still large numbers of people who pirate games and keep them, yes? or is the internet a much nicer place than I thought? Just because some people actually do delete the game and buy a real copy does not mean the service should be provided. developers and publishers should get on the ball and start releasing demos or time trials like you suggested.

[atomicmonkey101]

Yeah it does. They had for the content to be legally viewed. They shot that option down, so fuck em they don't deserve the money and the viewer still should have the content. It's all about distribution and Hollywood sucks at it

 

 

If you want the content that badly then why not find another legitimate way to buy it instead of stealing it? 

[rockking1379]

If you want the content that badly then why not find another legitimate way to buy it instead of stealing it?

Because many times there aren't alternatives. Or they cost far more. Netflix was great. You got lot of content legally viewable for relatively low price. But hollywood didn't like that. It wasn't good enough to get a little bit of money from these viewers, so instead they get none because these people will still watch their content. Just through other illegal means

[IdortMasterRace]

Attacking ships on the high seas, kidnapping and murdering the people on them, is already a grave crime. Fortunately, naval patrols and armed guards on ships have greatly reduced piracy.

[Luke]

I torrented diablo 1 even though i already own it but don't want to install a CD drive in my PC. How long am i going to jail for?

[LOST TALE]

Potential Abuse? Stepehen Harper?

[LOST TALE]

A succesfull kill of VPN industry in Canada

[cooperb21]

So when is the next election and will Liberals or NDP actually stop this bs?

[Ertman]

Indeed. Visiting torrent sites and even downloading copyrighted stuff doesn't mean you're pirating.

I for instance am currently upgrading my entire music collection (all legal, btw) from MP3 to FLAC. I'm just about done ripping my CDs, converting from wav to flac and sorting out all the metadata. (tedious work)

However once all the CDs are done, I'll still be stuck with slightly more than 1300 songs that I bought on iTunes and other online sellers, and those usually only have 192-320kbps MP3/M4A/ogg/other-weird-format versions.

In order to get lossless versions of those songs, I'm going to have to resort to torrenting and downloading from hosting sites commonly used for pirating.

At 30-40MB per song and often having to download entire albums to get one or 2 songs, I'll be downloading several hundred GB of songs in the near future. That would raise some serious red flags and give me loads of infringement notices if the copyright mafia has their way.

However I already paid for the right to listen to the songs and am legally allowed to keep copies (even multiple) for my own use. If I'd have to reply with proof of purchase every single time they'd send me a notice, I'll be busy quite a while longer. It's going to take long enough as is.

umm... I'll only argue the moral, not the legal. You have paid for the right to listen to a song at a given quality. for all those iTunes songs, you have agreed to purchase and listen to them at at the quality given when purchased or supplied through your purchase agreement with Apple, not for a lossless level of quality. For example if one buys a movie on a DVD I understand that persons wish to watch that DVD wherever they want, but this does not give them the right to download a bluray copy or a 4k version in the future, this would be pirating.

[Ertman]

Is it stealing no it isn't, if the game had a demo like Trine I would try the demo then decide to pay for the game or not, a lot of people pirate games like a demo provide a demo or a time trail or something and a lot of people would stop pirating, for me I think pirating movies is bad but pirating games isn't bad.

the share of people that do the above is much smaller than you think.

[Albatross]

what you have mentioned are all legitatimate things that should change. for example if you purchased a movie as a dvd but cant get it on your computer I think that the distributor should provide an online download for physical purposes. and things that are already free like linux? that is not what I am talking about. and anyways how many people that torrent games to "try them out" actually delete the torrented copy and and buy one from a legitimate distributor? not many I bet.

 

I am not saying that everything torrented is stealing. you misread what I was saying. in this instance I was referring to the illegal download of movies and tv shows and not paying for them. I do however think that a large portion of torrenting/pirating is illegal and should be stopped.

 

Linux may be free, but you get hassled by ISPs for downloading them.

 

 And I know lots of people who do torrent to demoLots. Have you ever engaged a torrent community? Or pirates? And then there is the problem of distribution. It is all a lot more complicated than what most anti-piracy people think it is.

[NeatSquidYT]

VPN

[ionbasa]

VPN

More specifically, people should be buying their own cloud instances and run their own private vpn off that instance.

[cesrai]

but there are still large numbers of people who pirate games and keep them, yes? or is the internet a much nicer place than I thought? Just because some people actually do delete the game and buy a real copy does not mean the service should be provided. developers and publishers should get on the ball and start releasing demos or time trials like you suggested.

Yep the large amount of them do what you said, but the way I suggested would lower the pirating of games, another way is free DRM.

[cesrai]

the share of people that do the above is much smaller than you think.

Yeah I figured I think I made them bigger than they are.

[zacRupnow]

How would they know what torrent you download and what one you browse, getting a download seeded to you is anonymous, or would they send the notice if you just visit a site that is known to have copyright contents?

[Albatross]

How would they know what torrent you download and what one you browse, getting a download seeded to you is anonymous, or would they send the notice if you just visit a site that is known to have copyright contents?

 

I was told they can actually see what you are downloading. The name of the file, file size, where you downloaded at etc etc.

[zacRupnow]

I was told they can actually see what you are downloading. The name of the file, file size, where you downloaded at etc etc.

but torrents are seeded and each seed sends scrambled information, your torrent app puts it together, they can monitor the internet connection but if they monitor your computers actions with the information after it is on the PC and not the connection then thats illegal, only the NSA (praise the supreme data overlord) can know all and see all.