Apple wants to kill the normal SIM card (updated to fix a really dumb mistake i made...)

[TroubleKlef]

I've always liked Apple for giving the major carriers the middle finger especially when it came to marking handsets with giant logos (or if they couldn't fit, Galaxy Note 2 on Verizon anyone?).

 

This on the other hand... I quite like sim cards. I've always hated being on Verizon back in the 3G days where you couldn't just swap sims but unless Apple's method works well then this seems like a bad move.

[Sonefiler]

Why isthis such a big deal? I think it would be simpler, we wouldn't have two types of phones for CDMA and GSM, and basically every phone would be unlocked

[Techhog]

Why isthis such a big deal? I think it would be simpler, we wouldn't have two types of phones for CDMA and GSM, and basically every phone would be unlocked

Go back and read my posts. You've just invented a wild fantasy, really. "Every phone will be unlocked" is the most naïve thing I've read in a very long time.

[Psykomantis00]

You don't have to go to the store genius, you can do it from the website like I've done many times to upgrade before. Nothing changes except it would be way easier to do with these new sims. 

Did you read that link? Select carriers, Verizon not participating. So if I'm a Verizon customer, I'm screwed. YES it notes that I can go to a Verizon store and get it activated still, so I can still use my device on their network.

 

BUT WAIT! NOW I HAVE TO GO TO THEIR STORE!

 

 

 

[SuperfastJellyfish]

I don't understand why this is a problem.

[Techhog]

You don't have to go to the store genius, you can do it from the website like I've done many times to upgrade before. Nothing changes except it would be way easier to do with these new sims. 

From the link you gave:

 

 

 

Verizon customers will need to visit Verizon stores to activate cellular service on their devices

 

So, again, if you're not on one of the included carriers, the hassle is increased 10-fold. Switching phones will be even worse since the old phone will need to be deactivated, which also meant that you can never have more than one phone per line. There's no such thing as a perfect solution, and the fact that you are finding 0 flaws in this idea means that you aren't even attempting to scrutinize it. If only Google had done this so you would actually consider pros and cons. 

[Techhog]

I don't understand why this is a problem.

Do you live in the US? If not, you don't see it because you haven't experienced CDMA carriers.

[Psykomantis00]

From the link you gave:

 

 

So, again, if you're not on one of the included carriers, the hassle is increased 10-fold. Switching phones will be even worse since the old phone will need to be deactivated, which also meant that you can never have more than one phone per line. There's no such thing as a perfect solution, and the fact that you are finding 0 flaws in this idea means that you aren't even attempting to scrutinize it. If only Google had done this so you would actually consider pros and cons. 

Oh my fucking god are you really that stupid? You can activate a phone on their website RIGHT NOW. You don't LITERALLY have to go into a physical store. I'm not saying it's a perfect solution, I'm just playing devils advocate a bunch of idiots that don't seem to understand the basics of this technology. I'd be all for it if google would have done it first, but they didn't. You're argument is bad and you should feel bad. 

[Techhog]

Oh my fucking god are you really that stupid? You can activate a phone on their website RIGHT NOW. You don't LITERALLY have to go into a physical store. I'm not saying it's a perfect solution, I'm just playing devils advocate a bunch of idiots that don't seem to understand the basics of this technology. I'd be all for it if google would have done it first, but they didn't. You're argument is bad and you should feel bad. 

You can activate their own CDMA phones on the website right now. This is something different. You're assuming that it'll work the same as phones locked to and sold from Verizon, and you have no basis for that whatsoever. Your argument is invalid until you can find evidence to support it. And no, i don't believe that you'd ignore the possible negatives if any other company had come up with it. You don't see the flaws because you can't see flaws when it comes to Apple.

[martinrox1568]

See below.

 

Closing things off to the consumer, and restricting access and use, are without benefit IMHO. No interchangeable battery, no Micro SD card, and now no SIM card; less is not more.

 

 

Not to mention, with project ARA coming along somewhat nicely, the current crop of phones will hopefully be dead soon.

how are they closing things off? because you can't open a sim tray and lose a sim card?

[Psykomantis00]

You can activate their own CDMA phones on the website right now. This is something different. You're assuming that it'll work the same as phones locked to and sold from Verizon, and you have no basis for that whatsoever. Your argument is invalid until you can find evidence to support it. And no, i don't believe that you'd ignore the possible negatives if any other company had come up with it. You don't see the flaws because you can't see flaws when it comes to Apple.

 

What is your basis against it? What is your argument? This is not something different. This is an easier method to activate phones if the carrier wants to enable it. If not you still can input your own sim and go fuck yourself like you do right now at any verizon store or on their website. This doesn't change that. The simple fact that you can't seem to grasp why this would be a good thing makes me wonder why you're on a tech forum in the first place. I don't see the flaws because there are none. As it's been presented, right now, it's just another option. An easier option, that doesn't have to be implemented if the carrier doesn't want it to be since you can still activate it with another sim if you want. The dumbassery in this thread is unreal. Giving you another option to activate a phone isn't a bad thing and saying I only like it because it's apple is one of the dumbest fucking things you could ever say. 

 

I'm done arguing in this thread. It's obvious that the majority of you can't think for yourself and just assume apple = bad. I can't keep replying to every person saying basically the same shit. If you aren't smart enough to understand this new technology isn't the end of the world and doesn't really change anything since you can still activate it via the carrier like you always have been able to, then you're a fucking moron. 

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[Techhog]

What is your basis against it? What is your argument? This is not something different. This is an easier method to activate phones if the carrier wants to enable it. If not you still can input your own sim and go fuck yourself like you do right now at any verizon store or on their website. This doesn't change that. The simple fact that you can't seem to grasp why this would be a good thing makes me wonder why you're on a tech forum in the first place. I don't see the flaws because there are none. As it's been presented, right now, it's just another option. An easier option, that doesn't have to be implemented if the carrier doesn't want it to be since you can still activate it with another sim if you want. The dumbassery in this thread is unreal. Giving you another option to activate a phone isn't a bad thing and saying I only like it because it's apple is one of the dumbest fucking things you could ever say. 

 

I'm done arguing in this thread. It's obvious that the majority of you can't think for yourself and just assume apple = bad. I can't keep replying to every person saying basically the same shit. If you aren't smart enough to understand this new technology isn't the end of the world and doesn't really change anything since you can still activate it via the carrier like you always have been able to, then you're a fucking moron. 

 

Nothing is perfect, and several legitimate flaws that you haven't refuted have been raised. I've already explained that this isn't about Apple and more about how the rest of the industry will abuse it. You're just too dense to listen. The only possible reason I'd complain less if another company did it is because Apple is the only company with enough influence to make this a standard. This is shit, as you'll see but continue to ignore because you can't admit that Apple would introduce a flawed, anti-consumer idea. The only moron here is you.

[MonkeyFace]

Who needs 4G iPad anymore. Wi-fi is everywhere...Starbucks too. 

[SuperfastJellyfish]

Do you live in the US? If not, you don't see it because you haven't experienced CDMA carriers.

 

We have/had CDMA carriers in Australia. Please explain.

[Techhog]

We have/had CDMA carriers in Australia. Please explain.

Basically, here's the situation with "Apple SIM"

 

* = Assumptions or predictions

 

Pros

• Easier to switch carriers if you're on a supported carrier
• One less physical thing in the device

 

Cons

• Like CDMA, activation is tied to the phone, rather than the SIM. This makes replacing your device a bit harder even if you are on a supported carrier. This one is a bit borderline nowadays though since nano-SIMs are the spawn of Satan... and were also popularized by Apple. Why do we like this company again?
• Replacing your device now has an extra step, due to needing the other device to be deactivated.
• *If your carrier doesn't have roaming agreements, you'll probably need to activate your device at the store of a prepaid carrier when traveling internationally.
• *In countries which don't prohibit it and once other companies start using it, we'll see GSM devices completely locked to a single carrier with no way of switching. Remember that other manufacturers are extremely open to carrier deals. The switch to LTE ending CDMA was set to bring an end to this practice in time, but now it's here permanently.
• Contacts now must be saved via the cloud in order to transfer them
• Smaller carriers will need to make major changes to their systems to accommodate these changes
• Smaller carriers will most likely never be fully supported

 

There are probably more, but I think that enough.

[Trik'Stari]

how are they closing things off? because you can't open a sim tray and lose a sim card?

Right, justify closing off hardware options by insulting the potential customer. (except that I'm not a potential customer, I will never purchase an apple product) great plan.

 

If i'm the type of person changing my SIM card, chances are i'm not stupid enough to lose it. Same goes with the battery, and the Micro SD card that should be behind said battery, you know, technology that other phones have had for almost ten years now.

[MasterRaceFanBoy]

Is not that bad tho, we must move on to a better place and ideas, good for Apple. Some times i wonder where we would be without Apple.

[martinrox1568]

Right, justify closing off hardware options by insulting the potential customer. (except that I'm not a potential customer, I will never purchase an apple product) great plan.

 

If i'm the type of person changing my SIM card, chances are i'm not stupid enough to lose it. Same goes with the battery, and the Micro SD card that should be behind said battery, you know, technology that other phones have had for almost ten years now.

wasn't aware you needed to be aspecialist to get a paper clip and open ur sim tray

[Trik'Stari]

wasn't aware you needed to be aspecialist to get a paper clip and open ur sim tray

Were you aware that older phones didn't need anything more than a finger to take the back off of?

[Voids]

Nothing is perfect, and several legitimate flaws that you haven't refuted have been raised. I've already explained that this isn't about Apple and more about how the rest of the industry will abuse it. You're just too dense to listen. The only possible reason I'd complain less if another company did it is because Apple is the only company with enough influence to make this a standard. This is shit, as you'll see but continue to ignore because you can't admit that Apple would introduce a flawed, anti-consumer idea. The only moron here is you.

 

Im sorry but you just rekt'd that guy so ****ing bad. I quite literally laughed.

[FluffyNuggets]

I doubt this will affect 10% of the people here but yet the reactions are hilarious. If it was Google doing it there would be praise and comments about how they are so great. See apples name attached to it and all of sudden it's the most outrageous crime against mankind.

You guys aren't Jason Bourne. You don't need to swap SIM cards on the fly to avoid being traced. This will have absolutely little impact on anyone so might be time to reevaluate your life.

[Techhog]

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So, sensationalist title is sensationalist. The Apple SIM is literally a multi-carrier SIM card. It's removable. It's also something that's been done before in a less intuitive (but also less restrictive) way. Shocking. Universal SIM cards are a good thing, so as long as it stops there and is never built-in, this is good. If Apple somehow managed to patent a multi-carrier SIM though, something is seriously wrong with the patent system.

[Techhog]

I doubt this will affect 10% of the people here but yet the reactions are hilarious. If it was Google doing it there would be praise and comments about how they are so great. See apples name attached to it and all of sudden it's the most outrageous crime against mankind.

You guys aren't Jason Bourne. You don't need to swap SIM cards on the fly to avoid being traced. This will have absolutely little impact on anyone so might be time to reevaluate your life.

Did you even read any of the arguments against it? Also, you just implied that less than 10% of people here change phones.

 

I want to note that nearly everyone defending it is pulling the Apple hater card and ignoring the actual arguments. Also, read my post above which invalidates your assumption completely. Either way, you're going on my ignore list because you seem like a huge dick.

[Trik'Stari]

I doubt this will affect 10% of the people here but yet the reactions are hilarious. If it was Google doing it there would be praise and comments about how they are so great. See apples name attached to it and all of sudden it's the most outrageous crime against mankind.

You guys aren't Jason Bourne. You don't need to swap SIM cards on the fly to avoid being traced. This will have absolutely little impact on anyone so might be time to reevaluate your life.

No but I might like to expand my memory by having a Micro SD card, or put in an extended life battery, none of which is possible on an apple product.