Xbox One exclusive, sunset overdrive, locked at 900p@30fps

[deathjester]

Meh it is a platformer type game who cares. Platformers on Nintendo do fine at crap resolutions. 

 

30 FPS on Forza? That would drive me crazy. I think that is the bigger story. I would rather not play a racing game at all than play one at 30 fps. Driving games just feel wrong at 30 fps. Games like Watch Dogs or Sunset I don't care much. Dark Souls it was big but that is because Dark Souls was hard and not really forgiving. A steady 60 fps was nice in the game. 

 

You'd have to spend a minimum of 2 Grand on the PC to drive 4K at high detail at 40fps or more. And is there really a decent 4K monitor for only $550 now?

 

Depends on the game/settings. Titanfall would prob run at 4k on a 330 dollar GTX 970 with a I5 k with a cheapo z97 MB, a rinky dink PSU and would surpass XB1 settings. The GPU is 1.31 TFLOPS with the Kinect off. You are looking at a AMD 7770 in performance. PS4 is like a OC 7790. Pre 790 yeah it was a bit more expensive, but these cards are going to drop like crazy. What are we going to see the r9 290 at soon? Sub 300?  You can argue exclusives, but hardware the XB1 is pretty bad and will be even worse when low level API's are standard on PC. 

[Sauron]

What GPU are you working with?

 

R9 290, once I test it further I'll post a thread about how it's doing by itself and by comparison how an emulated 7950 (underclocked r9 290) would do at 4k. "poor man's 4k" ^^

[patrickjp93]

R9 290, once I test it further I'll post a thread about how it's doing by itself and by comparison how an emulated 7950 (underclocked r9 290) would do at 4k. "poor man's 4k" ^^

At high-ultra 4K? I don't quite believe you...

[Sauron]

At high-ultra 4K? I don't quite believe you...

 

I just ran a quick benchmark, actually the average is 56 fps, but I could probably fix that with just one setting.

 

The settings that I lowered were aa, ambient occlusion and post-processing, all of which are pretty much unnecessary at 4k.

 

Per Scene Stats:               Scene Duration (seconds), Average FPS, Min FPS, Max FPS, Scene Name     32.58, 50.28, 26.96, 191.10, Welcome Center         21.89, 57.00, 30.45, 442.72, Town Center           7.59, 56.92, 37.45, 84.28, Raffle             9.62, 70.82, 41.32, 185.50, Monument Island           81.82, 56.24, 26.96, 442.72, Overall                            

[deathjester]

At high-ultra 4K? I don't quite believe you...

 

Why wouldn't you? If you look at AMD's official website the tflops that match up with the Xbox One SEMI-custom (not custom) 7000 series GPU is a 7770. 1.31 tflops isn't hard to quadruple on a single card and those cards may be sub 300 soon. Any game the Xbox One can run at 1080p could be run by a single card at 4 k if the settings are the same (and the consoles lie about the settings being "high" across the board). Quadrupling the PS4 on a single gpu harder. It is 1.81 TFLOPS if I remember right. In between a aftermarket stock 7790/7850 on tflops. Either card could surpass it on a desktop OC. 

 

The CPU's are 1.6 and 1.7ghz mobile AMD chips. Even with a low level API, the things are so bad games like MMO's run poorly on them. Sony is taking forever to get Planetside 2 up and running. ESO was delayed and prob would have run like crap. Who knows if it will ever come out. The game was just bad.

 

The second DX 12 is standard or new OpenGL or whatever wins, these things are 1.6-1.7ghz AMD PC's with a 7770/7790 in them. Anyone touting the hardware in them or the value should pretty much be laughed at. The hardware value is plummeting as we speak. It was bad before the GTX 970's price point. Now it is downright laughable, and with the incoming price drops, it will be more laughable.

[oldaccount117]

Isnt the new conoles like 8times more powerful then the last? Can someone here take off their master pc race t-shirt and explain why cant the games run @ 1080p

[IdortMasterRace]

Good thing the game is fun as fuck then, isn't it.

[IdortMasterRace]

Isnt the new conoles like 8times more powerful then the last? Can someone here take off their master pc race t-shirt and explain why cant the games run @ 1080p

 

The PS4 is consistently at 1080p, unless the game is unoptimized and isn't made well (see: Watch Dogs). The PS4 is 8x better, yes. The Xbox isn't, the Xbox is significantly worse than the PS4's hardware, and no where near 8x better than last-gen.

 

Then again, the hardware is like, $350. Good luck trying to get a PC to outperform either Xbox One or PS4 for even $500.

[HippY]

Isnt the new conoles like 8times more powerful then the last? Can someone here take off their master pc race t-shirt and explain why cant the games run @ 1080p

The problem is that they underpowered those consoles

Whereas the Xbox 360 and PS3 was really powerful when they launched around the same price ( xbox 3 cores and 3.2 Ghz, when dual core meant high end and quad core enthusiast, PS3 with 8 cores, 7 active,1 safe) current consoles are not up for the current PC-s. And as PC gaming is getting more and more grip and we are getting better performance per dollar (For example you can build a awesome PC for 2x the price of xbox one that plays game at Ultra 1440p) the consoles getting obsolete quickly. 

 

So long story short they are weak. 

[deathjester]

Isnt the new conoles like 8times more powerful then the last? Can someone here take off their master pc race t-shirt and explain why cant the games run @ 1080p

 

The new consoles are PC's. I have already told you what the hardware is. The only advantage they have over PC's is a low level API that helps out the weak CPU. That will be rendered null and void when low level API's are standard on the PC and that is coming in the next couple years.

 

Also a low level API can only help so much. You are never going to get even stock I5 performance out of a 1.6-1.7ghz mobile AMD chip. Nowhere even close. It is enough not to bottleneck the GPU's they have, with console type games and that is about it.

 

As far as comparisons to last gen and this gen. Last gen was Power PC based (yes Cell was power pc based as well) and devs got to learn it better and push more out of it. That ain't happening this time around. AMD 7000 series cards are not new and neither is x86. Nintendo's Wii U is still Power PC. 

 

As far as resolution, resolution is not the only thing that matters on visual quality. You have filtering and Anti-Aliasing. So while the Xbox One barely runs a higher resolution in Titanfall than the 360, it is still more than just resolution that is improved. 

[deathjester]

The PS4 is consistently at 1080p, unless the game is unoptimized and isn't made well (see: Watch Dogs). The PS4 is 8x better, yes. The Xbox isn't, the Xbox is significantly worse than the PS4's hardware, and no where near 8x better than last-gen.

 

Then again, the hardware is like, $350. Good luck trying to get a PC to outperform either Xbox One or PS4 for even $500.

 

R9 270's will prob drop to like 130-140 soon...They blow the PS4 away.  Throw in a 30 dollar PSU a 30 dollar case and a duo core and a cheap z97 and you could do it easily. Hell at Black Friday you can build one hell of a machine. Last black Friday.

 

4770k 199. With MSI Z87 260 combined. Microcenter.

8 gig Ram 50 bucks newegg.

Case 50. Microcenter.

PSU 50 Microcenter.

HD 1TB 50 bucks. Open box. microcenter.

Evo 212 30 bucks.

Win 7 already had (as most people already have a key)

 

Now pair that with a GTX 970 that has 4 times the GPU power as a XB1...This 2 grand hyperbole BS needs to stop. You do not need anywhere close to a 4770k and a cheapo AMD or that Intel duo core will game fine. R9 270 slaughters the PS4 and is the same GPU family. Those things have been like 150 bucks. PC's from 2008 with a GPU from 2010 (mid range like a GTX 460) can outperform the Xbox One.  The PS4 will be beat with GPU's coming down, and just because it can come close to matching the initial value doesn't mean it can't be beat by 3x for a couple hundred of bucks more. Console value gets destroyed with a couple hundred dollars not thousands. Add to that the game prices are sillly compared to what we pay on cheapshark.com, and you are not adding in a monthly service to play online on the console.

 

​The comparison you are attempting is flawed. When you bring up the value of a consoles hardware, like I said before, you are making yourself look silly. Argue exclusives, because that is literally all you can argue. If those exclusives require Xbox Live etc, you better add that into the cost. 

[IdortMasterRace]

Throw in a 30 dollar PSU

 

lol

 

a 30 dollar case

 

lol

 

2 grand hyperbole BS needs to stop.

 

Who mentioned two grand?

 

R9 270's blow the PS4 away

 

Benchmarks?

[deathjester]

lol

 

 

lol

 

 

Who mentioned two grand?

 

 

Benchmarks?

 

pcpartpicker. You can often find high quality PSU's from Antec/Corsair that will run a R9 270. That GPU is like 2.6 TFLOPS.  PS4 is 1.81. Xbox One is 1.31. TFLOPS ARE the benchmark.

 

People exaggerate the PSU you need often. You don't need more then like a 50-60 dollar Corsair/Antec/EVGA or whatever the hell is on sale to run anything but a r9 290 on a OC. My Corsair 600w was 50 and it can run a 780ti... As far as 2 grand someone mentioned that for 4 k. That was on Nvidia  (r9 290 aftermarkets have been in the low 300's often lately) and that was before the new series. It isn't even applicable anymore. If you are talking about SLI, why...Are you really comparing 8x the GPU power of the XB1 to the XB1? 

 

An R9 270 and a 6300fx kick the crap out of the PS4 before low level API's. 

[kuddlesworth9419]

900p is at least better than 720 idk

Not if it was 60hz. 

[Stomplar]

I think 30fps is fine. Not sure what the big deal is

[DtrollMC]

I see Next Gen consoles coming sooner than previously thought.

[BallGum]

The monitor prices are what's holding the standard back from being mainstream.

Ah, I didn't think of it that way. Thanks.

[MEC-777]

900p at 30fps... Barf. 

[Toddwjp]

the funny thing is the art style of sunset overdrive appears to be the kind that benefits most from high resolutions and frame rates, like mirrors edge

[nokturrduk84]

I think 30fps is fine. Not sure what the big deal is

http://boallen.com/fps-compare.html

 

https://boallen.com/fps-compare-html5.html

[Stomplar]

http://boallen.com/fps-compare.html

 

https://boallen.com/fps-compare-html5.html

Thank you for the link. I know the differences between them. I just really dont think its that big of a deal. If the game is really fun, then 30fps is fine by me. 30fps will not make a game unplayable. Thats just non sense. There isn't much use complaining about it.

[nokturrduk84]

Thank you for the link. I know the differences between them. I just really dont think its that big of a deal. If the game is really fun, then 30fps is fine by me. 30fps will not make a game unplayable. Thats just non sense. There isn't much use complaining about it.

No problem. Yes, as I see for some people 30fps is normal, but for some it's unacceptable (including me).

[Misanthrope]

I honestly thought the exclusive was the stupid non Standard resolution

[ComradeHX]

ive just got destiny, i just hope that gets a patch soon for 60fps. otherwise i wont be very happy.

You can't patch a console to magically pump out twice the amount of frames. lol

 

R9 270's will prob drop to like 130-140 soon...They blow the PS4 away.

Overclocked R7 265 already blows PS4 away(and stock 270s).

R9 270's will prob drop to like 130-140 soon...They blow the PS4 away.  Throw in a 30 dollar PSU a 30 dollar case and a duo core and a cheap z97 and you could do it easily. Hell at Black Friday you can build one hell of a machine. Last black Friday.

 

4770k 199. With MSI Z87 260 combined. Microcenter.

8 gig Ram 50 bucks newegg.

Case 50. Microcenter.

PSU 50 Microcenter.

HD 1TB 50 bucks. Open box. microcenter.

Evo 212 30 bucks.

Win 7 already had (as most people already have a key)

 

Now pair that with a GTX 970 that has 4 times the GPU power as a XB1...This 2 grand hyperbole BS needs to stop. You do not need anywhere close to a 4770k and a cheapo AMD or that Intel duo core will game fine. R9 270 slaughters the PS4 and is the same GPU family. Those things have been like 150 bucks. PC's from 2008 with a GPU from 2010 (mid range like a GTX 460) can outperform the Xbox One.  The PS4 will be beat with GPU's coming down, and just because it can come close to matching the initial value doesn't mean it can't be beat by 3x for a couple hundred of bucks more. Console value gets destroyed with a couple hundred dollars not thousands. Add to that the game prices are sillly compared to what we pay on cheapshark.com, and you are not adding in a monthly service to play online on the console.

 

​The comparison you are attempting is flawed. When you bring up the value of a consoles hardware, like I said before, you are making yourself look silly. Argue exclusives, because that is literally all you can argue. If those exclusives require Xbox Live etc, you better add that into the cost.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/build-budget-gaming-pc,3943-14.html

There is already something like this.

[Stomplar]

No problem. Yes, as I see for some people 30fps is normal, but for some it's unacceptable (including me).

Maybe you can help me understand. Is 30fps unplayable for you or is it just unacceptable because your standards are asking for 60fps?