Why isn't there a section for MAC?

[rashdanml]

I see people say this all the time and they neglect to ever name any

Thinkpad. 

 

I've named them as an excellent alternative numerous times in the Mobile section. 

 

 

Fair, but that's equal pricing, which is by no means a strike against apple, if anything it proves that they're priced fairly. I'm ignoring the (5400 rpm) HDD rather than an SSD as well

 

Not equal pricing. A refurb laptop is automatically discounted. Meaning it was originally more expensive. 

[Norman_the_Owl]

Thinkpad. 

 

I've named them as an excellent alternative numerous times in the Mobile section. 

 

 

 

Not equal pricing. A refurb laptop is automatically discounted. Meaning it was originally more expensive. 

It was originally more expensive, because it was more cutting edge at the time.

[elecxonica]

I see people say this all the time and they neglect to ever name any

Aorus X7. It costs more here in Australia, but it has twice the RAM, more storage and Dual better GPUs. And, if you're a windows user, it includes a copy of windows, something that isn't brought up much in the 'macs are better PCs then PC' style arguments.

 

Edit: I found a more similar version to the High end MacBook Pro. It costs less.

[rashdanml]

Here's another: http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/lenovo/y-series/y40/?sb=:000001C9:00011F8A:

[Guest]

There is reason to like a mac - they have very nice build quality and very high ease of use, while their OS is not for me I have suggested them to specific people many times... a macbook pro retina dual booting windows and linux would be my favorite laptop... blind hatred of mac doesn't help anything

Same goes for consoles...

 

as many people forget

[Ursad0n]

Thinkpad. 

 

I've named them as an excellent alternative numerous times in the Mobile section. 

 

 

 

Not equal pricing. A refurb laptop is automatically discounted. Meaning it was originally more expensive. 

Thinkpad, either not as portable, or 4GB of ram. I'm talking spec for spec BETTER QUALITY, because everyone's argument is that macs are stupid over priced. Really if we're going by all the anti apple circlejerkers I want to see a laptop with the same specs and build quality that blows apple out of the water by their claims.

 

And I'm pretty sure his was referb too. Though it would be nice if you actually gave a solid well reasoned argument instead of your CLEAR bias. You're just saying words, your argument is flawed and you have no justifications for what you say

[IdeaStormer]

There is no Windows nor Linux section, so quit your whining, you're not getting a Mac BS forum section so give it up.

[Ursad0n]

Aorus X7. It costs more here in Australia, but it has twice the RAM, more storage and Dual better GPUs. And, if you're a windows user, it includes a copy of windows, something that isn't brought up much in the 'macs are better PCs then PC' style arguments.

 

Edit: I found a more similar version to the High end MacBook Pro. It costs less.

To be clear I'm not arguing that Mac is better than PC, I'm arguing that all the completely misguided blind apple hate is just that. Poorly reasoned, blind hatred with no VALID claims to back it up.

 

Also that's a gaming laptop, Macbook Pros aren't made for gaming, they're not intended to have dual graphics cards. And you just listed a $2.300 laptop. The Air starts at $899, and for students the pro retina starts at $1.199

[spwath]

I think there would be to many haters.

[rashdanml]

Thinkpad, either not as portable, or 4GB of ram. I'm talking spec for spec BETTER QUALITY, because everyone's argument is that macs are stupid over priced. Really if we're going by all the anti apple circlejerkers I want to see a laptop with the same specs and build quality that blows apple out of the water by their claims.

 

And I'm pretty sure his was referb too. Though it would be nice if you actually gave a solid well reasoned argument instead of your CLEAR bias. You're just saying words, your argument is flawed and you have no justifications for what you say

Comparing Thinkpads to Macbook Pro, spec for spec, Thinkpads are just as solidly built, if not better, at a lower price. Macbook air isn't in the same class of device as a Thinkpad. There's a reason why Thinkpads are used in space and other rugged environments. 

 

If you think Thinkpads are "not as portable", you have no idea what you're talking about. 

 

The people who are deluding themselves into thinking Apple is the god of build quality are just as clearly biased as open Apple haters. 

[Ursad0n]

Comparing Thinkpads to Macbook Pro, spec for spec, Thinkpads are just as solidly built, if not better, at a lower price. Macbook air isn't in the same class of device as a Thinkpad. There's a reason why Thinkpads are used in space and other rugged environments. 

 

If you think Thinkpads are "not as portable", you have no idea what you're talking about. 

 

The people who are deluding themselves into thinking Apple is the god of build quality are just as clearly biased as open Apple haters. 

I'm not going to bother talking to you anymore because you clearly don't read my posts. I EXPLICITLY stated that I don't think apple is the best thing on the planet, but you clearly think they're shit and you have no real proof to back it up, you've neglected to provide a solid argument against it and instead you're blindly fanboying windows machines. 

 

For example in what way is "There's a reason why Thinkpads are used in space" a well reasoned argument for why thinkpads are better for the everyday student or professional? You're not arguing with me you're arguing complete nonsense.

 

What proof do you have that "Thinkpads are just as solidly built, if not better" other than what you say which if your posts have proved anything has no merit.

[Guest]

The forum isn't unfairly biased. You could go on a mac forum as a PC user and everyone would think you're horrible for not using a mac. If you go on a PC forum, most people will be pc users/elitists.

May I quote

*ahem*

"Though, it's based off people who love building PCs from scratch, so it makes sense"

[rashdanml]

I'm not going to bother talking to you anymore because you clearly don't read my posts. I EXPLICITLY stated that I don't think apple is the best thing on the planet, but you clearly think they're shit and you have no real proof to back it up, you've neglected to provide a solid argument against it and instead you're blindly fanboying windows machines. 

 

For example in what way is "There's a reason why Thinkpads are used in space" a well reasoned argument for why thinkpads are better for the everyday student or professional? You're not arguing with me you're arguing complete nonsense.

 

What proof do you have that "Thinkpads are just as solidly built, if not better" other than what you say which if your posts have proved anything has no merit.

1) Not in recent posts, but fine.

2) Way to do the exact thing you accuse me of doing. I've already explicitly stated in previous posts, which you quoted directly, that I think Apple products are actually well made, and provided an example of one that's better. There's PLENTY of evidence of Thinkpads being better with a quick Google search, especially if you know the rigorous testing procedure that Lenovo uses (no other laptop manufacturer does the same level of testing). 

3) Thinkpads being used in space shows how versatile and reliable they are. In space, there are no service calls. The system has to keep working without maintenance. You're saying that won't benefit the average student or professional? Fine. 

 

http://www.lenovo.com/news/us/en/2009/02/rugged_computing.html

 

A video showing the procedure being done:

 

Plus countless anecdotal evidence. The entire business and professional community (the real laptop power users) swear by Thinkpads. 

http://www.ebay.com/gds/Why-I-Like-Thinkpads-Best-/10000000001889378/g.html

 

Another video of their Thinkcentre being tested the same way as their Thinkpad line: 

 

More on their testing methodology: 

http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2012-11-26/news/35364792_1_thinkpads-mount-everest-laptops

 

You wanted evidence, you got it.

 

I dare you to tell me again that I'm "blindly fanboying Windows machines" when I'm actually not an advocate of Windows at all. 

[Boink]

The biggest reason there isn't a Mac thread is because it will inevitably end up with people arguing about the pros and cons of Macs vs PCs. That said, I feel the need to add my $0.02 to the whole Mac vs PC thing that's going on here. Yes I am part of the problem but at least I recognize that fact.

 

Apple makes beautiful machines. Just look at any Apple computer and tell me they do not look aesthetically pleasing. (You would be lying) On top of that, they make very high quality and easy to use software programs like Final Cut Pro X and Garageband. Perhaps their software is not perfect for professionals, but it is great for people who want an intermediate step between the crappy or hard to use freeware out there and professional grade software that costs upwards of $1000. 

 

That said, the bulk of the debate between Macs and PCs is about the performance/price ratio, the actual hardware under the hood, or their lack of support for games; so follow very closely when I say(write) the following: MACS ARE NOT INTENDED FOR GAMING! They have never been designed as such and have never been advertised as such. The parts under the hood are designed for things like video and photo editing and a very smooth user experience, things that don't require a high end gaming GPU but do require high speed RAM, a powerful processor and more workstation grade GPUs (something many Macs have). And while the price/performance ratio is rather biased towards price, particularly on their lower end machines, higher end machines such as the Mac Pro and higher spec laptops only give Apple ~$200 of profit margin for the parts themselves. 

 

I won't lie, their philosophy does have flaws. Cooling is never given a priority in their machines. My iMac (yes, I own an iMac, sue me) idles at 45-50 degrees Celsius and will thermal throttle under full load if I don't keep my room adequately cooled. The same applies to many Apple laptops as Apple insists on making their machines look like they don't use cooling at all and usually uses a small heatsink, a single fan, and restrictive vents to keep their systems cooled. Their OS is rather locked down which may not appeal to PC enthusiasts like us (yes I get pissed about it too) but that isn't their target audience. They target people who don't care about a locked down OS and just want a simple and intuitive user experience, something that most users like over Windows' occasionally finicky operation.

 

Just accept that much like Apple computers aren't for many of us, there are other who's usage styles and preferences are a perfect match for a Mac. And there are others, like myself, that use both systems and have our gripes with both equally. Macs, just like PCs, are not for everyone, and that's okay.

[Kherm]

There is reason to like a mac - they have very nice build quality and very high ease of use, while their OS is not for me I have suggested them to specific people many times... a macbook pro retina dual booting windows and linux would be my favorite laptop... blind hatred of mac doesn't help anything

I read that at first without looking at who posted it, an when I looked back I realized it was Slick. I thought it was just an average poster 

[Valentyn]

Macs are Personal Computers so they simply do not need their own sub forum.

[Sousuke]

There is reason to like a mac - they have very nice build quality and very high ease of use, while their OS is not for me I have suggested them to specific people many times... a macbook pro retina dual booting windows and linux would be my favorite laptop... blind hatred of mac doesn't help anything

 

I agree with this statement, blind hatred of something is one reason why I avoided tech forums but luckily this forum has allot of people who aren't blind.

 

Personally I think that there is no better OS than Mac OS X, Its strong Unix underpinning, strong developer community and stability makes the extra money for a Mac worth it.

 

I still think Linux and Windows has its place, infact I'd hate to see either of them disappear, Linux has compatibility with older hardware leasing new life into them and Windows is a powerhouse for gaming. (I'm talking about general consumers not enterprise/business use)

 

Now a Mac Section would be nice but it can fit into existing sections as Macs are PCs simple as that, they run different software yes but hardware ... no.