[rant]This youtube panhandlers deserve a second thread: Begging for Patreon money for MOD VIDEOS

[Misanthrope]

So yeah, this is happening:
 
http://www.patreon.com/brodual
 
http://www.patreon.com/mmoxreview
 
So yeah, this people are actually running patreon accounts for their youtube channels where all of their content is video highlights off mods. No they don't actually code anything themselves, they don't actually make a single mod themselves, they just take completely free mods on the Skyrim Nexus (mostly) that people put dozens and even hundreds of hours into and donate them and make em available for free because they love the game, and this person actually want people to pay THEM a monthly subscription to support their efforts. Forget let's players, that's not even sick enough. And not even the joke games like Goat Simulator are this fucking evil as they at least deliver a joke.

And that's not even the worst part, check this shit out for their top reward:
 

Pledge $30.00 or more per month
We'll create a video of your mod, or a mod of your choosing, on our second channel BDMods. (These videos do not contain commentary)

That's right they're not only not sharing a single penny with the people who actually put some REAL effort into making the mods, they want to charge them, the top level reward, to make a feature video for their mod.

This should be outright illegal, somebody needs to take a sledge hammer to the patreon data center and destroy the entire thing, just evacuate the building and burn it to the ground. I hope youtube and all other video hosting services ban these abusing patreon and if I ever met any of them I wouldn't hesitate to break a beer bottle on their faces.

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[TheSLSAMG]

Guess what? If someone wants to pay for something, it's their choice. Let people be stupid, you can't fix them.

[Enderman]

Please tone down the swearing. So much of it is unnecessary...

 

Also is this what you think of all the LPers and gamers that make a living off playing games? Not everyone has a million subscribers and stable youtube income, so they need to use donor support for income assistance.

Maybe you're just jealous...

Nobody is asking you to donate to them. If other people want to just leave them alone.

[NInety]

$50 a month.

You get to touch my butt one time every month.

People would probably actually pay for that.

[Misanthrope]

$50 a month.

You get to touch my butt one time every month.

People would probably actually pay for that.

That's actually not unlike subscribing to some porn services if you think about it

[elecxonica]

Well, at least they haven't made it that you have to subscribe for half of there content unlike some pateron users. But, I think the $30 pledge is even worse.

 

"on our second channel BDMods" Really? The mod devs have to pay money for the creators to show of there content and they can't even put the effort of talking about or uploading to there main channel? 

[Deus Ragno]

You are overreacting quite a bit. There are many worse things in the world than Patreon. I don't intend on giving them any money, but I don't care if they ask for it in the first place. Because it is always your choice to contribute or not.

[Misanthrope]

Please tone down the swearing. So much of it is unnecessary...

 

Also is this what you think of all the LPers and gamers that make a living off playing games? Not everyone has a million subscribers and stable youtube income, so they need to use donor support for income assistance.

Maybe you're just jealous...

Nobody is asking you to donate to them. If other people want to just leave them alone.

I did put the [rant] tag and made it off topic for a reason.

In any case, I do not think the same about Let's Players, simply because as I mentioned the companies making the games are getting publicity out of it and that translates in a direct benefit for them: game sales. The same goes for unboxers: While I wouldn't exactly call them "professional" or particularly worthy of very high levels of patreon contributions, at least they base their videos on products people can buy, giving the manufacturers some free (or in some cases sponsored) publicity.

But this is a new low, to me this is not different than me making a video on youtube saying "There's a lot of great people doing volunteer work for worthy causes, I'm gonna bring you small docs on their hard work, I won't contribute a single penny or work at all for their causes but I will require my Patreon money in order to keep bringing you this videos about this wonderful people I don't mind exploiting because well, quite honestly because, that's why"

[Misanthrope]

You are overreacting quite a bit. There are many worse things in the world than Patreon. I don't intend on giving them any money, but I don't care if they ask for it in the first place. Because it is always your choice to contribute or not.

Have you ever tried to make a mod for a game? You go ahead and try and tell me if it's alright by you that somebody else that's not even the game developer gets to make money off it and you get a big hot steaming pile of dog shit for your time.

Yes I know there's likely worst things on patreon right now, No I don't want examples that would just piss me the fuck off even more. I wrote about this because I saw them.

[elecxonica]

I did put the [rant] tag and made it off topic for a reason.

In any case, I do not think the same about Let's Players, simply because as I mentioned the companies making the games are getting publicity out of it and that translates in a direct benefit for them: game sales. The same goes for unboxers: While I wouldn't exactly call them "professional" or particularly worthy of very high levels of patreon contributions, at least they base their videos on products people can buy, giving the manufacturers some free (or in some cases sponsored) publicity.

But this is a new low, to me this is not different than me making a video on youtube saying "There's a lot of great people doing volunteer work for worthy causes, I'm gonna bring you small docs on their hard work, I won't contribute a single penny or work at all for their causes but I will require my Patreon fucking money in order to keep bringing you this videos about this wonderful people I don't mind exploiting because well, quite honestly because fuck you, that's why"

Well, in regards to let's players, they're making money off of the game dev's content, and especially if it's a story driven game people aren't really going to buy it then, not much better then making mod videos.

[Misanthrope]

Well, in regards to let's players, they're making money off of the game dev's content, and especially if it's a story driven game people aren't really going to buy it then, not much better then making mod videos.

Sure but here's another point: If you're a game dev and you sell your content, you can (if you choose to) take the same position as Nintendo and drop DMCA takedown notices or even take away their ad sense revenue, since selling game involves legally registering it, having a company, paying taxes and having a lot more legal standing to actually pursue legal action if you think it's unfair. Now mind you, I don't think it is unfair since it is free publicity but if you're an actual dev like I said, you can actually raise a stink if you want.

Modders however, are people like you and me that just want to improve their gaming experience and share it with others, they are already at the mercy of whatever the game devs decide when they decide it and they can at any moment decide "We don't want mods for our games" and just like that they're gone or become a lot harder to publish. So they really can't object and because of the grey area nature of they work they are exposed to this type of abuse. That doesn't fucking means that we should denounce it. In fact I think I might write a letter to Zenimax and Bethesda requesting that they please shut down the Patreon campaigns and/or flag the videos as DMCA takedown notices.

[AlexGoesHigh]

the first one i have no fucking idea how they manage their content so i wont talk about it (though their last tier is bs), now the second, i have been subbed to him for well over a year, he promotes the creators mod very well and AFAIK modders doesn't have any problem with (expect the nexus owner, due to some TOS violation that had nothing to do with his channel) in fact some have come to him and he feature them with zero strings attached, also the patreon campaign for him was a last resort thing since he needs money in order to pay private university (more details as to why in the video) but in a nutshell it was either, quit youtube all together suddenly and disappoint his half million subs or make a patreon campaign, it was literally a case of being cornered against the sword and the wall (not to that same extent ofc) he chosed the later and i can see that, also to leave out of the way, i haven't donate to his campaign nor do i want to, but i have no problems at all with him doing it, whatever reason can be to be against it

[Misanthrope]

the first one i have no fucking idea how they manage their content so i wont talk about it (though their last tier is bs), now the second, i have been subbed to him for well over a year, he promotes the creators mod very well and AFAIK modders doesn't have any problem with

That's different than acting like a whiny douchebag saying "Oh I don't have enough money for school but fuck getting a real job, you guys should pay me to hear me shit on a lot of moders, throw endless sexists jokes and make shitty videos!" Like I commented to him directly: you're fucking doing NOTHING you're just taking modders work they give away for free.

They might want exposure but why should modders keep working endlessly on their hobby to support a random fucking asshat that got a bit popular on youtube and wants to exploit people?

[AlexGoesHigh]

That's different than acting like a whiny douchebag saying "Oh I don't have enough money for school but fuck getting a real job, you guys should pay me to hear me shit on a lot of moders, throw endless sexists jokes and make shitty videos!" Like I commented to him directly: you're fucking doing NOTHING you're just taking modders work they give away for free.

They might want exposure but why should modders keep working endlessly on their hobby to support a random fucking asshat that got a bit popular on youtube and wants to exploit people?

fair enough, i tried to explain his situation but if that your opinion about it, so be it also by the number of money he needs i don't think youtube is the only source of revenue and yes parents are out of the question about money

[Misanthrope]

fair enough, i tried to explain his situation but if that your opinion about it, so be it also by the number of money he needs i don't think youtube is the only source of revenue and yes parents are out of the question about money

To be fair to you, I don't really like the fact that young people have to pay for their education in several parts of the world. I know it's partially because it's so focused on private but also cultural differences (There's not as much social pressure for people to just leave their families and become immediately independent here for example) but as unfair as the situation he's in might be, there's no reason to actually go out of your way to be even more unfair yourself to shamelessly attempt to make money on the backs of people who selflessly decide to contribute their mods for free for all to enjoy.

At least acknowledge them with a small percentage of the earnings, send some donations to cover the expenses of some mod hosting sites, I don't know something to acknowledge that you'd be nothing without modders.

[AlexGoesHigh]

To be fair to you, I don't really like the fact that young people have to pay for their education in several parts of the world. I know it's partially because it's so focused on private but also cultural differences (There's not as much social pressure for people to just leave their families and become immediately independent here for example) but as unfair as the situation he's in might be, there's no reason to actually go out of your way to be even more unfair yourself to shamelessly attempt to make money on the backs of people who selflessly decide to contribute their mods for free for all to enjoy.

At least acknowledge them with a small percentage of the earnings, send some donations to cover the expenses of some mod hosting sites, I don't know something to acknowledge that you'd be nothing without modders.

i agreed with this, but i assume he (and everyone else) think that having the exposure in his videos is enough and tbh looking at it from the surface it does since you might boosted the mod downloads, but that actually just scratching the surface, you already know the complication of making mods so yeah it would be better if he compensated the modders work

[Deus Ragno]

Have you ever tried to make a mod for a game? You go ahead and try and tell me if it's alright by you that somebody else that's not even the game developer gets to make money off it and you get a big hot steaming pile of dog shit for your time.

Yes I know there's likely worst things on patreon right now, No I don't want examples that would just piss me the fuck off even more. I wrote about this because I saw them.

They were already doing that by putting ads on their videos. It's not as explicit as just outright asking for money, but it serves the same purpose. It all really comes down to if you believe their time, effort, opinions and personality compensate for talking over content that isn't owned by them. And if you decide what they are doing is wrong you also have to keep in mind that that same criteria will include many more people than just them. Like every partnered game, movie and tv show reviewer and let's player. If so, that's your prerogative. But not everyone agrees. Or cares.

[Misanthrope]

Well a couple of things:

 

1) I don't actually know which channels are partnered because I adblock, which makes a strong case to actually stop using adblock to see who is monetizing when imho shouldn't be.

 

2) I think I already made clear my position regarding how let's plays are not the same as mods

 

3) Fair enough on the agreement part, I don't need most people to agree or care, sort of why I marked it clearly as a ranty rant.