What is next-gen?

[Tthecreator]

So what is next-gen? or better to say what are next-gen consoles. alot of peaple would say: "these are the xbox one and ps4" but would you call it next gen?

 

I had this idea for this topic a few days ago and when linus en luc made a video relevant to it i decided to make this topic.

 

So in the video they get about the performance of a xbxo and ps4 with a gtx 480???!!!!!!

Then if you would give someone who knows stuff about hardware a 480 they would say it's old and not even that good. it's LOW-END.

a 480 has been aviable for that community for century's and century's and century's. then why would the put technology in consoles relavent to old, low-end stuff and then call it next-gen?

does it makes sense????...kind of.

if you compare hardware it's not next gen at all.

I does make a little bit of sense why they call it like that as it is just a part of a marketing strategy, to make the consoles get a better name.

But the problem is that now the question is:"what is next-gen"

 

If they would only tell the truth they would call it "NEXT-GEN low-end stuff"

 

Then the biggest problem are these money things going on to make the pc version kind of relevant to low-end stuff and make the the next-gen low end consoles relatively and higher end next gen.

so is wich console-company has the most money the "next-gen"?

is that already happening....defenetly, look at w_d.

 

 

So now let me know what you think about what next-gen is and how consoles and/or pc's are a part of it.

 

 

Tthecreator

[MatazaNZ]

Honestly, when I hear "next gen" I think of the next generation of something. Whether it's good or bad, it's still a new generation of products

[coen113]

the 480 isnt a low end card, by any stretch of the imagination

[Linus_torvalds]

XBOX one and PC4 are not next gens!!!!

 

you think that in 2014 720p-900p-at 30 FPS is next gen?  limited visuals in console games is next gen? fuck this shit.

 

I wish there were not consoles. In ideal world there must be Steam OS "consoles" and there must be 2 mainc gaming platformes for PC Windows and LINUX  

that's it. there would be peace in the world:)

[ShadowCaptain]

What?

 

Next Gen does not mean "high end" It means, a new generation, somebody saying "next generation" does not mean "most powerful thing ever"

 

Sure the consoles are nowhere near as good as PC... we all know that for a fact, even most console players do!! But seriously the XBONE and PS4 are still miles ahead of the last gen ps3 and 360. Side by side its night and day difference. And they will still be playing the latest AAA games (sure lower quality but still playable and fun)

 

You can really only build a mid/low spec PC for the price of the consoles, and while they might do a slightly better job, its not like you are getting a titan black PC for the same price as a cheap console (especially true here in the UK where pc hardware is super expensive)

 

PC does not have Next Gen in such a broad term but each component has "generations" so you could say a 780 is a next gen 680. They are like mini generations. But that is really because so many people make parts. Where the consoles are just one big part.

[SeriouslyMikey]

Eh, I don't see the new consoles as "next-gen" in terms of technology, like the manufacturers would lead people to believe. But "next-gen" in terms of the console market and only that, yeah. They are a huge step up over the past consoles. Even though it is still slightly laughable that they aren't hitting 60FPS. 

[Manny Calavera]

next gen term is only used because consoles, that is a fact

 

only consoles have generations and hold back advancement, especially xbone and ps4

 

next generation of gaming will be when we either:

 

-move away from polygons ( soon )

-get much more cpu and gpu horsepower when we move away from silicon ( years away )

 

Oh and VR is obvously next gen, or we are allready in VR gen considering you can allready buy oculus dev kit etc... and play vr games

[MatazaNZ]

What? Next Gen does not mean "high end" It means, a new generation, somebody saying "next generation" does not mean "most powerful thing ever" Sure the consoles are nowhere near as good as PC... we all know that for a fact, even most console players do!! But seriously the XBONE and PS4 are still miles ahead of the last gen ps3 and 360. Side by side its night and day difference. And they will still be playing the latest AAA games (sure lower quality but still playable and fun) You can really only build a mid/low spec PC for the price of the consoles, and while they might do a slightly better job, its not like you are getting a titan black PC for the same price as a cheap console (especially true here in the UK where pc hardware is super expensive) PC does not have Next Gen in such a broad term but each component has "generations" so you could say a 780 is a next gen 680. They are like mini generations. But that is really because so many people make parts. Where the consoles are just one big part.

My thoughts exactly

[juretrn]

Next gen is a marketing term. There is nothing different about the current consoles. What is true, however, they are much better than the previous generation of consoles.

[D4RK]

1- Microsoft and Sony have 5-7 years between the release of each refresh generation to the consoles, with that long time they should introduce products that are far far ahead from their previous predecessor in both the software and the hardware.

 

2- console =/= same specs pc. when you buy pc part that are equal in performance to the current generation of consoles you would end up paying a price not too far from what the consoles cost, but each part of the pc has to be compatible with many other parts and has to have universal connectors which limits the design and adds cost to the parts, while in the console you can do a simple design that wont have to be compatible with anything else and it will be way cheaper.

[Cryptonite]

the 480 isnt a low end card, by any stretch of the imagination

in terms of performance compared to graphics cards today it's actually mid range at best.

 

What?

 

Next Gen does not mean "high end" It means, a new generation, somebody saying "next generation" does not mean "most powerful thing ever"

 

Sure the consoles are nowhere near as good as PC... we all know that for a fact, even most console players do!! But seriously the XBONE and PS4 are still miles ahead of the last gen ps3 and 360. Side by side its night and day difference. And they will still be playing the latest AAA games (sure lower quality but still playable and fun)

 

You can really only build a mid/low spec PC for the price of the consoles, and while they might do a slightly better job, its not like you are getting a titan black PC for the same price as a cheap console (especially true here in the UK where pc hardware is super expensive)

 

PC does not have Next Gen in such a broad term but each component has "generations" so you could say a 780 is a next gen 680. They are like mini generations. But that is really because so many people make parts. Where the consoles are just one big part.

I wouldn't say the majority of console users since that is an exaggeration most console players don't care enough about tech. of all the console gamers I know, there are only two who actually understand that computers have better horsepower under the hood.

 

also talking about building pc's for the price of consoles... the ps 4 is more expensive than a pc capable of running high - max settings (AA turned off) at 30 - 60 fps 1080p. So it's true that you don't get a titan experience but then again a titan is overkill. The fact remains that bang for your buck wise consoles don't make sense. especially since the games are so much more expensive. The only thing consoles have going for them is that Technology is not and never will be everyone's interest so an ease of use gaming machine without any hassle of setting up anything complicated. The average Joe has always been the major target for consoles. (ask your local jock that plays some games whether he owns a console or computer for gaming those that do game will most likely say console)  

[ShadowCaptain]

in terms of performance compared to graphics cards today it's actually mid range at best.

 

I wouldn't say the majority of console users since that is an exaggeration most console players don't care enough about tech. of all the console gamers I know, there are only two who actually understand that computers have better horsepower under the hood.

 

also talking about building pc's for the price of consoles... the ps 4 is more expensive than a pc capable of running high - max settings (AA turned off) at 30 - 60 fps 1080p. So it's true that you don't get a titan experience but then again a titan is overkill. The fact remains that bang for your buck wise consoles don't make sense. especially since the games are so much more expensive. The only thing consoles have going for them is that Technology is not and never will be everyone's interest so an ease of use gaming machine without any hassle of setting up anything complicated. The average Joe has always been the major target for consoles. (ask your local jock that plays some games whether he owns a console or computer for gaming those that do game will most likely say console)  

 

 

I was just making a point with the titan, I was over exaggerating just a little bit

 

Yeah they don't understand tech, the reason they pick consoles is the "pick up and play" concept. Most console gamers I know think that PCs are way to complicated for them, even if they are better, they don't want the faff of building and maintaining one. Which is fair enough. Consoles are much simpler in this respect

 

In my opinion bang for buck the consoles are not that bad, even Linus said the PS4 is a really good value piece of kit. Sure you can build a pc that might match or beat the performance but its not exactly the greatest PC experience. At that level I would probably be a console gamer myself tbh, PC is only really better when you push for ultra graphics, high resolution, surround etc etc

 

If given the choice between a PS4 and A pc of the same price, I personally would probably choose console. BUT since I can afford and own a 4770k 780ti equipped PC, I can honestly say that I have no need for the consoles other than the few exclusives I am interested in

 

BUT that is beside the point, as far as the word "next gen goes" i stand by what I said. Next Gen does not equal "best gaming device". It just means "this is better than last years model" which is 100% true with the ps4 and xbox one.

 

PC does not have a gen overall as each component is separate and has its own generational upgrades

[Cryptonite]

I was just making a point with the titan, I was over exaggerating just a little bit

 

Yeah they don't understand tech, the reason they pick consoles is the "pick up and play" concept. Most console gamers I know think that PCs are way to complicated for them, even if they are better, they don't want the faff of building and maintaining one. Which is fair enough. Consoles are much simpler in this respect

 

In my opinion bang for buck the consoles are not that bad, even Linus said the PS4 is a really good value piece of kit. Sure you can build a pc that might match or beat the performance but its not exactly the greatest PC experience. At that level I would probably be a console gamer myself tbh, PC is only really better when you push for ultra graphics, high resolution, surround etc etc

 

If given the choice between a PS4 and A pc of the same price, I personally would probably choose console. BUT since I can afford and own a 4770k 780ti equipped PC, I can honestly say that I have no need for the consoles other than the few exclusives I am interested in

 

BUT that is beside the point, as far as the word "next gen goes" i stand by what I said. Next Gen does not equal "best gaming device". It just means "this is better than last years model" which is 100% true with the ps4 and xbox one.

 

PC does not have a gen overall as each component is separate and has its own generational upgrades

Choosing a ps 4 is not where you get ripped off, it's the game prices that are horrific. But I guess people don't really care. Also having internet just for a console is expensive since what you can do with it is a lot more limited and internet is hella expensive in certain areas. These are things that people with low budgets have to keep in consideration.  I would also prefer a pc for the simple fact that I can do more with it and it could be a means of income or at least knowledge. Steam sales are also a major plus when it comes to income. In all fairness the only thing consoles have going for them at all are exclusives, portability as well as ease of use. Nothing more.

 

I agree that next gen simply implies that it is the newer generation of said product, however I have to agree with people that say that Next Gen is a marketing gimmick, otherwise this "argument" (well people lately take this word too harshly, however we are debating) wouldn't have even started and no misunderstandings would occur. 

 

P.S: if stating that they might already have a general computer for everyday tasks so internet wouldn't just be used for the console, I'd counter that in the argument of bang for buck with the fact that they then could have just bought a dedicated GPU instead for a load cheaper. (and depending on the current rig, upgrade some other parts as well)

[Tthecreator]

if i'm right:

so what some of you think is that next-gen is just a next generation of a sertain product-line, in this case the consoles.

Also some of you think console games are expensive

most of you think consoles are plug and play

some of you think a xBONE and ps4 are about a mid-low range pc.

some of you think that consoles are mostly for peaple who don't know that much about hardware and stuff. and most pc-gamers do

 

 

Thank you everything that was on your mind about this topic, the above is just parts taken out of answers take out and should not be taken to serious as some parts may not be completely true.

console/pc is still a preference and i will stay properbly stay like that.

[ShadowCaptain]

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Agree with those points, console games can be expensive on launch, insanely so. also paying for online services is a total rip

 

That last point is something I have said to many people, they are like "well my ps3 was £300, and your pc was £800" and its like, oh whats that, your £500 office pc? and your £300 ps3? well... isnt that £800? for that money they have a substandard pc and a substandard gaming device, instead of one device that does both things better since a high end gaming pc is still a better pc for normal tasks and better for gaming too

[Swndlr]

pc is next gen. xbox and ps4 try and do what we have been able to do for years already. #pcmasterrace

[MEC-777]

There are several things going on here. There is nothing wrong with the PS4 and XBone, the devices themselves. They are what they are - gaming consoles. The problem is the people behind them, the marketing morons. What they've done is try to make this latest generation consoles about the graphics (resolution and frame rates) and they have stupidly targeted to compete against PC gaming - a HUGE mistake. There's nothing wrong with competing against each other (console vs. console), but don't target bleeding edge hardware with budget hardware. 

 

The PS4 and XBone have made it about the graphics and not about the games. This is where I think Nintendo has it right and why they continue to thrive and don't receive anywhere near the amount of hate as the other two from the PC gaming community. Nintendo has always been about the games and the experience. They know they can't compete with PC and they don't try to make the most powerful consoles - graphics wise - because they know that's not what makes for a great gaming experience, ultimately. But get this, the Wii U actually has MORE games running at 1080p and 60fps than PS4 and XBone combined!!! Yeah, Nintendo games have a more simple art work, but IMO their games are more fun and because they run smoother, provide and overall better experience.

 

Anyways, about the whole "next-gen" thing, IMO it's a marketing thing. Plays on the consumer, psychologically. There's nothing "next-gen" about the latest consoles. They are just simply the newest versions. Everyone has their own ideas of what next-gen means, so it's difficult to say ultimately what is "next-gen". But I will say this; If it's on the market and on sale right now, then it's NOT next-gen. It's current-gen.

[geforceftw]

Whenever someone says "next gen" I think of ps5 or Xbox two ( or whatever they call it) xbone/ps4/wiki u are current Gen 360/ps3 are last Gen.

[coen113]

in terms of performance compared to graphics cards today it's actually mid range at best.

 

I wouldn't say the majority of console users since that is an exaggeration most console players don't care enough about tech. of all the console gamers I know, there are only two who actually understand that computers have better horsepower under the hood.

 

also talking about building pc's for the price of consoles... the ps 4 is more expensive than a pc capable of running high - max settings (AA turned off) at 30 - 60 fps 1080p. So it's true that you don't get a titan experience but then again a titan is overkill. The fact remains that bang for your buck wise consoles don't make sense. especially since the games are so much more expensive. The only thing consoles have going for them is that Technology is not and never will be everyone's interest so an ease of use gaming machine without any hassle of setting up anything complicated. The average Joe has always been the major target for consoles. (ask your local jock that plays some games whether he owns a console or computer for gaming those that do game will most likely say console)  

it was high end when released

[Tthecreator]

true, like a gtx 780 is going to be in 10 years(or maybe earlier, stil have to see how technology progresses)

[Mooshi]

The next generation of products..there is no magic answer, it's the literal definition. People get caught up and abuse the term when in reality, next gen for a PC component vs next gen of consoles are two entirely different things all together. The only reason the "console vs PC war" even exists is that people are so dense and treat both as being one and the same.

[JustTooDank]

Xbox One and PS4 are current gen, not next gen. They were next gen before they were released. Next gen simply means the next generation of a given line of products. It has nothing to do with comparisons to other products, or how advanced it is.