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will installing push pull config on my front mounted radiator make my case airflow better?

aren332

I have an arctic liquid freezer ii 280 mounted in the front of my case (2x arctic p14 fans, intake fans)

 

I recently built my friend a pc and in exchange he gave me 3x140mm montech fans that came with his case (he put rgb ones instead)

 

Anyways, will there be increased airflow in my whole case mounting 2 of those fans on my rad to make it push pull?

I have a 120mm back exhaust and 2 120mm top exhaust, the rad serves as intake

 

I physically held the fans in place and the cpu temp difference was like 2 degrees and noise wasn't a problem at all

 

My gpu is  a open air gpu

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7 minutes ago, aren332 said:

I have an arctic liquid freezer ii 280 mounted in the front of my case (2x arctic p14 fans, intake fans)

 

I recently built my friend a pc and in exchange he gave me 3x140mm montech fans that came with his case (he put rgb ones instead)

 

Anyways, will there be increased airflow in my whole case mounting 2 of those fans on my rad to make it push pull?

I have a 120mm back exhaust and 2 120mm top exhaust, the rad serves as intake

 

I physically held the fans in place and the cpu temp difference was like 2 degrees and noise wasn't a problem at all

 

My gpu is  a open air gpu

Not really, while you'll move more air it won't be so much as to be really impactful.  Push pull is only needed for the thickest rads.  There isn't much impedence with a normal AIO.

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21 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

Not really, while you'll move more air it won't be so much as to be really impactful.  Push pull is only needed for the thickest rads.  There isn't much impedence with a normal AIO.

im asking if it affects airflow, not cpu temps

 

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6 minutes ago, aren332 said:

im asking if it affects airflow, not cpu temps

 

Right, that is what I answered.  You won't benefit from push pull, as a normal rad won't impede the airflow much.

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43 minutes ago, aren332 said:

Anyways, will there be increased airflow in my whole case mounting 2 of those fans on my rad to make it push pull?

No in this case it would be worse as those montech fans are a decent bit worse than the p14's. Basically impeding airflow instead of making it better

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51 minutes ago, aren332 said:

I have an arctic liquid freezer ii 280 mounted in the front of my case (2x arctic p14 fans, intake fans)

 

I recently built my friend a pc and in exchange he gave me 3x140mm montech fans that came with his case (he put rgb ones instead)

 

Anyways, will there be increased airflow in my whole case mounting 2 of those fans on my rad to make it push pull?

I have a 120mm back exhaust and 2 120mm top exhaust, the rad serves as intake

 

I physically held the fans in place and the cpu temp difference was like 2 degrees and noise wasn't a problem at all

 

My gpu is  a open air gpu

It won't hurt to try, but I'd suggest you also try reversing their positions. By this I mean if the P12s are on the inside pulling, swap them with the Montechs so they're pushing. 

 

You'll probably do better by getting 6 identical fans, though, that are more powerful that either of those... or even just 3 really strong ones. 

 

Where is the rad located? Is side mounting an option?

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33 minutes ago, aren332 said:

im asking if it affects airflow, not cpu temps

 

If temps aren't affected then any difference in airflow is negligible.

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if this is anything to go by, i would say it make abit of diffrence. 

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in GNs testing of the EK AIO with 6 fans vs 3 we can see that 6 push "so much more" air tru the rad that they can slack in speed. 

 

i know this answer more interms of cpu temps and not overall airflow in case, but its definitely a indicator that 6 does make more air rush tru 

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Yes, it will help with airflow in a traditional front to back design. But you would have to run the pull fans at full speed all the time.

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43 minutes ago, freeagent said:

Yes, it will help with airflow in a traditional front to back design. But you would have to run the pull fans at full speed all the time.

Why?

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4 hours ago, NorKris said:

if this is anything to go by, i would say it make abit of diffrence. 

image.thumb.png.bce0becfea831ca3f896a5dabaf8ed0e.png

in GNs testing of the EK AIO with 6 fans vs 3 we can see that 6 push "so much more" air tru the rad that they can slack in speed. 

 

i know this answer more interms of cpu temps and not overall airflow in case, but its definitely a indicator that 6 does make more air rush tru 

ya but sound gos up, cost gos up, uses more power all for like 2c... its not worth it like ever. only if you have no space to add more rads. the cost to buy another rad would get way more temp drop for your money even if you add $5 fans on it.

 

its looks cool thow🤷‍♂️

 

thing to note is ek fans cost like $25+ each so thats like $75 in fans...

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5 hours ago, thrasher_565 said:

its not worth it like ever.

super disagree on this one 😛 

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9 hours ago, RevGAM said:

Why?

To move air through the case..
 

Seriously disappointed with the reply’s from people in this thread. Like wow.

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9 minutes ago, freeagent said:

To move air through the case..
 

Seriously disappointed with the reply’s from people in this thread. Like wow.

Why? cuz what u said does not make any sense? 😛 

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1 hour ago, NorKris said:

Why? cuz what u said does not make any sense? 😛 

What doesn’t make sense? 3 fans pushing on a rad is not enough to cool the top half of your system with the rad in the front position. If it is cool enough for you then I pity your system 😄

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26 minutes ago, freeagent said:

What doesn’t make sense? 3 fans pushing on a rad is not enough to cool the top half of your system with the rad in the front position. 

im sry wuuut?

the important part is cooled by the rad, and the mosfets and stuff in dark red is cooled by top fans and back fan.

this is ABC 

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25 minutes ago, NorKris said:

im sry wuuut?

Again, quit cherry picking.

 

54 minutes ago, freeagent said:

3 fans pushing on a rad is not enough to cool the top half of your system with the rad in the front position.

 

26 minutes ago, NorKris said:

stuff in dark red is cooled by top fans and back fan.

 

This is assuming you have top fans.

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14 minutes ago, freeagent said:

Again, quit cherry picking.

 

 

This is assuming you have top fans.

im not, and most ppl do. 

15 minutes ago, freeagent said:

3 fans pushing on a rad is not enough to cool the top half of your system with the rad in the front position.

#misinformation

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29 minutes ago, freeagent said:

 

 

This is assuming you have top fans.

OP has top fans...

 

I have a 120mm back exhaust and 2 120mm top exhaust, the rad serves as intake.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

OP has top fans...

 

I have a 120mm back exhaust and 2 120mm top exhaust, the rad serves as intake.

 

 

I somehow missed that part, or maybe I was arguing for push/pull making a difference both in CPU  and system temps.

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7 hours ago, NorKris said:

super disagree on this one 😛 

if we are not tell them what is best for the moeny the why not tell them to go balls deep then. spend $500 on an aio for that 1c drop. $50 a fan. $300 case. and walyes buy the striks kuz its the best right. gota use kpx too...

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33 minutes ago, thrasher_565 said:

if we are not tell them what is best for the moeny the why not tell them to go balls deep then. spend $500 on an aio for that 1c drop. $50 a fan. $300 case. and walyes buy the striks kuz its the best right. gota use kpx too...

ur trying to argue that buying the AIO  u and i would recomend,  arctic freezer 3, 240 or 360.  thats 119$.
then u need 2 or 3 p12 max for 15$ each..

 

worth if ur trying to push ur cpu?  hell yeah 

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23 hours ago, aren332 said:

I have an arctic liquid freezer ii 280 mounted in the front of my case (2x arctic p14 fans, intake fans)

 

I recently built my friend a pc and in exchange he gave me 3x140mm montech fans that came with his case (he put rgb ones instead)

 

Anyways, will there be increased airflow in my whole case mounting 2 of those fans on my rad to make it push pull?

I have a 120mm back exhaust and 2 120mm top exhaust, the rad serves as intake

 

I physically held the fans in place and the cpu temp difference was like 2 degrees and noise wasn't a problem at all

 

My gpu is  a open air gpu

Here's the STS video.

 

And, fwiw, when I put the Super Flower Megacool fans, which HW Busters tested as one of the best (although the T30 is better, but it uses a physical speed switch whereas the MC has a remote control instead, which is so much easier to use), I discovered that it didn't much help my TR Frozen Notte 360, which I assume is because of how powerful the pump is at 100%.

8 hours ago, freeagent said:

To move air through the case..
 

Seriously disappointed with the reply’s from people in this thread. Like wow.

Yeah, sorry I should have been more specific Mr Grumpy.  I was asking why the pull fans would need to be at full speed all the time. 

 

It isn't that simple, though, if you have mismatched fans. 

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1 hour ago, RevGAM said:

It isn't that simple, though, if you have mismatched fans. 

Sure I guess.. I only had 3 different models on my rad. 

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10 hours ago, NorKris said:

ur trying to argue that buying the AIO  u and i would recomend,  arctic freezer 3, 240 or 360.  thats 119$.
then u need 2 or 3 p12 max for 15$ each..

 

worth if ur trying to push ur cpu?  hell yeah 

im arguing that you dont need push pull ever...

people that dont care about cost go for it. who cares. i dont need 8x 560 in my pc but i can...dose not mean i tell them they need 10 3000 rpm fans in there system...

 

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