Need help picking a processor to pair with a 4070

[EMUMSC]

Budget (including currency): 615,000 LKR

Country: Srilanka

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Video editing, Rendering, and multitasking these. ex: After effects, Premier pro etc

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

 

I believe that I have made 2 possible quotations with my budget, but I'm contemplating whether to go with more Vram since the memory bus is small and whether it will have any impact on raw performance. and I tried to get a 4070 but it's way above our budget. 

any help is appreciated and thanks in advance!

[will0hlep]

An AIO on this build isn't worth it. Get a 2 tower air cooler, like a thermaltake peerless assassin or phantom spirit.

 

Also, the 990 is a quality drive, but it is a poor value for money. Look at cheaper options.

 

3rd, avoid RGB ram and avoid buying 2 seperate sticks, get a cheaper kit that is atleast (2x16GB) 6000Mhz and CL36.

 

Also, the motherboard seems a little expensive, look for cheaper well reviewed options that have the features you want

 

Then try to fit a 4070 into the budget.

[191x7]

3 hours ago, EMUMSC said:

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This is the answer you are looking for:

 

[TatamiMatt]

5 minutes ago, 191x7 said:

This is the answer you are looking for:

For productivity not gaming though?

[BahnStormer]

RAM is the standout problem! That is a single stick of slow clock speed, appalling latency RAM: Try to find 2x16Gb DDR5 ideally 6000MT/sec CL30 for AM5. Even if you have to compromise on latency - which isn't as much of an issue for non-gaming use, but try to get the 6000 speed and then 2 sticks with 32Gb or more is really important for video editing too.

 

Motherboard seems steep - Asrock B650 RS Pro is about half that price normally! Sheck your local B650 boards, sort by price and see if any of the cheaper ones are well reviewed on one of the Hardware Unboxed B650 roundup reports (on YouTube).

Hot climate + heavy CPU+GPU rendering, I'd consider an AIO as it allows you to separate the CPU cooling from the GPU; so you can cool the CPU on the intake rather than using the hot air coming out the back of the GPU (painful personal experience of this).... that said, the 360 is crazy overkill.... the AF iii 280 provides almost the same peak cooling, just less heat-soak capacity or the AF ii 280 that I have is apparently good for everything up to the LGA1700 i7/i9 CPU's (i.e. any AM5 CPU).

 

The 16Gb of VRAM on the 4060Ti will be partly nerfed due to the comically small memory bus, but at least it will be there.

 

Alternatives: I assume with those apps you need CUDA (nVidia) support, so the Radeons with more VRAM won't appeal.... I'll let a video-editing specialist confirm if it is better to get a 4060Ti or something like a 2nd hand RTX3080 12Gb (384bit vs 128bit memory bus)... and that should be WELL within that LKR260500 (USD 800?!?) budget.... might even consider a 3080Ti (also 12Gb) or RTX3090 with 24Gb VRAM (if that will help with the software you're using).

 

Any of those would give you 3x the texture fill and between 50% and 100% more processing capacity (depending if the code leverages the newer architecture).

 

Downside is double the TDP / heat output.

 

https://versus.com/en/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-4060-ti-gaming-oc-8gb-vs-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-12gb

[brob]

5 hours ago, EMUMSC said:

Budget (including currency): 615,000 LKR

Country: Srilanka

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Video editing, Rendering, and multitasking these. ex: After effects, Premier pro etc

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

 

I believe that I have made 2 possible quotations with my budget, but I'm contemplating whether to go with more Vram since the memory bus is small and whether it will have any impact on raw performance. and I tried to get a 4070 but it's way above our budget. 

any help is appreciated and thanks in advance!

 

 

Intel CPU tend to offer better performance for this use case.

 

[EMUMSC]

On 3/5/2024 at 10:32 AM, will0hlep said:

An AIO on this build isn't worth it. Get a 2 tower air cooler, like a thermaltake peerless assassin or phantom spirit.

 

Also, the 990 is a quality drive, but it is a poor value for money. Look at cheaper options.

 

3rd, avoid RGB ram and avoid buying 2 seperate sticks, get a cheaper kit that is atleast (2x16GB) 6000Mhz and CL36.

 

Also, the motherboard seems a little expensive, look for cheaper well reviewed options that have the features you want

 

Then try to fit a 4070 into the budget.

I totally agree, but we live in a warm country and the computer would be used outdoors, so that is why we went a little overboard with cooling

 

On 3/5/2024 at 1:31 PM, BahnStormer said:

RAM is the standout problem! That is a single stick of slow clock speed, appalling latency RAM: Try to find 2x16Gb DDR5 ideally 6000MT/sec CL30 for AM5. Even if you have to compromise on latency - which isn't as much of an issue for non-gaming use, but try to get the 6000 speed and then 2 sticks with 32Gb or more is really important for video editing too.

 

Motherboard seems steep - Asrock B650 RS Pro is about half that price normally! Sheck your local B650 boards, sort by price and see if any of the cheaper ones are well reviewed on one of the Hardware Unboxed B650 roundup reports (on YouTube).

Hot climate + heavy CPU+GPU rendering, I'd consider an AIO as it allows you to separate the CPU cooling from the GPU; so you can cool the CPU on the intake rather than using the hot air coming out the back of the GPU (painful personal experience of this).... that said, the 360 is crazy overkill.... the AF iii 280 provides almost the same peak cooling, just less heat-soak capacity or the AF ii 280 that I have is apparently good for everything up to the LGA1700 i7/i9 CPU's (i.e. any AM5 CPU).

 

The 16Gb of VRAM on the 4060Ti will be partly nerfed due to the comically small memory bus, but at least it will be there.

 

Alternatives: I assume with those apps you need CUDA (nVidia) support, so the Radeons with more VRAM won't appeal.... I'll let a video-editing specialist confirm if it is better to get a 4060Ti or something like a 2nd hand RTX3080 12Gb (384bit vs 128bit memory bus)... and that should be WELL within that LKR260500 (USD 800?!?) budget.... might even consider a 3080Ti (also 12Gb) or RTX3090 with 24Gb VRAM (if that will help with the software you're using).

 

Any of those would give you 3x the texture fill and between 50% and 100% more processing capacity (depending if the code leverages the newer architecture).

 

Downside is double the TDP / heat output.

 

https://versus.com/en/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-4060-ti-gaming-oc-8gb-vs-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-12gb

well we are using 2 sticks of 16GB ddr5 memory on our system

The problem is that our country is facing heavy tax burdens and the extreme demand and low supply have skyrocketed the price to an extreme high. and we are really finding it hard to get hold of 3080s and even 4070s.

 

 

 

On 3/5/2024 at 4:03 PM, brob said:

 

Intel CPU tend to offer better performance for this use case.

 

I did check on that, but z790 motherboards are almost twice the price if a b650.

Any thoughts on an Intel core I5 14600 and a B760? or should i stick with my original combo, a R9 7700X and a B650

[EMUMSC]

UPDATE

 

we decided to extend our budget to around 680k. and this is our current quotation

 

we are still deciding on whether i should go for an Intel core I5 14600 and a B760? or should i stick with my original combo, a R9 7700X and a B650?

 

[will0hlep]

54 minutes ago, EMUMSC said:

I totally agree, but we live in a warm country and the computer would be used outdoors, so that is why we went a little overboard with cooling

Even in a hot climate a 360mm AIO is overkill imo. I'd personnally still get a tower cooler, but if your heart is set on an AIO, I'd recommend you drop to a 240mm and save a kittle money.

 

50 minutes ago, EMUMSC said:

What is the latency of the RAM? Is it CL36? CL40? CL30?

 

Also, the NV2 should be avoided. Those drives are made from a lucky dip parts bin. What other options are available to you in terms of SSDs?

[venomtail]

1 hour ago, EMUMSC said:

UPDATE

 

we decided to extend our budget to around 680k. and this is our current quotation

 

we are still deciding on whether i should go for an Intel core I5 14600 and a B760? or should i stick with my original combo, a R9 7700X and a B650?

 

RAM is slow. Target 5600-6000MHz CL28-30.

[brob]

5 hours ago, EMUMSC said:

I did check on that, but z790 motherboards are almost twice the price if a b650.

Any thoughts on an Intel core I5 14600 and a B760? or should i stick with my original combo, a R9 7700X and a B650

 

Ideally an i7-14700 on a B760 motherboard for content creation. The i5-14600 is not generally available, I believe it is an OEM part. But one could go with an i5-14600K or i5-14500 on a B760 motherboard.

 

See https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/14th-gen-intel-core-processors-content-creation-review/ for relevant benchmarks.

 

Edited March 8 by brob
Typos on CPU models.

[EMUMSC]

On 3/8/2024 at 1:04 PM, will0hlep said:

Even in a hot climate a 360mm AIO is overkill imo. I'd personnally still get a tower cooler, but if your heart is set on an AIO, I'd recommend you drop to a 240mm and save a kittle money.

 

What is the latency of the RAM? Is it CL36? CL40? CL30?

 

Also, the NV2 should be avoided. Those drives are made from a lucky dip parts bin. What other options are available to you in terms of SSDs?

the ram latency is C40. there is a 5600 c36 2x16 kit for 11000 rs extra. is it worth the price jump? 

 

On 3/8/2024 at 1:04 PM, will0hlep said:

Even in a hot climate a 360mm AIO is overkill imo. I'd personnally still get a tower cooler, but if your heart is set on an AIO, I'd recommend you drop to a 240mm and save a kittle money.

 

What is the latency of the RAM? Is it CL36? CL40? CL30?

 

Also, the NV2 should be avoided. Those drives are made from a lucky dip parts bin. What other options are available to you in terms of SSDs?

as i said lock stockage has us choosing between the kingston and a 990EVO which is too overkill for us

 

On 3/8/2024 at 3:03 PM, brob said:

 

Ideally an i7-14700 on a B760 motherboard for content creation. The i5-14600 is not generally available, I believe it is an OEM part. But one could go with an i5-12600K or i5-12500 on a B760 motherboard.

 

See https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/14th-gen-intel-core-processors-content-creation-review/ for relevant benchmarks.

 

 

On 3/8/2024 at 12:11 PM, EMUMSC said:

UPDATE

 

we decided to extend our budget to around 680k. and this is our current quotation

 

we are still deciding on whether i should go for an Intel core I5 14600 and a B760? or should i stick with my original combo, a R9 7700X and a B650?

 

sorry, its an I5 14600K. since i am looking towards content creation many people suggested going with an INted. so just wanted to check on this. and i have no past experience with B660 and b760 mbds. so is it worth the switch?

[will0hlep]

5 minutes ago, EMUMSC said:

as i said lock stockage has us choosing between the kingston and a 990EVO which is too overkill for us

Given that an SSD upgrade would be a very simple operation, would you consider buying it seperately and installing it yourself? That would allow you to get better value SSD than a 990, without having to choose an unreiable NV2.

 

7 minutes ago, EMUMSC said:

the ram latency is C40. there is a 5600 c36 2x16 kit for 11000 rs extra. is it worth the price jump? 

So you'd effectively be paying $169 for 32GB of 5600Mhz CL36. That seems like a complete rip off. Given that installing RAM is also very easy, and you'll almost certainly be able to find better value kits, I'd again suggest buying that seperately.

[EMUMSC]

1 minute ago, will0hlep said:

Given that an SSD upgrade would be a very simple operation, would you consider buying it seperately and installing it yourself? That would allow you to get better value SSD than a 990, without having to choose an unreiable NV2.

 

So you'd effectively be paying $169 for 32GB of 5600Mhz CL36. That seems like a complete rip off. Given that installing RAM is also very easy, and you'll almost certainly be able to find better value kits, I'd again suggest buying that seperately.

well we are kind of in a rush and so we need to manage with any locally available stocks. its crazy spending almost 900usd for a rtx 4070, but thats the reality. :')

[brob]

6 minutes ago, EMUMSC said:

 

sorry, its an I5 14600K. since i am looking towards content creation many people suggested going with an INted. so just wanted to check on this. and i have no past experience with B660 and b760 mbds. so is it worth the switch?

 

Check the link in my last post. If the principal use is Adobe content creation products an i5-14600K generally outperforms the 7700X.

 

[EMUMSC]

5 minutes ago, brob said:

 

Check the link in my last post. If the principal use is Adobe content creation products an i5-14600K generally outperforms the 7700X.

 

yeah we do heavily rely on adobe programs. so ig the i5-14600k is the best bet. any thoughts regarding the Motherboard for the card?.

 

[brob]

6 minutes ago, EMUMSC said:

yeah we do heavily rely on adobe programs. so ig the i5-14600k is the best bet. any thoughts regarding the Motherboard for the card?.

 

 

The MSI B760M-A WiFi DDR5 would be a good choice.

[EMUMSC]

20 hours ago, brob said:

 

Check the link in my last post. If the principal use is Adobe content creation products an i5-14600K generally outperforms the 7700X.

 

I also found a I5-14400F for around LKR 80,000. Would this cause a bottleneck?

[brob]

41 minutes ago, EMUMSC said:

I also found a I5-14400F for around LKR 80,000. Would this cause a bottleneck?

 

The i5-14400F lacks an iGPU so Quick Sync would not be available for encoding acceleration. 

 

Are the i5-14600K and i5-14500 not competitively priced?

[EMUMSC]

Budget (including currency): 650,000 LKR

Country: Srilanka 

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Primary editing Rig for, using Adobe products

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

 

Building a new editing Rig, mainly focusing on Adobe applications like premiere pro and after effects. 

 

The rig has 32 GB of Ddr5 5600 memory, an 850w PSU 

 

The CPU options are either

 

AMD R7 7700X RS.110,000 or a R5 7600x Rs.80,000 with a B650 MBD

Or

Intel I5 14600K Rs,110,000 or an Intel I5 14400F Rs.80,000 with a B760 MBD

 

We are on a budget constraints, and or country as a whole is out of stock of brand new peripherals. so just wanna know how each processor pairs up to each other for our workload.

[Linuswasright]

14600kf would be best for editing stuff. More gaming would be r7 7700 or r5 7600 (no x, it costs too much for small performance gain)

 

Can we see the whole build?

[SONYSIKE]

Personally I wouldn't go for either the R5 7600X or i5 14400F as it is not recommended as a good pair in gaming on a bottleneck calculator. If the only options you have left are the R7 7700X or i5 14600K then I would go for the i5 14600K.

[Linuswasright]

31 minutes ago, SONYSIKE said:

Personally I wouldn't go for either the R5 7600X or i5 14400F as it is not recommended as a good pair in gaming on a bottleneck calculator. If the only options you have left are the R7 7700X or i5 14600K then I would go for the i5 14600K.

Bottleneck calculators don’t work. But you got to the right answer on accident. For gaming (generally) amd cooks intel, but for productivity intel’s ten brillion trillion million cores are better

[Why_Me]

37 minutes ago, SONYSIKE said:

Personally I wouldn't go for either the R5 7600X or i5 14400F as it is not recommended as a good pair in gaming on a bottleneck calculator. If the only options you have left are the R7 7700X or i5 14600K then I would go for the i5 14600K.

Those are worthless.

[SONYSIKE]

12 minutes ago, Linuswasright said:

Bottleneck calculators don’t work. But you got to the right answer on accident. For gaming (generally) amd cooks intel, but for productivity intel’s ten brillion trillion million cores are better

I got with bottleneck calculators for my first line of research, then I look at yt vids